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saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
On May 29 2015 08:13 rei wrote: who said anything about one on one. It's Mingo against the world, and he's winning. Reminds me of those 4v4 games in iccup_hunters where your 3 teammates get defeated early on but you're hanging in there and still surviving 1v4 and still being able to push. But it's hunters and your main and natural are running out of resources.... | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8916 Posts
basically i agree with a lot of ppl, this arc started good but its now turned into one of the shittiest arcs in one piece | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2554 Posts
On May 29 2015 09:49 evilfatsh1t wrote: i want this arc to end so badly now. there hasnt been anything new for ages, most of the shit happening was all expected and its just dragging on. birdcage is bullshit as with a lot of other plot devices. characters doing stupid/irrational shit, princess tears healing everyone but miraculously dont touch any of the baddies? and now luffy is supposed to get up after 1 min and suddenly beast mode it and 1 hit ko doffy? luffy doesnt just look like he cant use haki, he literally looks as dead as he was when he just finished rob lucci. how the fuck is he supposed to get up and turn gear 4 on again and 1 hit ko doffy. basically i agree with a lot of ppl, this arc started good but its now turned into one of the shittiest arcs in one piece Well you're out of luck, next chapter ends with Luffy waking up. Then we'll probably get an entire chapter of flashbacks and Luffy finally beating Doflamingo in two chapters. Then of course there needs to be an epilogue and a party and some plot development of what's been going on in the world. This arc won't end for another 2 months. Enjoy your summer  | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8916 Posts
On May 29 2015 11:04 Hyperbola wrote: Well you're out of luck, next chapter ends with Luffy waking up. Then we'll probably get an entire chapter of flashbacks and Luffy finally beating Doflamingo in two chapters. Then of course there needs to be an epilogue and a party and some plot development of what's been going on in the world. This arc won't end for another 2 months. Enjoy your summer id call that the end of the arc. i actually want to find out wtfs happening outside of dressrosa so...i only have to wait 4 weeks then? yesssss | ||
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Vortok
United States830 Posts
The birdcage not breaking from the various (strong) people attacking it does kind of remind me of the early days of Devil Fruits. The various Baroque Works members work as an example, such as Mr.3 and Miss Goldenweek. The crew had to pay attention to their enemies abilities and often had to then tailor their strategy around those abilities or risk getting wrecked (remember Zoro pondering what pose he should make as he turned into a wax statue?). CP9 had a bit of that too (particularly the bubble fruit lady). Lately (post timeskip) there's been a fair bit of 'brute force it (such as with haki) and ignore the mechanics of their devil fruit ability' going on. Like Caesar in the arc right before this. Literally got brute forced down. Zoro did a similar thing to Monet (though he didn't seem to use haki and instead just used intimidation via pure badassery). Neither one of them even bothered finding the weakness of their foe's fruit and just smashed through them with raw power. About the most Luffy did was figure out that breathing was hard if he got too close. There's nothing particularly wrong with being able to crush enemies like that. Having to find the specific weakness of someone, and then find that exact something to let them target that weakness would get tiring if done every single time (oh hey, the one material in the world that lets us attack our foe is conveniently nearby... again). Especially when it comes to Logias. Luffy and Zoro showing (different) ways to deal with enemies like that seemed more about displaying that they're on "New World" level compared to people in the early half of the grand line that get by just because they happened to have a Logia fruit. Insert generic 'Enel will always be the greatest' speel here. Crocodile is another great example of having to actually pay attention to his devil fruit ability to build a strategy with it in mind. If things just came down to raw power vs raw power, devil fruits would start to get pushed to the side, it'd quickly become about who has the stronger haki (which would get stale quickly), and then we're off to the wonderful world of (haki) power level comparisons. Nobody wants to see that shit. Which is why I'm mildly ok with people not being able to break the birdcage with brute force, even for someone like Fujitora or Zoro. They can use their haki to protect themselves from being cut to ribbons by it (that version of haki is more of an armor than a weapon, after all) and thus push against it, but to actually stop the birdcage requires more than just raw power. Aka, the mechanics of DD's devil fruit actually matters. I don't think it's about DD being stronger/having better haki than everyone pushing against the cage combined. Sugar didn't seem to have to do anything/had no noticeable drain to maintain half a nation being toys other than her needing to remain conscious. Mr. 3 also didn't really have to do much/anything as upkeep once he makes wax either. It's not like he's stronger than Magellan and thus the wax was usable by Luffy as armor against the poison - Mr. 3's wax just had the the right properties to be usable against Magellan. Same with the first time they fought Mr 3. He used his ability intelligently and a number of the crew got caught. Didn't mean he was stronger than all of them put together. Birdcage seems like a mix between something like Mr 3's wax/Aokiji's Ice (creates a physical material - hard to tell for absolute certain if the strings of the birdcage are completely separated from DD though) and Sugar's ability - aka, something like an enchantment to make stuff move (birdcage closing in). The latter type of ability is, of course, stopped when the user is knocked out. I could see the birdcage stopping movement when DD is knocked out (tons of foreshadowing pointing towards that) but I'm not so sure it'll just vanish. At the end of the day, we're just nerding out way too much, haha. On May 29 2015 05:56 Raneth wrote: To be honest, I think we put one piece on a pedestal that it doesn't deserve. Its really fun and I enjoy it, and I like the characters, but honestly, when you look back at one piece its really not as good as I thought it was (still good though!) I generally view One Piece as simply being the story of a grand adventure. There may be aspects (quite a few) that it does poorly or glosses over, but for me I just see most of them as not being a major focus when I via things through the above filter (plenty of other mangas out there that do focus on aspects that One Piece doesn't pay much attention to). Like, One Piece could totally work as a story to tell to wide-eyed kids around a campfire - because it's an adventure. The islands setup even automatically segment it for you. Tuck that away in your brain for when you have grandkids or something, haha. | ||
