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On December 23 2016 03:24 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Zepo sounds like Bepo's brother. And Oda finally ready to go full game of thrones. Could also be his father since he only had 30 years of his life span left before Big Mom took it.
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one of the best chapter of 2016 if not the best jesus
i was tricked into thinking that she was somewhat idiot or good because it would have been maybe too big that she was in fact evil .. but she was haha
the only thing where i at least made a correct guess (for once) is that either the germa or big mom was planning a coup because for me it would have been impossible for them to be like allies
also it's time for luffy to call his fleet
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Ya dinguses, she's pretending, or her third eye changes her personality and she called it out on purpose.
And if you don't believe me, then explain the point of the Lola flashback a couple chapters back. Oda doesn't put random crap in his manga. (except the tontattas)
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On December 23 2016 05:57 Hyperbola wrote: Ya dinguses, she's pretending, or her third eye changes her personality and she called it out on purpose.
And if you don't believe me, then explain the point of the Lola flashback a couple chapters back. Oda doesn't put random crap in his manga. (except the tontattas) She probably hates Lola, and Lola's talk of love sickened her. If that flashback was supposed to reflect positively on her, why didn't she provide any commentary on it, internally or otherwise? The lack of exposition was meant to leave it open as to what its purpose was.
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On December 23 2016 07:19 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2016 05:57 Hyperbola wrote: Ya dinguses, she's pretending, or her third eye changes her personality and she called it out on purpose.
And if you don't believe me, then explain the point of the Lola flashback a couple chapters back. Oda doesn't put random crap in his manga. (except the tontattas) She probably hates Lola, and Lola's talk of love sickened her. If that flashback was supposed to reflect positively on her, why didn't she provide any commentary on it, internally or otherwise? The lack of exposition was meant to leave it open as to what its purpose was. Sometimes, media doesn't spoon feed you and expects you to understand what a scene means. The scene with the flashback to Lola and then the subsequent flashback to Big Mom telling Pudding what to wear and to do everything she tells her to signifies that Pudding wants to rebel against her mother. If Big Mom had planned to slaughter the Gherma from the start then her shooting Sanji and capturing his sister would be her following her mom's wishes. Clearly, she doesn't want to do that. Hence, she's pretending.
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Ok I do think Pudding being evil is a good reveal, but the problem with Big Mom planning a wedding massacre is that she makes her alliances through marriages so killing the Vinsmokes will make it very hard for any future alliances or integration marriages. For example if Big Mom does secure a wedding match with the Giants and they hear about this massacre they probably won't enter an alliance. I also though Big Mom was already going to get the Vinsmoke technology with the alliance, I guess she just wasn't getting all the technology with cloning being withheld from her.
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Hmm. What if Puddings acting skill also applies to her scenes in this chapter as well? If we take this chapter as being chronologically before the last one then why she let Rejiu get away? Could this be her way of leaking a fake BM assassination plan to tuw Vinsmokes to incite a fight to nullify the wedding? Was she just baiting Laffy with her acting skills so he gets angry and motivated to break out?
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On December 23 2016 08:06 BlackMagister wrote: Ok I do think Pudding being evil is a good reveal, but the problem with Big Mom planning a wedding massacre is that she makes her alliances through marriages so killing the Vinsmokes will make it very hard for any future alliances or integration marriages. For example if Big Mom does secure a wedding match with the Giants and they hear about this massacre they probably won't enter an alliance. I also though Big Mom was already going to get the Vinsmoke technology with the alliance, I guess she just wasn't getting all the technology with cloning being withheld from her. But she's Big Mom. If you say no you also die.
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On December 23 2016 07:34 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2016 07:19 Sentenal wrote:On December 23 2016 05:57 Hyperbola wrote: Ya dinguses, she's pretending, or her third eye changes her personality and she called it out on purpose.
And if you don't believe me, then explain the point of the Lola flashback a couple chapters back. Oda doesn't put random crap in his manga. (except the tontattas) She probably hates Lola, and Lola's talk of love sickened her. If that flashback was supposed to reflect positively on her, why didn't she provide any commentary on it, internally or otherwise? The lack of exposition was meant to leave it open as to what its purpose was. Sometimes, media doesn't spoon feed you and expects you to understand what a scene means. The scene with the flashback to Lola and then the subsequent flashback to Big Mom telling Pudding what to wear and to do everything she tells her to signifies that Pudding wants to rebel against her mother. If Big Mom had planned to slaughter the Gherma from the start then her shooting Sanji and capturing his sister would be her following her mom's wishes. Clearly, she doesn't want to do that. Hence, she's pretending. Exactly, it doesn't spoon feed you, and you have to try and think about what it means. Its strange to me that you would take that scene entirely at face value, and then lecture me about it. With absolutely no commentary and exposition to go along side the scene, it could imply virtually anything. In light of things that has been revealed, there is next to nothing that points to Pudding being anything other than a willing, able, and enthusiastic accomplice to Big Mom. While it all being an act and some grand master plan on Pudding's part is within the realm of possibility, there isn't anything that makes that seem particularly likely, considering virtually all of Pudding's actions thus far have been antagonistic to the Strawhats. She has literally done nothing so far that seems to be an act of rebellion against Big Mom. The facts were already stacked against her before this reveal, even.
