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Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
January 05 2021 11:07 GMT
#31041
Did Oda really offscreen the whole samurai bunch getting beaten by Kaido? I feel like I'm missing at least one chapter, holy hell.
Revolutionist fan
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8871 Posts
January 05 2021 11:19 GMT
#31042
On January 05 2021 20:07 Salteador Neo wrote:
Did Oda really offscreen the whole samurai bunch getting beaten by Kaido? I feel like I'm missing at least one chapter, holy hell.

i prefer it this way actually.
the result was obvious and honestly compared to kaido theyre just fodder. a few swings of his club and everyones gonna get knocked out so why invest panels into that. i appreciate the exclusion of those scenes in favour of pacing
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55579 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-05 11:42:36
January 05 2021 11:41 GMT
#31043
In chapter 994 Kaido leaves his dragon form after cutting off Kiku's arm, all the samurai still standing. In chapter 996 there's 1 page that shows the fight is almost done as he knocks out Kinemon & Denjiro. Next chapter he lifts the island. Oda absolutely off-screened most of them.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
January 05 2021 15:27 GMT
#31044
Im okay with them being finished off screen, they had a lovely chapter of having at Kaido and I think that was satisfying enough for me, I don't think I needed to see them get thrashed, the impact is just as good seeing their broken bodies littering the floor when Luffy arrives imo
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
January 05 2021 16:15 GMT
#31045
If pre-training Gear4 was dumpstered by Kaido, none of them would have done anything remotely difficult for Kaido.
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3265 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-05 20:29:44
January 05 2021 20:29 GMT
#31046
Yeah I think they had a good showing and then Kaido got serious. Imo the difference between them was very obvious by the way Kiku's arm got cut off and showing the rest would have been a bit of a waste. Maybe it could have helped getting the readers a bit more mad at him, but I think we had enough buildup and it's about time we get to the actual fights.
low gravity, yes-yes!
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States923 Posts
January 05 2021 21:40 GMT
#31047
On January 06 2021 05:29 Archeon wrote:
Yeah I think they had a good showing and then Kaido got serious. Imo the difference between them was very obvious by the way Kiku's arm got cut off and showing the rest would have been a bit of a waste. Maybe it could have helped getting the readers a bit more mad at him, but I think we had enough buildup and it's about time we get to the actual fights.


Oda did bad job showcasing scabbards. They're literally fillers/fodders to Kaido. I don't even care for their dedication to Oden. I didn't feel a thing. I felt more emotion for that random soldier running towards his death in AoT. Just move aside and let Luffy handle it. I really hope Oda focuses on our protagonists and not add shit/usless characters lol
Life is just life
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
January 05 2021 23:37 GMT
#31048
I wholly disagree, seeing them slice up Kaido (even if they amounted to paper cuts) using Oden's sword techniques in his memory got me going. They had a nice little hope build up in that chapter before Kiku's arm got sliced off and we got to have a little "oh shit that can't be good," later on, and then a reveal of their mangled bodies littering the floor.

I think if there was an intention to not have to show every last fight to it's conclusion this has been a very good way to do so.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
January 06 2021 01:47 GMT
#31049
They were built up to be a powerful force, depicted to be able to injure Kaido and intent on killing Kaido which is something Luffy has not been able to do yet. Disappointing that they were taken out offscreen in chapter 999, but at least this way it was done in such a way that they aren't definitely dead, like smiling and having a flashback next to an exploding bomb.
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States923 Posts
January 06 2021 17:20 GMT
#31050
On January 06 2021 10:47 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
They were built up to be a powerful force, depicted to be able to injure Kaido and intent on killing Kaido which is something Luffy has not been able to do yet. Disappointing that they were taken out offscreen in chapter 999, but at least this way it was done in such a way that they aren't definitely dead, like smiling and having a flashback next to an exploding bomb.


wasn't it pretty obvious they stood no chance vs kaido? At the end, it didn't even matter. Their efforts resulted in nothing. Kaido already healed himself with awakening anyway. Oda could have written this better. Maybe assist luffy and supernovas rather than them going solo on kaido. During the battle, we could have seen actual sacrifices and actually damaging Kaido. Oda had to take that shonen way. Only protagonists fight main villans and BEAT them!
Life is just life
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2057 Posts
January 06 2021 17:38 GMT
#31051
Wait, Kaido healed himself with "awakening"? I totally missed this
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States923 Posts
January 06 2021 17:49 GMT
#31052
On January 07 2021 02:38 herMan wrote:
Wait, Kaido healed himself with "awakening"? I totally missed this


It's just my own personal guess. Isn't it assumed he heals pretty rapidly given that he has a zoan devil fruit? We saw those zoans heal themselves pretty rapidly in impel down
Life is just life
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18648 Posts
January 06 2021 17:54 GMT
#31053
I don't think Kaido is healed at all and the fight against the samurai will have definitely weakened him a bit (and probably even will have a deciding factor at the end)
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
January 06 2021 20:04 GMT
#31054
Kinemon has been with the Straw hats for the Punk Hazard and Dressrosa arc, for over 300 chapters now, over 5 years in real time. They were slowly built up over time before and during this arc. They managed to cut Kaido, who can apparently survive being executed multiple times by the world government and was only ever cut by Oden before. We all know Luffy is set up to be the one to defeat Kaido, just like how Luffy is always the one set up to defeat the main boss every arc. Many chracters fought with Doflamingo with far less set up and they weren't offscreen despite us knowing that it will be Luffy yet again to defeat him. Doesn't make it any less disappointing that they were essentially defeated offscreened.

