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On December 27 2020 17:36 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2020 16:44 Zambrah wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Is anyone else a little surprised at how strong Marco is? He was doing work against King AND Queen, that seems kind of insane i was more surprised by how pathetic the whole whitebeard crew was in marineford tbh. i mean it made sense to make them only as strong as they were at the time but in retrospect they should have stomped marineford. future showings of wb crew members including marco now is obviously doing them much more justice given their reputation. also as for story development 1000 didnt have much but i still got chills. satisfying chapter for me overall
because there were literally ~6 admirals. It's miraculous that WB pirates were able to get out. Akainu pretty much solo'd entire WB pirates + ivakov + crocodile + Jinbei AFTER getting punched by WB. Imagine Luffy being able to solo ENTIRE Big mom commanders after getting attacked by Big mom's strongest attack. This was only Akainu.. There were 5-6 equivalent characters capable of doing just that.. Notice how only 1 admiral was hurt and 5 other (garp, sengoku, kizaru, aokiji, and Mihawk) were barely fazed. Oda had to showcase WB pirates somehow without them getting pummeled. But who wants that in shonen story?
Btw, WB didn't really slap Akainu. Imagine if Akainu sneak attacked a meigu onto WB's head.. yep gg. Instead, our main villan was able to put 2 holes in the strongest man's body and came back to SOLO the entire WB pirates.. I thought it was pretty obvious that Oda purposely showed WB pirates losing horribly because they were simply out numbered. They needed ALL 3 other yonko to do a stale mate. Y'll seriously underestimating power of Garp and Sengoku. Garp was a beast back then and was likely the 2nd strongest during MF. Oda had to give WB glorious death so he just put Akainu out of picture to give WB glorious death.
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On December 28 2020 03:22 Shellshock wrote:
Yeah the whitebeard crew was waaaaaaay to weak at marineford. The commanders should have wiped the floor with anyone below admiral shichibukai included but they were nerfed for the sake of exposition
But one piece has also shifted power scaling around multiple times for the story so it won’t be the last time a change like this happens
Pretty funny you talk about that. Had Oda written this realistically. He would've had all 6 top tiers from marine side completely obliterate WB pirates in 20 minutes. You don't think Garp can solo WB and have the 3 Admirals completely stomp the remaining pirates? Mihawk and Seogoku are another icing on the cake.
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On December 28 2020 15:38 Shinokuki wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2020 17:36 evilfatsh1t wrote:On December 27 2020 16:44 Zambrah wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Is anyone else a little surprised at how strong Marco is? He was doing work against King AND Queen, that seems kind of insane i was more surprised by how pathetic the whole whitebeard crew was in marineford tbh. i mean it made sense to make them only as strong as they were at the time but in retrospect they should have stomped marineford. future showings of wb crew members including marco now is obviously doing them much more justice given their reputation. also as for story development 1000 didnt have much but i still got chills. satisfying chapter for me overall because there were literally ~6 admirals. It's miraculous that WB pirates were able to get out. Akainu pretty much solo'd entire WB pirates + ivakov + crocodile + Jinbei AFTER getting punched by WB. Imagine Luffy being able to solo ENTIRE Big mom commanders after getting attacked by Big mom's strongest attack. This was only Akainu.. There were 5-6 equivalent characters capable of doing just that.. Notice how only 1 admiral was hurt and 5 other (garp, sengoku, kizaru, aokiji, and Mihawk) were barely fazed. Oda had to showcase WB pirates somehow without them getting pummeled. But who wants that in shonen story? Btw, WB didn't really slap Akainu. Imagine if Akainu sneak attacked a meigu onto WB's head.. yep gg. Instead, our main villan was able to put 2 holes in the strongest man's body and came back to SOLO the entire WB pirates.. I thought it was pretty obvious that Oda purposely showed WB pirates losing horribly because they were simply out numbered. They needed ALL 3 other yonko to do a stale mate. Y'll seriously underestimating power of Garp and Sengoku. Garp was a beast back then and was likely the 2nd strongest during MF. Oda had to give WB glorious death so he just put Akainu out of picture to give WB glorious death.