This sounds an awful lot like denial, so maybe you are going through the same emotions Sanji is going through?
On December 23 2016 08:25 Slaughter wrote: Hmm. What if Puddings acting skill also applies to her scenes in this chapter as well? If we take this chapter as being chronologically before the last one then why she let Rejiu get away? Could this be her way of leaking a fake BM assassination plan to tuw Vinsmokes to incite a fight to nullify the wedding? Was she just baiting Laffy with her acting skills so he gets angry and motivated to break out? Its possible, but I think if that was her plan, she had plenty of better opportunities to do so in the past, so her timing now wouldn't make much sense to me.
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Either way it's going to be awesome to see how it plays out.
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Yep, either way would be good. I like the direction its going right now, but if it is a double-fake, Oda would have completely blown my mind.
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On December 23 2016 11:02 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2016 07:34 Hyperbola wrote:On December 23 2016 07:19 Sentenal wrote:On December 23 2016 05:57 Hyperbola wrote: Ya dinguses, she's pretending, or her third eye changes her personality and she called it out on purpose.
And if you don't believe me, then explain the point of the Lola flashback a couple chapters back. Oda doesn't put random crap in his manga. (except the tontattas) She probably hates Lola, and Lola's talk of love sickened her. If that flashback was supposed to reflect positively on her, why didn't she provide any commentary on it, internally or otherwise? The lack of exposition was meant to leave it open as to what its purpose was. Sometimes, media doesn't spoon feed you and expects you to understand what a scene means. The scene with the flashback to Lola and then the subsequent flashback to Big Mom telling Pudding what to wear and to do everything she tells her to signifies that Pudding wants to rebel against her mother. If Big Mom had planned to slaughter the Gherma from the start then her shooting Sanji and capturing his sister would be her following her mom's wishes. Clearly, she doesn't want to do that. Hence, she's pretending. Exactly, it doesn't spoon feed you, and you have to try and think about what it means. Its strange to me that you would take that scene entirely at face value, and then lecture me about it. With absolutely no commentary and exposition to go along side the scene, it could imply virtually anything. In light of things that has been revealed, there is next to nothing that points to Pudding being anything other than a willing, able, and enthusiastic accomplice to Big Mom. While it all being an act and some grand master plan on Pudding's part is within the realm of possibility, there isn't anything that makes that seem particularly likely, considering virtually all of Pudding's actions thus far have been antagonistic to the Strawhats. She has literally done nothing so far that seems to be an act of rebellion against Big Mom. The facts were already stacked against her before this reveal, even. This sounds an awful lot like denial, so maybe you are going through the same emotions Sanji is going through? Show nested quote +On December 23 2016 08:25 Slaughter wrote: Hmm. What if Puddings acting skill also applies to her scenes in this chapter as well? If we take this chapter as being chronologically before the last one then why she let Rejiu get away? Could this be her way of leaking a fake BM assassination plan to tuw Vinsmokes to incite a fight to nullify the wedding? Was she just baiting Laffy with her acting skills so he gets angry and motivated to break out? Its possible, but I think if that was her plan, she had plenty of better opportunities to do so in the past, so her timing now wouldn't make much sense to me. I would like to bring everyone's attention to this post. This is the perfect, textbook example of grasping for straws.
You can almost see the hay. It's beautiful.
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I don't think this chapter is before the previous one in time, reiju is bleeding where she's sitting so I think she was captured after being wounded there. At least I can't remember having a flashback happen like this without any indication
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On December 23 2016 08:06 BlackMagister wrote: Ok I do think Pudding being evil is a good reveal, but the problem with Big Mom planning a wedding massacre is that she makes her alliances through marriages so killing the Vinsmokes will make it very hard for any future alliances or integration marriages. For example if Big Mom does secure a wedding match with the Giants and they hear about this massacre they probably won't enter an alliance. I also though Big Mom was already going to get the Vinsmoke technology with the alliance, I guess she just wasn't getting all the technology with cloning being withheld from her. big mom would lose no credibility by killing all of the vinsmoke, since she can easily make up things by saying that the vinsmoke were the one attempting to do something using her influence to make it as the universal truth
i still think that Jajji can't be that naive and i hope he already have a solid plan beside keeping in hostage pudding
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It was a pleasant turn out that what actually is pudding, love it. but honestly it can go either way without the reveal of this chapter. it was very fishy to begin tho when she failed to deliver the message at the start, SH now should learn to doubt some people. Is OP heading to a more mature tone here into 2017 haha.
Vinsmoke family parks all their ships under big mama territory doesn't make sense to me, that is just dumb if you ask me. All in all, it will become a resolution arc of sanji with his family in the end of it. I would be impressed if Vinsmoke get completely destroyed and sanji now walks the earth as the last vinsmoke. Not gonna happen.
Interesting to see what happens that for sure.
do we get one more chapter next week?
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I'm not opposed to the idea that from the very start, both Big Mom's crew and the Vinsmoke family were planning to betray each other during the tea party and that there'll be a big battle. It'll be interesting to see how Bege fits into it all and how this arc will be resolved.
