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Hyperbola
United States2540 Posts
On May 31 2015 02:30 Forikorder wrote: i dont see how temporary healing could be an acient weapon Imagine you have an army of 10,000 soldiers. Now imagine that you have Mansherry's power on your side. That army of 10,000 just became an army of 20,000. It'll keep multiplying every time you use the mass healing power. You will literally have an indestructible army. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On May 31 2015 03:59 Hyperbola wrote: Imagine you have an army of 10,000 soldiers. Now imagine that you have Mansherry's power on your side. That army of 10,000 just became an army of 20,000. It'll keep multiplying every time you use the mass healing power. You will literally have an indestructible army. until the effect wears off... imagine this, they have an army of 100,000 you ahve a bird cage, they all get crushed to death the end | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2540 Posts
On May 31 2015 03:59 Hyperbola wrote: Imagine you have an army of 10,000 soldiers. Now imagine that you have Mansherry's power on your side. That army of 10,000 just became an army of 20,000. It'll keep multiplying every time you use the mass healing power. You will literally have an indestructible army. Also birdcage is cool and everything but it's only good when everyone's clustered together. That, and it has friendly fire so your enemy's army of 100,000 will die and your own army of 100,000 will die. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On May 30 2015 16:01 saltywet wrote: I think the reason that all the strong fighters are taking on the cage is that Doffy being defeated doesn't necessarily mean that bird cage will end. People here are assuming that Doffy/birdcage is similar to Sugar/toys - in that its effect will end once the DF user gets defeated. Not saying that my theory is true, but it does give the storyline a good reason to put the strong fighters to the bird cage instead of going to take out Doflamingo and it does make sense why the fact that bird cage was momentarily stopped is such an important detail That doesn't make sense. Why would the fodder be sacrificing themselves to stall Dofl until Luffy can fight again, if they didn't believe beating him would stop it? No matter how you look at it, there's very little reason for the stronger people there to not attack Dofl right now. | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
On May 31 2015 04:07 Hyperbola wrote: Do you know how to read? Also birdcage is cool and everything but it's only good when everyone's clustered together. That, and it has friendly fire so your enemy's army of 100,000 will die and your own army of 100,000 will die. Reviving an army of a thousand guys is still dependent on the people being revived. Applied in a certain way Mansherry's power can be incredibly powerful, but it's not inherently a weapon. Whitebeard's Gura Gura DF is closer to a super weapon since it can sink islands, but still isn't a super weapon. Mansherry's DF also has some sort of limitation and draws on her life force so quantity might be difficult. | ||
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callmedaddyy
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On May 31 2015 04:09 killa_robot wrote: That doesn't make sense. Why would the fodder be sacrificing themselves to stall Dofl until Luffy can fight again, if they didn't believe beating him would stop it? No matter how you look at it, there's very little reason for the stronger people there to not attack Dofl right now. who do u mean by stronger people? the only ones i can think of that would be able to take dodo down right now are zoro, sabo and fujitora. a crewmember of luffy or anyone affiliated with his crew (as for now kinnemon and the other samurai dude) will never ever interfere in their captain's battles. never happened, never will. as for sabo, u cant really expect a BB crew member to get shit on in like 2 minutes. if sabo goes for dodo and leaves burgess, he kills luffy. so not rly an option, means he will stay occupied. the only one u can argue about why hes apparently not doing shit is fujitora. then again though, aside from cp0, fujitora is probably the biggest enigma in this arc. everytime he was in a conversation with someone he left his opposite with a big questionmark. like when he got in a little fight with dodo where he mentioned that he wants to destroy the system of shichibukai and shake the balance of the 3 powers for some reason. or when he faught with sabo he mentioned that he's willing to bet his life on something and if he would lose the diceroll, then it woud be up to god (whatever that means, actually probably the return of ener to safe the day confirmed). and then he just stopped fighting sabo for some reason despite the fact that he was most likely be able to defeat him right there ( sabo was showing signs of exhaustion while fuji didnt, doesnt necessarily mean anything but its the only hint oda gave us). so, by the end of the arc i'm expecting to get a little more insight of fujis intentions although he will probably remain a mystery for a little longer in the series. i consider him the most interesting new introduction by far though. as for the birdcage, if it doesnt get any more indepth explanation of why it is so op (not gonna happen i think but who knows), then oh well, one bad plot device in an else really good arc with one of the most badass villains we had so far. even oda can fuck up from time to time right. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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Hyperbola
United States2540 Posts
On May 31 2015 10:20 rei wrote: you want to know why the 2 people who are strong enough to take Mingo, zoro and fujitora is not fighting him right now? the reason is very simple, Zorro is terribad at direction, and fujitora is blind, they can't physically get to Mingo, there you have it. Both have observation haki. Both are within range of "observation" of doflamingo. Even someone as directionless as zoro can walk towards a giant bright light. | ||