I feel that Akainu soloing the WB pirates was what did them injustice. Like yes, I get that WB was nerfed to hell and back for the fight and that Akainu is one of the strongest marines alive, but if my memory is right f.e. Garp never really engaged and most of the marines' top tier either didn't actively participate or got out unscathed.
Considering that the WB pirates were the crew that clashed with Roger and therefore likely the strongest pirate crew alive it's pretty disappointing that they couldn't even take Akainu down. Like outside of Marco (and Ace naturally) I don't remember a single WB pirate doing anything and Marco's achievement was stalling Akainu for a bit.
If you take Luffy's crew f.e. Zorro probably isn't that far behind Luffy and Sanji and Jinbei are threats on their own. Similarly Katakuri for BMs crew is a significant threat who's probably close to Admiral or at least vice admiral level and there are a bunch of other headliners that can hold their own.
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On December 28 2020 15:38 Shinokuki wrote:
Imagine if Akainu sneak attacked a meigu onto WB's head.. yep gg. Instead, our main villan was able to put 2 holes in the strongest man's body
That's what the anime showed to censor it btw. In the manga, he did in fact burn off a pretty big chunk of Whitebeard's head.
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All those people saying this chapter was lame for being a ch 1000, lol. I thought it was absolutely gorgeous!
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The chapter was fine, but there was no big reveal. The big "reveal" set up by Ace and Yamamoto was Luffy saying he'd become the pirate king... which isn't anything new. Setting up the 5 supernova versus the 2 yonko was cool, but not really a reveal. Luffy has already punched Kaido before, so that's not exactly new either.
A lot of people were expecting some sort of major reveal. At a minimum, the official "Oda box" for Kaido with his fruit named was expected. Maybe something about what happened with Rocks or a big Yamamoto reveal. People definitely expected way too much, but it seemed like Oda was really trying to build to something special on chapter 1000 and we didn't get it.
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On December 28 2020 18:23 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2020 15:38 Shinokuki wrote:
Imagine if Akainu sneak attacked a meigu onto WB's head.. yep gg. Instead, our main villan was able to put 2 holes in the strongest man's body That's what the anime showed to censor it btw. In the manga, he did in fact burn off a pretty big chunk of Whitebeard's head.
Good thing you mention that. yeah he did. I was just emphasizing the fact that if Akainu Meigu'd WB from behind WB would just die... He has no brains. Akainu only meigu'd a portion of his head. Imagine Akainu Meiguing WB point blank. Akainu got quake fisted point blank from blood lusted WB and STILL was able to put a hole and a meigu onto WB.
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On December 28 2020 17:01 Archeon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2020 15:38 Shinokuki wrote:On December 27 2020 17:36 evilfatsh1t wrote:On December 27 2020 16:44 Zambrah wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Is anyone else a little surprised at how strong Marco is? He was doing work against King AND Queen, that seems kind of insane i was more surprised by how pathetic the whole whitebeard crew was in marineford tbh. i mean it made sense to make them only as strong as they were at the time but in retrospect they should have stomped marineford. future showings of wb crew members including marco now is obviously doing them much more justice given their reputation. also as for story development 1000 didnt have much but i still got chills. satisfying chapter for me overall because there were literally ~6 admirals. It's miraculous that WB pirates were able to get out. Akainu pretty much solo'd entire WB pirates + ivakov + crocodile + Jinbei AFTER getting punched by WB. Imagine Luffy being able to solo ENTIRE Big mom commanders after getting attacked by Big mom's strongest attack. This was only Akainu.. There were 5-6 equivalent characters capable of doing just that.. Notice how only 1 admiral was hurt and 5 other (garp, sengoku, kizaru, aokiji, and Mihawk) were barely fazed. Oda had to showcase WB pirates somehow without them getting pummeled. But who wants that in shonen story? Btw, WB didn't really slap Akainu. Imagine if Akainu sneak attacked a meigu onto WB's head.. yep gg. Instead, our main villan was able to put 2 holes in the strongest man's body and came back to SOLO the entire WB pirates.. I thought it was pretty obvious that Oda purposely showed WB pirates losing horribly because they were simply out numbered. They needed ALL 3 other yonko to do a stale mate. Y'll seriously underestimating power of Garp and Sengoku. Garp was a beast back then and was likely the 2nd strongest during MF. Oda had to give WB glorious death so he just put Akainu out of picture to give WB glorious death. I feel that Akainu soloing the WB pirates was what did them injustice. Like yes, I get that WB was nerfed to hell and back for the fight and that Akainu is one of the strongest marines alive, but if my memory is right f.e. Garp never really engaged and most of the marines' top tier either didn't actively participate or got out unscathed. Considering that the WB pirates were the crew that clashed with Roger and therefore likely the strongest pirate crew alive it's pretty disappointing that they couldn't even take Akainu down. Like outside of Marco (and Ace naturally) I don't remember a single WB pirate doing anything and Marco's achievement was stalling Akainu for a bit. If you take Luffy's crew f.e. Zorro probably isn't that far behind Luffy and Sanji and Jinbei are threats on their own. Similarly Katakuri for BMs crew is a significant threat who's probably close to Admiral or at least vice admiral level and there are a bunch of other headliners that can hold their own.
