EPTOn March 29 2012 03:20 FMStyles wrote:
I think the last picture shows Ace and not Hancock (Grandpa/Dad/Brother).
I think the last picture shows Ace and not Hancock (Grandpa/Dad/Brother).
Oh yeah you're right
but damn does it look the same to me
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
Oh yeah you're right but damn does it look the same to me | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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susiederkins
United States87 Posts
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On March 29 2012 03:53 susiederkins wrote: Come on, does anybody really think smoker is done? Not a chance in hell. He'll go logia, turn his heart into smoke, and be fine. Something like that. There's no way smoker gets ended here. i think law will give him his heart back, the heart still beats, ofc smoker still lives. but i dont think he will logia his way out, i think he rly lost the fight but will be forgiven^^ | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On March 29 2012 04:11 BlackMagister wrote: Yes he'll pull an Enel and replace his heart with a smoke heart to pump blood making it so he doesn't need a heart anymore! Genius! Thats sorta different. Enel was unconscious when he got his heart beating again. Even though Smoker's heart has been removed, he is still conscious. And even though his heart has been removed, its not like this is in itself a fatal wound like what would happen if you removed someone's heart normally. This is Law's Devil Fruit ability, it doesn't kill anyone or really cause any actual damage beyond the actual separation. For a normal person, this would put their lives in Law's hand, since he could crush their heart and kill them at his own convenience. But Logia users are able to turn their entire bodies into their element, so why should turning your heart into smoke be any different? People can still move their legs and arms, even after being separated by Law's Devil Fruit (meaning they are still able to move and feel), so why should Logia be unable to use their powers on parts that have been separated? | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On March 29 2012 09:52 Sentenal wrote: Thats sorta different. Enel was unconscious when he got his heart beating again. Even though Smoker's heart has been removed, he is still conscious. And even though his heart has been removed, its not like this is in itself a fatal wound like what would happen if you removed someone's heart normally. This is Law's Devil Fruit ability, it doesn't kill anyone or really cause any actual damage beyond the actual separation. For a normal person, this would put their lives in Law's hand, since he could crush their heart and kill them at his own convenience. But Logia users are able to turn their entire bodies into their element, so why should turning your heart into smoke be any different? People can still move their legs and arms, even after being separated by Law's Devil Fruit (meaning they are still able to move and feel), so why should Logia be unable to use their powers on parts that have been separated? if Law knows Haki then him holding the heart is enough to stop it from turning into smoke, if Smoker tries he jsut gripsdown and kills him right there | ||
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Sableyeah
Netherlands2119 Posts
On March 29 2012 02:21 Forikorder wrote: Laws at the level of a captain and Tashigi only needs to be at the level of a first mate also she lost because of eak haki but in a fight against swordsmen haki is less important Tbh, Zoro isn't much weaker than Luffy. Tashigi is still nowhere near Zoro as far as I can tell, but then again Law is awesome but I'm pretty sure Zoro can fight Law without having his heart taken out like Smokah. Unless Zoro haven't trained as hardcore as Luffy... Please note that (maybe you guys haven't noticed but) every single fight from the time after he got sliced by Hawkeye, he's been injured before he even starts the fight with his next opponent. He's never on 100%. | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On March 29 2012 09:52 Sentenal wrote: Thats sorta different. Enel was unconscious when he got his heart beating again. Even though Smoker's heart has been removed, he is still conscious. And even though his heart has been removed, its not like this is in itself a fatal wound like what would happen if you removed someone's heart normally. This is Law's Devil Fruit ability, it doesn't kill anyone or really cause any actual damage beyond the actual separation. For a normal person, this would put their lives in Law's hand, since he could crush their heart and kill them at his own convenience. But Logia users are able to turn their entire bodies into their element, so why should turning your heart into smoke be any different? People can still move their legs and arms, even after being separated by Law's Devil Fruit (meaning they are still able to move and feel), so why should Logia be unable to use their powers on parts that have been separated? His heart is in a box. While he could probably turn it into smoke (and it seems to already be part smoke) it wouldn't be able to go anywhere, and if Law does have Haki he should still be able to touch it. | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
If it weren't frozen he could turn his heart into smoke assuming he can control his heart without it being part of his body. The Samurai's body could fight without a head, but I don't know if that was instinct or if the head was actually controlling the body. | ||
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SvartSol
Sweden78 Posts
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On March 29 2012 09:56 Forikorder wrote: if Law knows Haki then him holding the heart is enough to stop it from turning into smoke, if Smoker tries he jsut gripsdown and kills him right there Since when does Haki stop logia users from being able to use their powers? Haki isn't Seastone. Haki lets you hit Logia users, but it doesn't turn their powers off either. Not to mention Haki vs Logia users isn't so simple after what we saw at Marineford, with people using Haki vs the Admirals. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On March 29 2012 10:00 killa_robot wrote: His heart is in a box. While he could probably turn it into smoke (and it seems to already be part smoke) it wouldn't be able to go anywhere, and if Law does have Haki he should still be able to touch it. it jsut looks like a box, Law took out a square chaped piece out of smoker with his heart in the center so its a box of smokers flesh | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2551 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i41.tinypic.com/2v30t9z.png) Did anyone else notice the three faces underneath luffy's? One is dragon and another is ace but who is the third? | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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TealLurker
United States791 Posts
On March 29 2012 12:08 Hyperbola wrote: Did anyone else notice the three faces underneath luffy's? One is dragon and another is ace but who is the third? Garp, Dragon, and Ace. I think it's Garp anyway. That is a really bad picture tbh. | ||
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merlin101
Switzerland194 Posts
So I think its not wrong to say Haki stops the effects of a Devil Fruit. But we don't know yet if there has to be direct contact with the fruit user to stop him. Like if Luffy gets hit by a haki user he can't take the hit with his rubber body and instead get demaged. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On March 29 2012 17:07 merlin101 wrote: Haki can solidify Logia-Users (Reylight vs Kizaru) and with Haki you can resist the effects of certain abilities (like Laws ability). So I think its not wrong to say Haki stops the effects of a Devil Fruit. But we don't know yet if there has to be direct contact with the fruit user to stop him. Like if Luffy gets hit by a haki user he can't take the hit with his rubber body and instead get demaged. Haki lets you hit them, but doesn't appear to actually nullify their power like what Seastone would do. Examples: Whitebeard stabs Aokiji with Haki, Aokiji can still use Ice Powers: http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v58/c567/7.html Marco and whats his name attack Akainu, slicing him up with Haki (from Akainu's own mouth), and Akainu still has his Lava powers: http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v58/c574/8.html So yes, you are able to hit them with Haki, but its also shown that they are still able to use their powers even during that. | ||
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valaki
Hungary2476 Posts
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On March 29 2012 18:38 Sentenal wrote: Haki lets you hit them, but doesn't appear to actually nullify their power like what Seastone would do. Examples: Whitebeard stabs Aokiji with Haki, Aokiji can still use Ice Powers: http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v58/c567/7.html Marco and whats his name attack Akainu, slicing him up with Haki (from Akainu's own mouth), and Akainu still has his Lava powers: http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v58/c574/8.html So yes, you are able to hit them with Haki, but its also shown that they are still able to use their powers even during that. Haki doesn´t nullify the logia-abilities themselves, but it evens the battlefield. With strong Haki you can both attack and defend against a Logia-user, removing the primary advantage of Logia fruits; their invulnerability to most types of attacks. Once the logia-user can be hurt, and his attacks can be blocked, the battle becomes about strength and skill, that´s why you can say that Haki nullify logia-powers. | ||
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