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It's just that it's pointless to critic how irrational One Piece is, of all things...
In One Piece there is no 1vsMany, because first, it's lame (I actually agree, fucking dishonorable xD), second Doflamingo actually crushed a bunch of nabs in chapter 787 just to show you that it's pointless. So it has to be 1vs1 with Doflamingo. Sabo is busy, so the only guys who could probably do it are Zoro and the Admiral, who are currently busy holding the cage, and pretty far away from the big boss. If they didn't hold the cage and instead run off to Dofla, I'd guess many people would die (that's at least what Oda wants us to believe). I mean, all in all, it's not THAT dumb.
Viola is the usual sacrificial underdog, it's not like it's anything new.
Plus, Luffy only needs 10 minutes, it's not that long. To us it's like 2 weeks, but 10 minutes is pretty fucking fast when Luffy promises with that badassness of his that he will finish it for sure after that duration. It would actually most likely take longer for anyone holding the cage to even reach Doflamingo.
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On May 28 2015 21:07 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 20:47 Racket wrote:On May 28 2015 20:37 Forikorder wrote:On May 28 2015 20:33 Racket wrote:
guys, your arguments are so dumb. there is people in real life standing in front of tanks.
why can't viola stand up to doffy if she is the closest one even if that means she will die needlessly?
why do you assume everyone knows whats happening anywhere else?
is zoro informed about luffy's need for recovery?
only three minutes where necessary for the bird cage to completely close and thanks to everyone else's effort it got delayed for what may seem two or more minutes.
if zoro or anybody else left their posts (pushing the cage as we see in this chapter) to fight doffy the bird cage would be finished by now. Zoros has been working on stopping the cage since poundman if he instead went to check on Luffy doffy would be dead and the cage removed or if the admiral decided to actually protect the civilians himself instead of relying on pirates also its really annoying that Zoro, Franky, Bart, a giant a bunch of mooks and an admiral all pushing as hard as they can are incapable of stopping something that Dofla seems to be expending 0 effort maintaining Again, everyone had their priorities and they usually have confidence in each other "you do that and I do this". With your argument then why don't they carry some seastone cuffs and just bully anyone, get the cuffs and problem solved. We don't even know why the admiral hasn't stepped forward, but we have already seen doffy ordering him not to interfere so not every character behaves as you would and we are not aware of every thing going on in the background. If you are so good at writing mangas then go ahead and write one. Why do you people even read this if you are so whiny? so either something is perfect and theres nothing to critic about it or its not worth reading?
No, there are critics and there is whining, most critics I read are more whining than critics.
Why? I will tell you:
Every time a critic is made from the point of view of perfection it is whether you like it or not, off the mark. My point with the seastone cuffs is a valid argument that can be used against almost any critic (whining) that I am referencing.
If you were to critic the development of the story from the point of view where anything can be done better then that in itself can be also done better and that kills the point of a story being written.
On the other hand if you were to do the same but taking into account the effects that realism has on anything and everything then you are accepting that flaws are part of every thinking process and decision making ability of characters, given that you then realize that Luffy thought he could deal with Doffy (ignoring his own lack of knowledge about his enemy and based purely in feelings, will power and confidence) as well as he believed Traffy could deal with Doffy and let him try.
The same goes for every other character that put their trust in Luffy's ability to overcome the current difficulty he is facing.
When reality hits you in the face and tells you "you were wrong", in this case you need to recover and the people you are fighting for decide to step forward to buy you the needed time so you can then end it.
Third parties (in this case the Admiral) are out of question because we don't know what drives them and we can't properly asses the value and sense of their decisions and actions.
On May 28 2015 21:17 ZenithM wrote:
It's just that it's pointless to critic how irrational One Piece is, of all things...
In One Piece there is no 1vsMany, because first, it's lame (I actually agree, fucking dishonorable xD), second Doflamingo actually crushed a bunch of nabs in chapter 787 just to show you that it's pointless. So it has to be 1vs1 with Doflamingo. Sabo is busy, so the only guys who could probably do it are Zoro and the Admiral, who are currently busy holding the cage, and pretty far away from the big boss. If they didn't hold the cage and instead run off to Dofla, I'd guess many people would die (that's at least what Oda wants us to believe). I mean, all in all, it's not THAT dumb.
Viola is the usual sacrificial underdog, it's not like it's anything new.
