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kemoryan
Spain1506 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8937 Posts
how does a stringcage closing in have the same effect as reinforced concrete walls closing in? reinforced concrete is probably an understatement too when you look at the birdcage's actual strength (seemingly unbreakable) so many plot holes | ||
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
I very very unlikely to be true thought but a thought nonetheless. Sea stone is indestructible and the birdcage is also indestructible. We have see that devil's fruit powers can move or manipulate sea stone before. we have seen devils fruit powers used under water. so manipulation of seastone is not unheard of. Doffy is an awakened DF user allowing him to turn certain objects into strings. So he turned seastone into the cage. This would explain why zoro/admirial are not cutting it but moving it with haki. Why the factory can push it and why barto's indestructible barrier can push it. I know its a stretch in fact a HUGE stretch but just a thought. It however does not explain how he can put little effort into it and still have the entire damn county needed to push back. | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
As for seastone string seastone is supposed to be a rare material even though the factory is made of it. The string also pops out of DD's hand which I don't think DD could do if the string had seastone properties. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2555 Posts
He's not the only one though. All the Admirals can freeze/burn/blow up entire armies. Whitebeard can split an island in two and create a tsunami. Hell, even Pica who isn't close to being the strongest can annihilate entire cities without breaking a sweat. Stop whining about the birdcage. Yes, Zoro and Fujitora can probably finish Doflamingo if they wanted to. No, they're not going to. It would be disappointing and anticlimactic if someone else landed the finishing blow on Doflamingo and it would also kill all of the tension in the scene if someone destroyed the birdcage. It's there as a plot device to bring the people together literally and figuratively. But it's coming down in 1-2 chapters so whatever. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On June 01 2015 00:41 Necro)Phagist( wrote: I think you're confusing Akainu with Zephyr from the movie...... While both are willing to sacrifice to kill pirates, Akainu is about absolute justice, there is no justice in pardoning pirates just because they do your dirty work. he had no problem using pirates in the war, manipulating the dude who stabbed whitebeard | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On June 01 2015 09:36 BlackMagister wrote: The more people try to explain birdcage the with things like haki infusion, lot of prep or even seastone the more it seems ridiculous DD doesn't use that level of string to fight Luffy. Luffy's G4 broke DD's awakened string which was a huge bundle of strings, but the birdcage seems even stronger than that with a single strand or multiple strands that are very thin. As for seastone string seastone is supposed to be a rare material even though the factory is made of it. The string also pops out of DD's hand which I don't think DD could do if the string had seastone properties. luffy's target was Mingo's body, haki is needed to defend his body, he already has been spending shit ton of haki on the birdcage, can't afford to spread any thinner than he is doing. So he choose block with his face and body till luffy run out of strength. And i also remember Mingo's birdcage came out of his hand when he activated it. It can't be seastone, which means the remaining choice is he coated with haki. | ||
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Raneth
England527 Posts
On June 01 2015 13:39 Hyperbola wrote: I'm not all that mad about the birdcage like everyone else seems to be. Doflamingo is a top-tier world class fighter and has had his devil fruit for 30-something years. It's not all that surprising that he can do crazy shit with it. He's not the only one though. All the Admirals can freeze/burn/blow up entire armies. Whitebeard can split an island in two and create a tsunami. Hell, even Pica who isn't close to being the strongest can annihilate entire cities without breaking a sweat. Stop whining about the birdcage. Yes, Zoro and Fujitora can probably finish Doflamingo if they wanted to. No, they're not going to. It would be disappointing and anticlimactic if someone else landed the finishing blow on Doflamingo and it would also kill all of the tension in the scene if someone destroyed the birdcage. It's there as a plot device to bring the people together literally and figuratively. But it's coming down in 1-2 chapters so whatever. The issue isnt that the bird cage has huge aoe that can take out loads of no-names, the issue is that -top tier characters- are being over powered by the aoe. Think about the characters you listed, Whitebeard stopped one the giant meteor's with ease. Hawk eyes cut the giant Ice wall with ease, Kuzan froze the giant tidal wave with ease, Fuji summons giant meteors? Doffy and Law cut them with ease. These powerful characters all have "big aoe moves" but never before has their big aoe move effortlessly cleaned up so many strong fighters with so little effort. The "bird cage" itself, is not a dumb idea. The bird cage being seemingly indestructible with a greater pushing force than everybody else pushing against it combined (even though they're slowing it down it is -still- getting smaller) -is- stupid. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8937 Posts
the main problem with the bird cage is that theres no logic to the ability. no matter how you try and justify the birdcage being an appropriate move for someone of doflamingos status, it just doesnt work. with the current birdcage whitebeard himself (or blackbeard) wouldnt be able to do shit to do it. at least thats what it looks like atm | ||
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vndestiny
Singapore3473 Posts
On the other hand the owner of the cage failed to do any damage to Luffy in gear 4 formed, or remotely did any harm or intimidated the Admiral earlier. The Birdcage is way out of Doffy's league. | ||
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
On June 01 2015 14:58 rei wrote: luffy's target was Mingo's body, haki is needed to defend his body, he already has been spending shit ton of haki on the birdcage, can't afford to spread any thinner than he is doing. So he choose block with his face and body till luffy run out of strength. And i also remember Mingo's birdcage came out of his hand when he activated it. It can't be seastone, which means the remaining choice is he coated with haki. I still think my theory about sea stone is unlikely but just pointing out that we don't know where the string that formed the birdcage came from. His clone could of had some in it sea stone in it. But he is able to manipulate where it goes and thus why zoro is not able to cut it. If the ability had no downside whatsoever he would of used it at marineford who cares if some marines die i mean if he elimined the whitebeard pirates and all of the high rank strong marines since they were all there that would seem to accomplish his goal of seeing the world burn. http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/745/11 The one in the flash back however i would agree with you that it is impossible for that one to have seastone because that one came from his hand. | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
On June 01 2015 14:58 rei wrote: luffy's target was Mingo's body, haki is needed to defend his body, he already has been spending shit ton of haki on the birdcage, can't afford to spread any thinner than he is doing. So he choose block with his face and body till luffy run out of strength. And i also remember Mingo's birdcage came out of his hand when he activated it. It can't be seastone, which means the remaining choice is he coated with haki. We don't know if haki is being infused into birdcage and likely never will. Though if it were haki he should have still used it for himself because being able to stop so many strong character should make him Yonkou level, but I guess you can say DD was arrogant. It probably is not haki though as there doesn't seem to be any room for explanations or twist at this point. Birdcage will not be explained fully and DD is going to be stalled by characters for Luffy to pull off his last attack. | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
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Mosoball
Finland686 Posts
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On June 02 2015 04:07 KalWarkov wrote: I assume the Birdcage is so incredibly strong, cuz Doflamingo had years to work on it for a situation like this on his island. it's not something he just happen to create out of a sudden He did birdcage in the flashback on a random island though, so that's not true. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
On June 02 2015 05:05 killa_robot wrote: He did birdcage in the flashback on a random island though, so that's not true. who is to say that both birdcages were the same strength? | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On June 01 2015 22:15 evilfatsh1t wrote: fujitora hasnt done shit all the whole arc so i dont know how hes already expended himself the main problem with the bird cage is that theres no logic to the ability. no matter how you try and justify the birdcage being an appropriate move for someone of doflamingos status, it just doesnt work. with the current birdcage whitebeard himself (or blackbeard) wouldnt be able to do shit to do it. at least thats what it looks like atm What about fight Sabo to a draw? And then afterwards they both act tired? | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8937 Posts
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