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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

If an episode or a chapter has already been officially released, then it is not necessary to post using spoilers.

If you have knowledge on a chapter that has not been officially released yet, do NOT post it in this thread. Ignoring this public note will result in a mod action.
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-22 20:29:55
December 22 2020 20:28 GMT
#31001
On December 23 2020 00:14 Zambrah wrote:
if Fish Fish fruit exist, can their users breathe underwater, or dare I say, SWIM?

I think they can breathe but I sure hope they can't swim. If they could, then they would have no weaknesses. Seastone wouldn't do anything either. It honestly makes no sense to have fish fruits in the first place. Not sure wtf Oda is doing adding them so late in the game.
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MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
December 22 2020 21:05 GMT
#31002
Maybe all the fish fruits are useless except for Kaido's.
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States924 Posts
December 22 2020 21:28 GMT
#31003
On December 23 2020 05:28 Hyperbola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2020 00:14 Zambrah wrote:
if Fish Fish fruit exist, can their users breathe underwater, or dare I say, SWIM?

I think they can breathe but I sure hope they can't swim. If they could, then they would have no weaknesses. Seastone wouldn't do anything either. It honestly makes no sense to have fish fruits in the first place. Not sure wtf Oda is doing adding them so late in the game.


No excuse really. He's pointlessly adding more complex elements to it again. It's his biggest downfall. Anything that crosses his mind he will put it into his story.
Life is just life
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8926 Posts
December 23 2020 03:58 GMT
#31004
On December 23 2020 06:28 Shinokuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2020 05:28 Hyperbola wrote:
On December 23 2020 00:14 Zambrah wrote:
if Fish Fish fruit exist, can their users breathe underwater, or dare I say, SWIM?

I think they can breathe but I sure hope they can't swim. If they could, then they would have no weaknesses. Seastone wouldn't do anything either. It honestly makes no sense to have fish fruits in the first place. Not sure wtf Oda is doing adding them so late in the game.


No excuse really. He's pointlessly adding more complex elements to it again. It's his biggest downfall. Anything that crosses his mind he will put it into his story.

thats pretty harsh criticism imo. a lot of seemingly mundane detail actually adds a lot of depth to the story and we have often seen very small things actually prove to be relevant over the long run.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
December 23 2020 05:00 GMT
#31005
I don't know if the type of devil fruit is adding any complexity but more flavor? Also saw some comments that it might be a reference to a JP folklore/myth thing. So that criticism seems weird? Unless the mechanics of the fruit change the previously established mechanics its not adding in "complex elements, its just a new devil fruit.
Never Knows Best.
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2554 Posts
December 23 2020 14:25 GMT
#31006
On December 23 2020 14:00 Slaughter wrote:
Unless the mechanics of the fruit change the previously established mechanics its not adding in "complex elements, its just a new devil fruit.

That's exactly what it does, though. It's been established that devil fruits are weak to water and seastone since it carries the essence of the sea. Even fishmen that ate devil fruits experienced this weakness and have to wear air bubbles. This has been the rule for the past 1000 chapters. If a fish fruit does any more than allowing a person to breathe under water, then it completely breaks the rules of the OP world and calls into question why fish fruits have not been mentioned a single time up until this point.
If it's limited to just breathing underwater then I don't have too much of a problem with it. An even better scenario would be that Kaido's fruit is the only fish fruit in existence - making it the only outlier of traditional DF rules.
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
December 23 2020 14:37 GMT
#31007
Tbh its most likely imo that a Fish Fish fruit would generally be shit, Id imagine itd prevent you from swimming, and have all of the normal downsides of Devil Fruits, but like, you couldn't generally transform on land cause breath water. Obviously thats not necessarily the case since Kaido clearly exists, but maybe Kaido is an exception and whatever baser models of Fish Fish fruit just kind of... make you useless in water and in fish-form make you useless on land? That'd be funny tbh, I think that'd be closer to how Oda would go than full on Fish Fish fruits are cheaty cheaty rules lawyer fruits that negate the downsides of devil fruits.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2057 Posts
December 25 2020 17:06 GMT
#31008
Seriously, when is the new chapter out? I need a chapter before 2021.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
December 25 2020 18:08 GMT
#31009
On December 26 2020 02:06 herMan wrote:
Seriously, when is the new chapter out? I need a chapter before 2021.