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sumsaR
Sweden1812 Posts
On May 31 2015 11:39 Hyperbola wrote: Both have observation haki. Both are within range of "observation" of doflamingo. Even someone as directionless as zoro can walk towards a giant bright light. Don't be so sure, depending on what level of comic relief Oda wants. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6660 Posts
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Raneth
England527 Posts
On May 31 2015 22:14 Necro)Phagist( wrote: I understand why Zoro would not go after Dofla, he would never interrupt Luffy's fight. Much like how when he fought Mihawk Luffy sat there and watched, even stopping Yosaku and Johnny from jumping in. But there is absolutely no reason for Fujitora to be pushing against the bird cage instead of going and slicing down Dofla in an instant. Fuji is playing by the rules, he is not allowed to kill dofla as far as I understand it, but he also wants to save lives, slowing the bird cage down can help do that. That is how I understood it anyway. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6660 Posts
On May 31 2015 22:27 Raneth wrote: Fuji is playing by the rules, he is not allowed to kill dofla as far as I understand it, but he also wants to save lives, slowing the bird cage down can help do that. That is how I understood it anyway. I can kind of see that, but on the other hand he has already had a mini fight with Dofla earlier, and it's blatantly clear Dofla is not going to be a shichibukai after this. I mean just like how Smoker and them had the authority to arrest Crocodile and strip him of his title on spot for what he did, I'm sure an Admiral can do a similar thing allowing him to attack and save thousands of lives. | ||
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Raneth
England527 Posts
"If I had not been there, that evil birdcage, made by DD would have killed thousands" instead of "Had I not arrested DD, who knows what would have happened?" Maybe? I suppose he could still do that now the genocide has started, but hmm. I think also, Fuji wants to be seen to be doing everything "by the book" so he can (a) maintain a moral high ground, and not come under criticism for following protocol incorrectly which could alleviate some of the blame from the schibukai, and (b) by following the rules to the letter, he is showing how ridiculously stupid the system is for not allowing him to simply stop crimes when he sees them. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6660 Posts
On May 31 2015 23:40 Raneth wrote: True, but remember fuji also wants to show the world how horrible the Schibukai system is, and perhaps its more powerful to say: "If I had not been there, that evil birdcage, made by DD would have killed thousands" instead of "Had I not arrested DD, who knows what would have happened?" Maybe? I suppose he could still do that now the genocide has started, but hmm. I think also, Fuji wants to be seen to be doing everything "by the book" so he can (a) maintain a moral high ground, and not come under criticism for following protocol incorrectly which could alleviate some of the blame from the schibukai, and (b) by following the rules to the letter, he is showing how ridiculously stupid the system is for not allowing him to simply stop crimes when he sees them. Very true I was sort of thinking the same thing. But either way he could say "Your Shichibukai was about to kill an enitre country only then was I able to step in and stop him." And bash the system that way but ya this might be a stronger case for him to make. On a note of the shichibukai system, I find it slightly odd that it is still in place. No way is Akainu cool with it given how we've seen his style of justice. We know Fuji hates it, so thats the fleet admiral and a regular Admirial who would be vehemently against the system. How has Akainu not been able to abolish it already? | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On June 01 2015 00:07 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Very true I was sort of thinking the same thing. But either way he could say "Your Shichibukai was about to kill an enitre country only then was I able to step in and stop him." And bash the system that way but ya this might be a stronger case for him to make. On a note of the shichibukai system, I find it slightly odd that it is still in place. No way is Akainu cool with it given how we've seen his style of justice. We know Fuji hates it, so thats the fleet admiral and a regular Admirial who would be vehemently against the system. How has Akainu not been able to abolish it already? why would akainu care? all he cares about is killing as many pirates as possible, and he has no problems if marines are sacrificed along the way the Shichibukai are killing pirates therefore hes fine with it | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On May 31 2015 22:27 Raneth wrote: Yeah, and at the the moment he decided to help pushing the cage, he (afaik) did not yet know that it would not make much of a difference.Fuji is playing by the rules, he is not allowed to kill dofla as far as I understand it, but he also wants to save lives, slowing the bird cage down can help do that. That is how I understood it anyway. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6660 Posts
On June 01 2015 00:28 Forikorder wrote: why would akainu care? all he cares about is killing as many pirates as possible, and he has no problems if marines are sacrificed along the way the Shichibukai are killing pirates therefore hes fine with it I think you're confusing Akainu with Zephyr from the movie...... While both are willing to sacrifice to kill pirates, Akainu is about absolute justice, there is no justice in pardoning pirates just because they do your dirty work. | ||
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