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sumsaR
Sweden1812 Posts
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RenSC2
United States1094 Posts
It seems like the "counter" to the birdcage is going to be everyone pushing really hard just to slow it down and give Luffy time to win his 1v1, but that's not much of a counter. What's to stop Doflamingo from getting on Buffalo, setting up a birdcage over any island and then stand on the outside as anyone on the island is eventually killed by the birdcage? He could singlehandedly take out Kaido and his entire local army unless they had a Kairoseki bunker. And even then, you can starve him out in the bunker. The birdcage just seems stupidly unbalanced and if Doflamingo had bothered to get on the outside of the cage before setting it off, literally every character on the island would be dead. | ||
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herMan
Japan2057 Posts
On May 29 2015 14:07 RenSC2 wrote: I liked this arc for most of it, but I'm not liking the bird cage. It seemed pretty cool at first, but it's showing to have zero weaknesses. It doesn't seem to slow down or weaken Doflamingo in any way, so he has no reason to recall it. It can't be cut or else Fujitora or Zoro would have cut it already. That's an admiral and one of the best pirate swordsmen in the world and yet their skills are worthless. I would think that cutting a string would be a counter. Maybe Inazuma's (Ivankov's friend) scissors are a counter? It doesn't seem like you can set it on fire and burn it either or else Sabo, Usopp, or that pyromaniac gladiator would have already done so. Even Kairoseki only stops it, but doesn't destroy the strings. Can you freeze and shatter it? Maybe Aokiji is the answer, but that seems really dubious from a storytelling point of view. It seems like the "counter" to the birdcage is going to be everyone pushing really hard just to slow it down and give Luffy time to win his 1v1, but that's not much of a counter. What's to stop Doflamingo from getting on Buffalo, setting up a birdcage over any island and then stand on the outside as anyone on the island is eventually killed by the birdcage? He could singlehandedly take out Kaido and his entire local army unless they had a Kairoseki bunker. And even then, you can starve him out in the bunker. The birdcage just seems stupidly unbalanced and if Doflamingo had bothered to get on the outside of the cage before setting it off, literally every character on the island would be dead. I thought it was implied somewhere that the Birdcage is converging to the center which is where Doflamingo himself is standing (please correct me if I'm wrong). Nevertheless I agree with the opinion that the seemingly absent weaknesses of the Birdcage is just sub-par writing from Oda. I don't believe we will be given an explanation of its power after Doflamingo is defeated because it doesn't add anything to the suspense if explained after the fact. The thing that intrigues me the most is what will happen to Doflamingo. Will he remain in the New World in some lesser capacity or will he be either murdered or taken captive? Which party will lay their hands on him? I feel that he will be killed as he's one of the most sadistic characters the manga has had so far. As Jimmy McNulty once said, "You play in dirt, you get dirty". | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
Oh and now you all agree with me that oda is wrong? is that what i'm reading? took you guys long enough, | ||
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herMan
Japan2057 Posts
On May 29 2015 14:39 rei wrote: What's luffy ganna do when he regain his haki? what's different? Mingo had been blocking with his face against luffy's gear 4 for a good 20 minutes. and guess what? the rule doesn't forbid Mingo from stepping outside of the birdcage while trapping everybody else inside, why? because he made the birdcage and he makes the rules. Why doesn't he do that? it's obviously because his arrogant does not allow him to consider any possibility of losing, everybody who has the conqueror's haki will have this disposition. The best way to beat him is to get seastone on his ass. Mingo is the baddest bad ass in one piece! Oh and now you all agree with me that oda is wrong? is that what i'm reading? took you guys long enough, This whole post is just a huge troll bait and I'm not gonna bite. I'll give you this though: I don't know if you refer to me as "you guys" or not, but saying people aren't satisfied with the Birdcage as a storytelling element does not equal to them saying that Oda is wrong or something. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
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vndestiny
Singapore3458 Posts
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
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Superouman
France2195 Posts
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Hyperbola
United States2554 Posts
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On May 29 2015 15:40 vndestiny wrote: Right and stupid aren't mutually exclusive. calling oda stupid is worst than calling him wrong. you can be wrong but smart in the same time, Newton was wrong, Darwin was wrong, Einstein was wrong on things they didn't get right and got proven wrong by later generations of scientist. We don't call them stupid. At least i'm not a hypocrite that thinks one thing but say another, If i think oda did something wrong i will say just that. All of you guys who gave me shit for saying oda is wrong lost all credibility forever when you started to complain about oda's work. Apparently those people's hypocrisy knows no bounce. Only you can complain about oda's work but not I? is this how USA runs? is this following the example of your founding fathers? slave owners fighting for freedom? | ||
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sertas
Sweden890 Posts
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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herMan
Japan2057 Posts
Poll: What will happen to Doflamingo after he's defeated? Killed by one of the parties (Pirates, Dressrosans, Marines / CP0, Law) (3) Captured by the Marines / CP0 (5) Manages to escape the island somehow (3) None of these (0) 11 total votes Your vote: What will happen to Doflamingo after he's defeated? (Vote): Killed by one of the parties (Pirates, Dressrosans, Marines / CP0, Law) | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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