Later than normal because the official release is January but should still be in the next few days because spoilers are circulating.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
December 25 2020 23:13 GMT
#31010
Looked at the spoilers + Show Spoiler +
looked pretty tame for chapter 1000
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Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
December 26 2020 20:31 GMT
#31011
On December 23 2020 05:28 Hyperbola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2020 00:14 Zambrah wrote:
if Fish Fish fruit exist, can their users breathe underwater, or dare I say, SWIM?

I think they can breathe but I sure hope they can't swim. If they could, then they would have no weaknesses. Seastone wouldn't do anything either. It honestly makes no sense to have fish fruits in the first place. Not sure wtf Oda is doing adding them so late in the game.

Maybe. To me the tone Big Mom was talking about giving him the fruit was so grand that I'm thinking at least breathing underwater could be a feature. I mean, to me it would make sense because it would explain why Kaido didn't just drown himself in the midst of his suicide attempts.
Mine gas, build tanks.
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2554 Posts
December 27 2020 03:54 GMT
#31012
Chapter 1000 is out. Check reddit for a link.

+ Show Spoiler +
It seemed way too short and not really all that impressive. Then again, I think with all the hype surrounding the big number it would be impossible to live up to those expectations, unless Oda finally reveals something massive like Raftel, Vegapunk, or the Will of D
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LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4572 Posts
December 27 2020 03:55 GMT
#31013
1000th looks good to me

Luffy reaffirming his decision to become priate king in front of 2 emperors
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
December 27 2020 04:36 GMT
#31014
Now that is a Chapter 1000.

+ Show Spoiler +
I cried a lil when he was talking to Kinemon and then my heart burst from also bursting into tears when he KNOCKED KAIDO IN THE FUCKING FACE WITH GEAR THIRD RED ROCK SOOOOOOOOOOOON, SHITS GETTING REAAAAAAAL
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
December 27 2020 04:40 GMT
#31015
Chapter was much better than the spoilers implied
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
December 27 2020 07:44 GMT
#31016
+ Show Spoiler +
Is anyone else a little surprised at how strong Marco is? He was doing work against King AND Queen, that seems kind of insane
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8926 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-27 08:37:11
December 27 2020 08:36 GMT
#31017
On December 27 2020 16:44 Zambrah wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Is anyone else a little surprised at how strong Marco is? He was doing work against King AND Queen, that seems kind of insane

i was more surprised by how pathetic the whole whitebeard crew was in marineford tbh. i mean it made sense to make them only as strong as they were at the time but in retrospect they should have stomped marineford. future showings of wb crew members including marco now is obviously doing them much more justice given their reputation.
also as for story development 1000 didnt have much but i still got chills. satisfying chapter for me overall
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-27 18:25:52
December 27 2020 18:22 GMT
#31018
Yeah the whitebeard crew was waaaaaaay to weak at marineford. The commanders should have wiped the floor with anyone below admiral shichibukai included but they were nerfed for the sake of exposition

But one piece has also shifted power scaling around multiple times for the story so it won’t be the last time a change like this happens
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
December 27 2020 19:38 GMT
#31019
It might be an issue of power concentration? Marco was fighting admirals admirably (buh dum tss) they were down one high tier commander in Ace, there were other instances of commanders holding their own with absurd opponents like Mihawk, while power scaling back then surely was screwy, I think the Whitebeard Pirates did a pretty fair job given anyone below like, top 6 in a Yonkou crew starts dramatically scaling down in power.

I’ll also never forget the ass whooping Whitebeard laid down on my boy Akainu.

Maybe my reverence overtakes me, but Marineford didn’t feel too poor of a showing if we look at how the upper echelon of each side were doing imo
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8926 Posts
December 28 2020 06:03 GMT
#31020
also i just realised the brief kaido vs luffy sequence played out exactly like luffy vs pacifista after the timeskip. im gonna go out on a limb and say it was intentional and oda is foreshadowing kaidos stomping
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