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On December 16 2020 23:32 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I feel like Oda is rather inconsistent with Enel. Enel had exceptional observational haki, being able to see and hear everything occuring in an island, could seemingly predict the future, and used his powers in various ways like melting gold and reshaping it if I remember it correctly. he didn't just stand there blasting away with electricity. Then he somehow gets defeated by being punched despite being a logia who is invincible to non-haki imbued attacks. He took a bullet to the head with no problem because he made made out of electricity, but somehow a giant gold ball is a problem.
It's a bit like the Crocodile problem. This character is supposed to be strong, yet gets defeated early on by Luffy before Luffy would had learnt the powers that should had enabled him to defeat them. Implying that Luffy was using armament haki all along from the start, but is suprised when he gets taught about haki.
While its true that Enel had excellent observational haki, IIRC at least part of his ability to being able to hear stuff all over the island was him using his Devil Fruit to pick up electromagnetic waves, right? His long range stuff was less due to powerful Haki and more Devil Fruit ability. I guess it will never be confirmed unless both characters return at the same time, but I imagine Katakuri's observation Haki was probably stronger.
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Enel used his DF to get the range to cover all of Skypiea yeah, but he couldn't actually see into the future like Katakuri or Luffy can. He was reading people's minds/intentions and reacting accordingly. There's a scene where Luffy starts making his attacks go into random directions by bouncing them off a wall and Enel couldn't predict them because Luffy himself didn't know where the attacks were going to land.
Katakuri would know where those attacks are going because he gets an actual glimpse into the future.
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sigh.. one piece has lost its charm for me. Another pointless filler with gazillion characters introduced solely for the sake of setting up 1000th chapter. I sense no dread/stress as our characters enter 4 yonko arc. What's the point? Strawhats are literally going to survive through these ordeals anyway. I guess that's why one piece is a shonen. It's all so predictable until the last ~3 arcs which probably wont happen until ~2025.. Hate the way one piece is going atm. Lost its charm and the ability to bring out raw emotion.
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I disagree, Im loving OP, I dont find any of whats going on to be filler, though I guess the Ace flashback could be a hamfisted 1000 chapter thing, but Im overall still reading OP as my last manga of the week which I reserve for My Favorite
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It would be great to see one of the Straw Hats get killed in the battle. It would increase the tension substantially and let readers know that from this point on, key members are fair game. Now that Jinbei is on board and Carrot is surely joining, the author can't focus on specific characters that much. Chasing dreams in One Piece should be dangerous and it would make it so meaningful if everybody wouldn't make it.
Everybody surviving all the time feels pointless. The protagonist is wreaking all kinds of havoc and death in his wake (toppling governments, breaking out murderous prison inmates etc.) but it doesn't extend into his acquaintances.
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Regarding Enel being punched by rubber and Crocodile being punched by water, neither has been adequately explained. Logia users are supposed to be invulnerable to all non-haki imbued objects, but when it's Luffy, suddenly he finds out that logia users stop working to certain materials. This is especially odd in Crocodiles case since his most terrifying power is to suck out moisture from bodies. It seems internally inconsistent that that logia users are affected by certain elements. What's next? Maybe lava can punch a fire logia through the chest because lava burns hotter than fire.
I forgot that Enel was using his fruit power to enhance his haki. So perhaps he should not be able to tell the future afterall. Katakuri stronger than Enel confirmed. Afterall can Mochi conduct electricity? Mochi is like rubber that you can eat right?
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If you had to choose to kill off one Straw Hat in this arc, who would it be?
I would pick Nami because I had high hopes for her but she turned out to be a massive disappointment. She can't fight, she's not funny like Ussop, her navigation skills are unnecessary because all you really need is a good helmsman (Jimbe) and a log pose. Overall, she's dead weight.
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if a strawhat had to die for me it would have to be usopp.
nami dying wouldnt be meaningful enough for me and tbh shes basically 3rd captain anyway.
usopp, weak as he is, could have a death that was still impactful to the reader instead of something like "yeah he had it coming for being so weak". i think hes quite often taken the role of fodder who took one for the team before so its not completely far fetched to have him die for the team.
also his dream doesnt necessarily require him to find one piece like the others and him having left the crew once and merry "dying" could pass as foreshadowing for me
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I don't like Usopp dying, because he is the fodder of the party. It would make sense to show the realism of the story in an early arc, but we're way past that. Nami feels much more connected to the members and would have as a result a much bigger impact on characters like Sanji, Robin and even Luffy.