Plus, Luffy only needs 10 minutes, it's not that long. To us it's like 2 weeks, but 10 minutes is pretty fucking fast when Luffy promises with that badassness of his that he will finish it for sure after that duration. It would actually most likely take longer for anyone holding the cage to even reach Doflamingo.
Exactly, well done.
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Issho who is an Admiral not able to break Birdcage?
The guy was tossing meteors from space to earth effortlessly with his gravity powers.
Really now?
DD OP.Guess that's why he isn't afraid to fight Admirals.
Overall this arc has been an disappointment and is just a poor man version of Alabasta arc.
I just hope this is just a mid-life crisis for Oda.
It will really suck if it went the way of Bleach and Naruto.
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On May 28 2015 22:02 FakeDeath wrote:
Issho who is an Admiral not able to break Birdcage?
The guy was tossing meteors from space to earth effortlessly with his gravity powers.
Really now?
DD OP.Guess that's why he isn't afraid to fight Admirals.
Overall this arc has been an disappointment and is just a poor man version of Alabasta arc.
I just hope this is just a mid-life crisis for Oda.
It will really suck if it went the way of Bleach and Naruto.
The meteors got cut by the bird cage if you remember.
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On May 28 2015 22:06 Racket wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 22:02 FakeDeath wrote:
Issho who is an Admiral not able to break Birdcage?
The guy was tossing meteors from space to earth effortlessly with his gravity powers.
Really now?
DD OP.Guess that's why he isn't afraid to fight Admirals.
Overall this arc has been an disappointment and is just a poor man version of Alabasta arc.
I just hope this is just a mid-life crisis for Oda.
It will really suck if it went the way of Bleach and Naruto. The meteors got cut by the bird cage if you remember.
I am implying that his gravity powers should be able to stop Birdcage considering he is an Admiral.
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On May 28 2015 22:10 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 22:06 Racket wrote:On May 28 2015 22:02 FakeDeath wrote:
Issho who is an Admiral not able to break Birdcage?
The guy was tossing meteors from space to earth effortlessly with his gravity powers.
Really now?
DD OP.Guess that's why he isn't afraid to fight Admirals.
Overall this arc has been an disappointment and is just a poor man version of Alabasta arc.
I just hope this is just a mid-life crisis for Oda.
It will really suck if it went the way of Bleach and Naruto. The meteors got cut by the bird cage if you remember. I am implying that his gravity powers should be able to stop Birdcage considering he is an Admiral.
I am stating that he already tried to do something and found himself not able to do it.
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On May 28 2015 21:27 Racket wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 21:07 Forikorder wrote:On May 28 2015 20:47 Racket wrote:On May 28 2015 20:37 Forikorder wrote:On May 28 2015 20:33 Racket wrote:
guys, your arguments are so dumb. there is people in real life standing in front of tanks.
why can't viola stand up to doffy if she is the closest one even if that means she will die needlessly?
why do you assume everyone knows whats happening anywhere else?
is zoro informed about luffy's need for recovery?
only three minutes where necessary for the bird cage to completely close and thanks to everyone else's effort it got delayed for what may seem two or more minutes.
if zoro or anybody else left their posts (pushing the cage as we see in this chapter) to fight doffy the bird cage would be finished by now. Zoros has been working on stopping the cage since poundman if he instead went to check on Luffy doffy would be dead and the cage removed or if the admiral decided to actually protect the civilians himself instead of relying on pirates also its really annoying that Zoro, Franky, Bart, a giant a bunch of mooks and an admiral all pushing as hard as they can are incapable of stopping something that Dofla seems to be expending 0 effort maintaining Again, everyone had their priorities and they usually have confidence in each other "you do that and I do this". With your argument then why don't they carry some seastone cuffs and just bully anyone, get the cuffs and problem solved. We don't even know why the admiral hasn't stepped forward, but we have already seen doffy ordering him not to interfere so not every character behaves as you would and we are not aware of every thing going on in the background. If you are so good at writing mangas then go ahead and write one. Why do you people even read this if you are so whiny? so either something is perfect and theres nothing to critic about it or its not worth reading? No, there are critics and there is whining, most critics I read are more whining than critics. Why? I will tell you: Every time a critic is made from the point of view of perfection it is whether you like it or not, off the mark. My point with the seastone cuffs is a valid argument that can be used against almost any critic (whining) that I am referencing. If you were to critic the development of the story from the point of view where anything can be done better then that in itself can be also done better and that kills the point of a story being written. On the other hand if you were to do the same but taking into account the effects that realism has on anything and everything then you are accepting that flaws are part of every thinking process and decision making ability of characters, given that you then realize that Luffy thought he could deal with Doffy (ignoring his own lack of knowledge about his enemy and based purely in feelings, will power and confidence) as well as he believed Traffy could deal with Doffy and let him try. The same goes for every other character that put their trust in Luffy's ability to overcome the current difficulty he is facing. When reality hits you in the face and tells you "you were wrong", in this case you need to recover and the people you are fighting for decide to step forward to buy you the needed time so you can then end it. Third parties (in this case the Admiral) are out of question because we don't know what drives them and we can't properly asses the value and sense of their decisions and actions. Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 21:17 ZenithM wrote:
It's just that it's pointless to critic how irrational One Piece is, of all things...