Your whole healed himself with awakening and they did nothing is just own own personel interpretation that doesn't bear out with what has been depicted.
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States923 Posts
January 06 2021 20:48 GMT
#31055
On January 07 2021 05:04 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Kinemon has been with the Straw hats for the Punk Hazard and Dressrosa arc, for over 300 chapters now, over 5 years in real time. They were slowly built up over time before and during this arc. They managed to cut Kaido, who can apparently survive being executed multiple times by the world government and was only ever cut by Oden before. We all know Luffy is set up to be the one to defeat Kaido, just like how Luffy is always the one set up to defeat the main boss every arc. Many chracters fought with Doflamingo with far less set up and they weren't offscreen despite us knowing that it will be Luffy yet again to defeat him. Doesn't make it any less disappointing that they were essentially defeated offscreened.

Your whole healed himself with awakening and they did nothing is just own own personel interpretation that doesn't bear out with what has been depicted.


True true, I can be wrong here but did one piece fandom really care about the scabbards? Last time I saw, people just want Luffy, Zoros, and the supernovas in actions because we all "know" it doesn't matter at end. Scabbards will be slapped down hard..
Life is just life
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
January 06 2021 22:20 GMT
#31056
On January 07 2021 05:48 Shinokuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2021 05:04 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Kinemon has been with the Straw hats for the Punk Hazard and Dressrosa arc, for over 300 chapters now, over 5 years in real time. They were slowly built up over time before and during this arc. They managed to cut Kaido, who can apparently survive being executed multiple times by the world government and was only ever cut by Oden before. We all know Luffy is set up to be the one to defeat Kaido, just like how Luffy is always the one set up to defeat the main boss every arc. Many chracters fought with Doflamingo with far less set up and they weren't offscreen despite us knowing that it will be Luffy yet again to defeat him. Doesn't make it any less disappointing that they were essentially defeated offscreened.

Your whole healed himself with awakening and they did nothing is just own own personel interpretation that doesn't bear out with what has been depicted.


True true, I can be wrong here but did one piece fandom really care about the scabbards? Last time I saw, people just want Luffy, Zoros, and the supernovas in actions because we all "know" it doesn't matter at end. Scabbards will be slapped down hard..

I second this. It's too explicit that the scabbards are fine with dying as long as they stand up against Kaido and Orochi, so I don't even know why Oda would let them all seemingly live (as shown in ch1000). Maybe Kin or someone else will do some massive self-sacrificial move akin to Oden that eases the job of the alliance.
Mine gas, build tanks.
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States923 Posts
January 06 2021 23:19 GMT
#31057
On January 07 2021 07:20 Akio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2021 05:48 Shinokuki wrote:
On January 07 2021 05:04 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Kinemon has been with the Straw hats for the Punk Hazard and Dressrosa arc, for over 300 chapters now, over 5 years in real time. They were slowly built up over time before and during this arc. They managed to cut Kaido, who can apparently survive being executed multiple times by the world government and was only ever cut by Oden before. We all know Luffy is set up to be the one to defeat Kaido, just like how Luffy is always the one set up to defeat the main boss every arc. Many chracters fought with Doflamingo with far less set up and they weren't offscreen despite us knowing that it will be Luffy yet again to defeat him. Doesn't make it any less disappointing that they were essentially defeated offscreened.

Your whole healed himself with awakening and they did nothing is just own own personel interpretation that doesn't bear out with what has been depicted.


True true, I can be wrong here but did one piece fandom really care about the scabbards? Last time I saw, people just want Luffy, Zoros, and the supernovas in actions because we all "know" it doesn't matter at end. Scabbards will be slapped down hard..

I second this. It's too explicit that the scabbards are fine with dying as long as they stand up against Kaido and Orochi, so I don't even know why Oda would let them all seemingly live (as shown in ch1000). Maybe Kin or someone else will do some massive self-sacrificial move akin to Oden that eases the job of the alliance.


That is the biggest problem of one piece. Oda can't kill of characters which leads to EVERY situation that our strawhats have no weight/threat.
Life is just life
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
January 07 2021 04:14 GMT
#31058
I dont know that we're going to see much awakening with Zoan fruits, doesn't it basically make you go feral? Thats the impression I got from the awakened Zoans in Impel Down
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2057 Posts
January 07 2021 16:59 GMT
#31059
What is awakening anyway? Sounds like an asspull devil fruit trait this far in the game. It seems that there is virtually no limit to what it can do, e.g. Doflamingo turning the entire world into strings...
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-07 22:00:11
January 07 2021 18:09 GMT
#31060
Awakening has never really been properly explained. To be honest, if Doflamingo is anything to go by, it is also dumb as fuck. Maybe to be an admiral you have to be awakened and it turns out that admirals have super-haki that can defeat other haki. It's kind of leading that way right now.

Oda probably offscreened the scabbard because he want them to live. Doesn't make it any less disappointing considering the 300 chapters and 5 years we had of them. They deserve better. But then again this is a manga where having your head chopped off or stabbed in the heart through the body or skull cracked in half or missing half your head or being next to an explosive bomb doesn't kill you. Heck, actually dying doesn't kill you if Brook is anything to go by. In One Piece, people don't die if they are killed.
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