On December 17 2020 22:12 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Regarding Enel being punched by rubber and Crocodile being punched by water, neither has been adequately explained. Logia users are supposed to be invulnerable to all non-haki imbued objects, but when it's Luffy, suddenly he finds out that logia users stop working to certain materials. This is especially odd in Crocodiles case since his most terrifying power is to suck out moisture from bodies. It seems internally inconsistent that that logia users are affected by certain elements. What's next? Maybe lava can punch a fire logia through the chest because lava burns hotter than fire.
I forgot that Enel was using his fruit power to enhance his haki. So perhaps he should not be able to tell the future afterall. Katakuri stronger than Enel confirmed. Afterall can Mochi conduct electricity? Mochi is like rubber that you can eat right?
Pretty sure that Haki wasn't initially a thing and Oda wanted some mechanic that gave Logia users a weakness that can be exploited by the MC. Crocodile and Enel having weakspots based on their quirks that the MC can find out is perfectly normal game logic.
Crocodile being actually weak to water gives him a motivation to turn Alabasta into a desert and leaves enough room for loose interpretations to not be completely questionable. It makes some sense for an adventure story with multiple sub-arcs because you can introduce elemental based enemies that immediately have motivations and arc-themes.
The problem is that once you switch to Shonen with powerlevels you need to create a power-hierarchy and an element of growth and suddenly all the guys they fought against at the start are fodder. It's one of the reasons why it's so unbelievable now that Crocodile was a Shishibukai, because every other one would have crushed Alabasta Luffy.
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Hasn't Oda explained Crocodile being so weak against Luffy was because he used his powers to surpress rain (do you realise how strong he must be to do that?) on Alabasta?
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He might have, I forget a lot about One Piece. But why wouldn't he allow rain for a day if that allows him to not loose everything?
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On December 18 2020 01:46 Archeon wrote:
He might have, I forget a lot about One Piece. But why wouldn't he allow rain for a day if that allows him to not loose everything?
Because the lack of rain (outside the capital) was one of the reasons the country was in civil war
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Fair, rereading OP has been on my TODO-list for too long I guess.
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On December 17 2020 20:27 herMan wrote:
It would be great to see one of the Straw Hats get killed in the battle. It would increase the tension substantially and let readers know that from this point on, key members are fair game. Now that Jinbei is on board and Carrot is surely joining, the author can't focus on specific characters that much. Chasing dreams in One Piece should be dangerous and it would make it so meaningful if everybody wouldn't make it.
Everybody surviving all the time feels pointless. The protagonist is wreaking all kinds of havoc and death in his wake (toppling governments, breaking out murderous prison inmates etc.) but it doesn't extend into his acquaintances.
exactly, there is no momentum or significance to any mission they're doing. It's always the same formula: Go to village and discover that it's been subjected to exploitation and abuse by bad guys. Luffy fights off the bad guy and all our protagonists are SAFE! Repeat and rinse. This formula was certainly enjoyable PRE-TIME SKIP. Post Time skip? Hell no. Our protagonists are in END GAME now. People have always spoke of the perils of new world and how pirate's dreams are utterly crushed by insurmountable forces that are the yonkos. Here we are right at the heart of the strongest yonko's territory and what is the feeling I get? Disappointment. I really thought Oda was going to show how utterly hopeless and bleak it is to fight the yonko and attain the greatest treasure in the world without sacrificing lot of things along the way. There is no sense of dread or significance to anything. Our strawhats will fight their enemies head on and win without any consequences. Luffy will waltz away to one piece without losing a single member. No sacrifices or suffering along the way. The fandom will continue to focus on shittiest aspect which is power levels among characters while Oda will continue to craft a story that is in align with what the big corporation wants to eek out as much $$$ as they can. I hope to god Oda goes god mode the last 3 arcs without adding SHIT fllers or characters like tontattas. Man needs to write his final arcs originally as he intended to without anyone swaying how he should write to eek out as much $$$ as they can.
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If you think One Piece is repetetive.. you know no one is forcing you to read it? :D
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On December 18 2020 02:00 sharkie wrote:
If you think One Piece is repetetive.. you know no one is forcing you to read it? :D
yeah i stopped reading it. Just ranting because I loved one piece.
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shinokuki has it occured to you that maybe you just got old.
i mean most of us started op as kids and youre obviously not going to feel the same way about a manga/anime as you did 20 yrs ago
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On December 18 2020 02:50 evilfatsh1t wrote:
shinokuki has it occured to you that maybe you just got old.
i mean most of us started op as kids and youre obviously not going to feel the same way about a manga/anime as you did 20 yrs ago
I still look at past episodes and my god were they beautifully done. There was sense of adventure and wonder of what there is. Strawhats were together and there weren't too many characters or side quests. I watch these from time to time.
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