In One Piece there is no 1vsMany, because first, it's lame (I actually agree, fucking dishonorable xD), second Doflamingo actually crushed a bunch of nabs in chapter 787 just to show you that it's pointless. So it has to be 1vs1 with Doflamingo. Sabo is busy, so the only guys who could probably do it are Zoro and the Admiral, who are currently busy holding the cage, and pretty far away from the big boss. If they didn't hold the cage and instead run off to Dofla, I'd guess many people would die (that's at least what Oda wants us to believe). I mean, all in all, it's not THAT dumb.
Viola is the usual sacrificial underdog, it's not like it's anything new.
Plus, Luffy only needs 10 minutes, it's not that long. To us it's like 2 weeks, but 10 minutes is pretty fucking fast when Luffy promises with that badassness of his that he will finish it for sure after that duration. It would actually most likely take longer for anyone holding the cage to even reach Doflamingo. Exactly, well done.
Dolfamingo having a seemignly effortless aoe move that cannot be stopped by even just the admiral on his own is poor writing, and that is anoying people:
Are his strings indestructible? Then why could people kill his string clone? And why doesn't he make invincible string armour?
Is he coating his strings in haki? How would he possible be able to maintain this much haki with enough force to stop zoro and an admiral while also fighting Luffy?
This birdcage thing smacks of "I want a countdown to make things more exciting" and it has led to a poorly conceived ability with seemingly no weaknesses which is stronger in pushing force than all of the big shots fighting against it.
It is poorly written, I still like one piece, I do not like this bit of one piece which has been thrown into the mix, deal with it.
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On May 28 2015 22:15 Raneth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 21:27 Racket wrote:On May 28 2015 21:07 Forikorder wrote:On May 28 2015 20:47 Racket wrote:On May 28 2015 20:37 Forikorder wrote:On May 28 2015 20:33 Racket wrote:
guys, your arguments are so dumb. there is people in real life standing in front of tanks.
why can't viola stand up to doffy if she is the closest one even if that means she will die needlessly?
why do you assume everyone knows whats happening anywhere else?
is zoro informed about luffy's need for recovery?
only three minutes where necessary for the bird cage to completely close and thanks to everyone else's effort it got delayed for what may seem two or more minutes.
if zoro or anybody else left their posts (pushing the cage as we see in this chapter) to fight doffy the bird cage would be finished by now. Zoros has been working on stopping the cage since poundman if he instead went to check on Luffy doffy would be dead and the cage removed or if the admiral decided to actually protect the civilians himself instead of relying on pirates also its really annoying that Zoro, Franky, Bart, a giant a bunch of mooks and an admiral all pushing as hard as they can are incapable of stopping something that Dofla seems to be expending 0 effort maintaining Again, everyone had their priorities and they usually have confidence in each other "you do that and I do this". With your argument then why don't they carry some seastone cuffs and just bully anyone, get the cuffs and problem solved. We don't even know why the admiral hasn't stepped forward, but we have already seen doffy ordering him not to interfere so not every character behaves as you would and we are not aware of every thing going on in the background. If you are so good at writing mangas then go ahead and write one. Why do you people even read this if you are so whiny? so either something is perfect and theres nothing to critic about it or its not worth reading? No, there are critics and there is whining, most critics I read are more whining than critics. Why? I will tell you: Every time a critic is made from the point of view of perfection it is whether you like it or not, off the mark. My point with the seastone cuffs is a valid argument that can be used against almost any critic (whining) that I am referencing. If you were to critic the development of the story from the point of view where anything can be done better then that in itself can be also done better and that kills the point of a story being written. On the other hand if you were to do the same but taking into account the effects that realism has on anything and everything then you are accepting that flaws are part of every thinking process and decision making ability of characters, given that you then realize that Luffy thought he could deal with Doffy (ignoring his own lack of knowledge about his enemy and based purely in feelings, will power and confidence) as well as he believed Traffy could deal with Doffy and let him try. The same goes for every other character that put their trust in Luffy's ability to overcome the current difficulty he is facing. When reality hits you in the face and tells you "you were wrong", in this case you need to recover and the people you are fighting for decide to step forward to buy you the needed time so you can then end it. Third parties (in this case the Admiral) are out of question because we don't know what drives them and we can't properly asses the value and sense of their decisions and actions. On May 28 2015 21:17 ZenithM wrote:
It's just that it's pointless to critic how irrational One Piece is, of all things...