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On December 24 2016 02:56 Elentos wrote: I'm not opposed to the idea that from the very start, both Big Mom's crew and the Vinsmoke family were planning to betray each other during the tea party and that there'll be a big battle. It'll be interesting to see how Bege fits into it all and how this arc will be resolved. based on the private convo they dont plan to betray big mom, he talk about sanji and pudding living with them as the hostage
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On December 23 2016 09:01 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2016 08:06 BlackMagister wrote: Ok I do think Pudding being evil is a good reveal, but the problem with Big Mom planning a wedding massacre is that she makes her alliances through marriages so killing the Vinsmokes will make it very hard for any future alliances or integration marriages. For example if Big Mom does secure a wedding match with the Giants and they hear about this massacre they probably won't enter an alliance. I also though Big Mom was already going to get the Vinsmoke technology with the alliance, I guess she just wasn't getting all the technology with cloning being withheld from her. But she's Big Mom. If you say no you also die. You can't make alliance by simply threatening to kill people. Take Sanji they threatened to kill Sanji to get him to cooperate, but he was an individual, the Vinsmoke family agreed to the alliance.
On December 23 2016 23:36 Makro wrote: big mom would lose no credibility by killing all of the vinsmoke, since she can easily make up things by saying that the vinsmoke were the one attempting to do something using her influence to make it as the universal truth
i still think that Jajji can't be that naive and i hope he already have a solid plan beside keeping in hostage pudding If she kills all of them and blames the Vinsmokes for starting a fight I don't see how that wouldn't seem suspicious to any other group wanting to ally themselves with Big Mom's crew. Especially when she trots out a clone army with technology stolen from Vinsmokes. Unless killing the Vinsmokes is enough to make her Pirate King she threw away a valuable tool, her marriages using her children, to get the cloning tech that she could have still used.
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what would be funny as if sanji attempts to get a message to his family which warns them of the betrayal they dont believe them but before the actual betrayal happens big mom has the a vinsmoke open the tamate box which alerts them
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On December 23 2016 22:31 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2016 11:02 Sentenal wrote:On December 23 2016 07:34 Hyperbola wrote:On December 23 2016 07:19 Sentenal wrote:On December 23 2016 05:57 Hyperbola wrote: Ya dinguses, she's pretending, or her third eye changes her personality and she called it out on purpose.
And if you don't believe me, then explain the point of the Lola flashback a couple chapters back. Oda doesn't put random crap in his manga. (except the tontattas) She probably hates Lola, and Lola's talk of love sickened her. If that flashback was supposed to reflect positively on her, why didn't she provide any commentary on it, internally or otherwise? The lack of exposition was meant to leave it open as to what its purpose was. Sometimes, media doesn't spoon feed you and expects you to understand what a scene means. The scene with the flashback to Lola and then the subsequent flashback to Big Mom telling Pudding what to wear and to do everything she tells her to signifies that Pudding wants to rebel against her mother. If Big Mom had planned to slaughter the Gherma from the start then her shooting Sanji and capturing his sister would be her following her mom's wishes. Clearly, she doesn't want to do that. Hence, she's pretending. Exactly, it doesn't spoon feed you, and you have to try and think about what it means. Its strange to me that you would take that scene entirely at face value, and then lecture me about it. With absolutely no commentary and exposition to go along side the scene, it could imply virtually anything. In light of things that has been revealed, there is next to nothing that points to Pudding being anything other than a willing, able, and enthusiastic accomplice to Big Mom. While it all being an act and some grand master plan on Pudding's part is within the realm of possibility, there isn't anything that makes that seem particularly likely, considering virtually all of Pudding's actions thus far have been antagonistic to the Strawhats. She has literally done nothing so far that seems to be an act of rebellion against Big Mom. The facts were already stacked against her before this reveal, even. This sounds an awful lot like denial, so maybe you are going through the same emotions Sanji is going through? On December 23 2016 08:25 Slaughter wrote: Hmm. What if Puddings acting skill also applies to her scenes in this chapter as well? If we take this chapter as being chronologically before the last one then why she let Rejiu get away? Could this be her way of leaking a fake BM assassination plan to tuw Vinsmokes to incite a fight to nullify the wedding? Was she just baiting Laffy with her acting skills so he gets angry and motivated to break out? Its possible, but I think if that was her plan, she had plenty of better opportunities to do so in the past, so her timing now wouldn't make much sense to me. I would like to bring everyone's attention to this post. This is the perfect, textbook example of grasping for straws. You can almost see the hay. It's beautiful. Do you know what projection is? Holy shit, he's not the one grasping for straws, you are. Right now we have to assume Pudding is in fact a bad guy, something that is a a twist only because of the fact that Oda is reluctant to writing actually bad attractive female characters and because of a well placed flashback that can be interpreted as Pudding wanting to rebel (despite the fact that, as Slaughter said, we are not provided with any insight of how she feels about the flashback). Right now everything she has done is in line with her being bad.
It's not out of question that she will turn good in the end of course, Oda already pulled the second level twist with Viola but that would be a pretty big cop out in my opinion.
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