True that. We saw WB pirates clash equally with Roger pirates because another Yonko level was there (oden!). Oden vs Rayleigh & WB vs Gol D roger seemed pretty good match eh? However we talking about 6 admiral level fighters on that field. Only one was a tiny bit stronger than all of them which was WB. There is no way for them to give Marines a good fight. They were so outnumbered. It wasn't even funny. Also Katakuri would get bodied by an admiral. We already saw the gap between Admiral and everyone else in MF and Dressrosa. Didn't you see Fujitora lifting ENTIRE island's rubble (same feat Kaido is executing atm) and the possibility of destroying everyone in the process? I thought Oda highlighted that specifically to inform the viewers to not underestimate the power of admiral. Fujitora would reck Katakuri... lol
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This conversation about Marineford power levels is around a decade too late. What I'm more interested in is the endgame fight against Blackbeard. Hasn't the manga already set up that there are 10 captains in his crew? Somehow I'm quite convinced that Luffy's whole crew won't be directly fighting them.
Right now it's a bit difficult to see what's next after Wano. Shanks should be getting killed soon, it's so obvious he will not make it to the end. Wonder what the revolutionaries are up to as well.
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Something Shanks focused would make sense next, matched with more Revolutionary stuff, that way our last Yonkou would be End Boss Blackbeard and we could get some actual info about the revolutionaries, maybe a reveal of Dragon’s fruit...
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If D is for democracy and the godking at Reverie is the main antagonist politics-wise then what does Blackbeard symbolise in the context of our real world?
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On January 01 2021 09:05 PVJ wrote:
If D is for democracy and the godking at Reverie is the main antagonist politics-wise then what does Blackbeard symbolise in the context of our real world?
Marshall Donald Teach
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People like Napoleon (or arguably Cromwell/Robbespierre/Jaques Louis David, depending on where you stand on them) who are part of the revolution, but less because they share the revolution's ideals and more because they believe in the chances it offers to grasp for power?
Unlike Luffy who represents the hype of the revolution, the will for self-empowerment and the strong rejection of the corrupt old system Blackbeard seems to have no code of honor and used the old system to move closer to the top.
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There's no indication that D actually stands for anything in particular. It's probably just the will of Dave, bloke down the road.
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nah the D definitely stands for something. would be so not oda-like to have it mean nothing.
the 2 theories ive seen were dream and dawn
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I'm just assuming D stands for devil and is somehow related to devil fruits. The devil fruits and the lineage of D are somehow related to a race of people who were wiped out during the forbidden history.
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maybe the fruits contain their souls or something.
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Nah you're forgetting about the "lineage factor" that Vegapunk supposedly discovered. I think it's more of a bioweapon instead of something spiritual like a container for someone's soul.
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On January 03 2021 01:22 evilfatsh1t wrote:
nah the D definitely stands for something. would be so not oda-like to have it mean nothing.
the 2 theories ive seen were dream and dawn
The most oda-like would be for D to stand for oDa.
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