In One Piece there is no 1vsMany, because first, it's lame (I actually agree, fucking dishonorable xD), second Doflamingo actually crushed a bunch of nabs in chapter 787 just to show you that it's pointless. So it has to be 1vs1 with Doflamingo. Sabo is busy, so the only guys who could probably do it are Zoro and the Admiral, who are currently busy holding the cage, and pretty far away from the big boss. If they didn't hold the cage and instead run off to Dofla, I'd guess many people would die (that's at least what Oda wants us to believe). I mean, all in all, it's not THAT dumb.
Viola is the usual sacrificial underdog, it's not like it's anything new.
Plus, Luffy only needs 10 minutes, it's not that long. To us it's like 2 weeks, but 10 minutes is pretty fucking fast when Luffy promises with that badassness of his that he will finish it for sure after that duration. It would actually most likely take longer for anyone holding the cage to even reach Doflamingo. Exactly, well done. Dolfamingo having a seemignly effortless aoe move that cannot be stopped by even just the admiral on his own is poor writing, and that is anoying people: Are his strings indestructible? Then why could people kill his string clone? And why doesn't he make invincible string armour? Is he coating his strings in haki? How would he possible be able to maintain this much haki with enough force to stop zoro and an admiral while also fighting Luffy? This birdcage thing smacks of "I want a countdown to make things more exciting" and it has led to a poorly conceived ability with seemingly no weaknesses which is stronger in pushing force than all of the big shots fighting against it. It is poorly written, I still like one piece, I do not like this bit of one piece which has been thrown into the mix, deal with it.
That is fair, but you are one of a few that can correctly criticize One piece.
Edit: I don't know, it also hits me this stupid bird cage move. The Admiral and Zoro not being able to cut through it or whatever could just mean that Doffy is stronger than them.
The difference between the cage and the clone I don't know but if I were Doffy I would make the clone just the same (makes sense uh?). Maybe it has something to do with the complexity of the object, no one was able to detect the clone as a clone.
How is he able to maintain it I also don't know, seems pretty dumb but it could be that it is not controlled anymore and we have to remember that Doffy reached a fruit level not know until then, even the buildings turned into strings :S so we don't have a clue about the extent of this state.
But all in all it could all relate to poor effort on the side of Oda.
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what happened to one piece  it used to be so good, this is by far the worst arc in all of one piece
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On May 28 2015 22:10 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 22:06 Racket wrote:On May 28 2015 22:02 FakeDeath wrote:
Issho who is an Admiral not able to break Birdcage?
The guy was tossing meteors from space to earth effortlessly with his gravity powers.
Really now?
DD OP.Guess that's why he isn't afraid to fight Admirals.
Overall this arc has been an disappointment and is just a poor man version of Alabasta arc.
I just hope this is just a mid-life crisis for Oda.
It will really suck if it went the way of Bleach and Naruto. The meteors got cut by the bird cage if you remember. I am implying that his gravity powers should be able to stop Birdcage considering he is an Admiral.
Doflamingo is on Admiral level sooooooo no.
It's not poorly written, Doflamingo is just bossing and that makes you all angry. If you get annoyed by Dof's powers then wait till SH&Law fights against Yonkou ^_^
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On May 28 2015 22:29 Mensol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 22:10 FakeDeath wrote:On May 28 2015 22:06 Racket wrote:On May 28 2015 22:02 FakeDeath wrote:
Issho who is an Admiral not able to break Birdcage?
The guy was tossing meteors from space to earth effortlessly with his gravity powers.
Really now?
DD OP.Guess that's why he isn't afraid to fight Admirals.
Overall this arc has been an disappointment and is just a poor man version of Alabasta arc.
I just hope this is just a mid-life crisis for Oda.
It will really suck if it went the way of Bleach and Naruto. The meteors got cut by the bird cage if you remember. I am implying that his gravity powers should be able to stop Birdcage considering he is an Admiral. Doflamingo is on Admiral level sooooooo no. It's not poorly written, Doflamingo is just bossing and that makes you all angry. If you get annoyed by Dof's powers then wait till SH&Law fights against Yonkou ^_^
Or think about how Shanks lost an arm while saving Luffy. Was Shanks really that weak that time? Was that beast that strong?
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
While I am still enjoying OP and have enjoyed the arc am I the only one that feels it's dragged on a bit?
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On May 28 2015 22:36 Racket wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 22:29 Mensol wrote:On May 28 2015 22:10 FakeDeath wrote:On May 28 2015 22:06 Racket wrote:On May 28 2015 22:02 FakeDeath wrote:
Issho who is an Admiral not able to break Birdcage?
The guy was tossing meteors from space to earth effortlessly with his gravity powers.
Really now?
DD OP.Guess that's why he isn't afraid to fight Admirals.
Overall this arc has been an disappointment and is just a poor man version of Alabasta arc.
I just hope this is just a mid-life crisis for Oda.
It will really suck if it went the way of Bleach and Naruto. The meteors got cut by the bird cage if you remember. I am implying that his gravity powers should be able to stop Birdcage considering he is an Admiral. Doflamingo is on Admiral level sooooooo no. It's not poorly written, Doflamingo is just bossing and that makes you all angry. If you get annoyed by Dof's powers then wait till SH&Law fights against Yonkou ^_^ Or think about how Shanks lost an arm while saving Luffy. Was Shanks really that weak that time? Was that beast that strong?
how is this even related l o l.
Shanks came out from nowhere while saving Luffy so its no use to make comment on it.
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The chapter feels really draggy now. Also alot of characters really illogical because shonen plot armor =/
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
no feels here
i do like admiral-kun
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I think this arc is better and more entertaining than the previous one. Yes, birdcage is contrived, but it does add excitement. 
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On May 28 2015 22:39 Mensol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 22:36 Racket wrote:On May 28 2015 22:29 Mensol wrote:On May 28 2015 22:10 FakeDeath wrote:On May 28 2015 22:06 Racket wrote:On May 28 2015 22:02 FakeDeath wrote:
Issho who is an Admiral not able to break Birdcage?
The guy was tossing meteors from space to earth effortlessly with his gravity powers.
Really now?
DD OP.Guess that's why he isn't afraid to fight Admirals.
Overall this arc has been an disappointment and is just a poor man version of Alabasta arc.
I just hope this is just a mid-life crisis for Oda.
It will really suck if it went the way of Bleach and Naruto. The meteors got cut by the bird cage if you remember. I am implying that his gravity powers should be able to stop Birdcage considering he is an Admiral. Doflamingo is on Admiral level sooooooo no. It's not poorly written, Doflamingo is just bossing and that makes you all angry. If you get annoyed by Dof's powers then wait till SH&Law fights against Yonkou ^_^ Or think about how Shanks lost an arm while saving Luffy. Was Shanks really that weak that time? Was that beast that strong? how is this even related l o l. Shanks came out from nowhere while saving Luffy so its no use to make comment on it.
Angry readers can relate everything, Shanks is supposedly super strong, how come he lost an arm like that? Wasn't he able to use Haki back then?
I don't care tho, he can lose his ass for what I care. It was just a reminder to angry readers that are always worse thing to criticize.
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I think it's been cover a 100 times even on this forum but Oda has said that he regrets making Shanks lose his arm.
It's indeed a bit boring lately, but next chapter or 2 will be Sabo > Burgress and DF> Voila and then final fight. It's silly how the Admiral suddenly stopped fighting Sabo and now joins Zoro instead of going to DF.
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It's has been cover at least 100 times and no one sent a source about it.
Racket
@Forikorder see? im a good person. im not bringing the old posts where you say Fuji or Zoro can easily destroy Bird Cage when its necessary ^_^ you should stop trolling me since im a good guy.
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On May 28 2015 23:20 Mensol wrote:It's has been cover at least 100 times and no one sent a source about it. Racket@Forikorder see? im a good person. im not bringing the old posts where you say Fuji or Zoro can easily destroy Bird Cage when its necessary ^_^ you should stop trolling me since im a good guy.
What does that gif mean? Why is my nickname there? All good between you and me?
Off topic: She is hot.
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