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On August 03 2010 13:10 iloahz wrote: wait, so what's gin's motivation in killing aizen?
There is none. The author simply just doesn't know what the fuck he is doing and comes up with each week's chapter ending the night before it's due for submission with whatever the fuck shit he can think of. I am 100% confident he doesn't know where the fuck he is going with the story himself and just makes it up as he goes along, hence why it's so shit.
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On August 03 2010 14:06 Slardarxt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2010 19:34 Juicyfruit wrote: Does the author even think things through or does he just draw everything while high? HA! Bleach in a nutshell. I'm still in awe how popular this drivel IS and has become, seriously if he just ended it with it was all a dream of Ichigo's OR a Nuke comes down and kills everyone you wouldn't even care. No story, and Plot holes thicker than any Swiss Cheese.
ROFLMAO, so true.
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On August 03 2010 14:06 Slardarxt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2010 19:34 Juicyfruit wrote: Does the author even think things through or does he just draw everything while high? HA! Bleach in a nutshell. I'm still in awe how popular this drivel IS and has become, seriously if he just ended it with it was all a dream of Ichigo's OR a Nuke comes down and kills everyone you wouldn't even care. No story, and Plot holes thicker than any Swiss Cheese. Prediction A: Most likely as we are all expecting, Aizen reveals some garbage does this does that hopefully doesn't kill Gin. Perhaps Ichigo finally finishes his training, some filler inbetween and a cliffhanger ending as usual. Prediction Badass: Kenpachi comes in and curbstomps everyone. Probably the best ending imo. Dammit Slardarxt now I'm completely hoping for some Inception-ending or a random nuke. If it doesn't happen I'm going to be crushed. + Show Spoiler +which is pretty much how I feel after I read Bleach every week. Thankfully, there's One Piece... but to drag me down again, there's Naruto -_-
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On August 03 2010 15:37 Pineapple wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2010 13:10 iloahz wrote: wait, so what's gin's motivation in killing aizen? There is none. The author simply just doesn't know what the fuck he is doing and comes up with each week's chapter ending the night before it's due for submission with whatever the fuck shit he can think of. I am 100% confident he doesn't know where the fuck he is going with the story himself and just makes it up as he goes along, hence why it's so shit.
He's confirmed that he makes it up as he goes in interviews, and when he gets stuck on something he adds more characters. It's a crappy way to write, but that's how WSJ is basically. Read Bakuman and you'll get an idea, it's the only Jump series I really follow anymore.
Basically an author starts with a concept and releases a few short story arcs that are only a couple chapters in length and then they are forced to react to fan questionnaires and compete in rankings with the other series in WSJ. So basically there's a period of about 6 months to a year right after a series premiers where the fanbase is unstable and the story can't really delve into anything too drawn out or interesting until it has a secure spot within the top half of the currently running series.
Evidence of this can be seen in the beginning of Bleach during the first Karakura arc, and the beginning of Yu Yu Hakusho during the Spirit Detective Arc. Both series start off with a bunch of short stories and then move into longer more interesting arcs.
From there the authors need to defend their positions against all the new series that enter the magazine which can be close to a dozen each year, in a magazine that runs about 20 total. Therefor popular characters get more appearances and become stronger than they are initially revealed to be (Hitsugaya), those character rankings aren't just for fun.
Another useful tool for the Author to attempt to cheaply and quickly gain an edge in the rankings is a surprise ending to a chapter, but with each chapter only sporting about 20 pages it becomes excessive as each and every chapter ends with some new character showing up with his identity obscured or someone getting hit by a massive attack and the result being hidden in a cloud of dust. Once or twice these are cool, but 40 something of these a year leads to repetitiveness, and after someone survives that cloud of dust for the 5th time you begin to suspect that nobody will ever die on the last page of a chapter.
What I'm saying is that on average we shouldn't expect any series of this format to be very good, because very little can be planned in advance with so much sway from the fans. There is the rare occasion where a series can do what it wants and follow a bigger picture, but that series needs to have one hell of a foothold on the upper rankings, and even then there's the chance of the series being asked to extend beyond its originally planned ending, such as what happened with Death Note, which was never planned to go beyond L.
I'll be sticking with Bleach into the end though, just because I want to finally see what happens after investing this much time into it, and it only takes about 5 minutes a week and is something to look forward to.
Seriously though, just go read Berserk or Gantz.
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On August 03 2010 14:06 Slardarxt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2010 19:34 Juicyfruit wrote: Does the author even think things through or does he just draw everything while high? HA! Bleach in a nutshell. I'm still in awe how popular this drivel IS and has become, seriously if he just ended it with it was all a dream of Ichigo's OR a Nuke comes down and kills everyone you wouldn't even care. No story, and Plot holes thicker than any Swiss Cheese. Prediction A: Most likely as we are all expecting, Aizen reveals some garbage does this does that hopefully doesn't kill Gin. Perhaps Ichigo finally finishes his training, some filler inbetween and a cliffhanger ending as usual. Prediction Badass: Kenpachi comes in and curbstomps everyone. Probably the best ending imo.
Aizen: Kyoka Suigetsu, lol. I lied. That's not really my zan's weakness. (Then 10 more pages of drivel about how awesome he is)
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On August 04 2010 03:20 Greggle wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2010 15:37 Pineapple wrote:On August 03 2010 13:10 iloahz wrote: wait, so what's gin's motivation in killing aizen? There is none. The author simply just doesn't know what the fuck he is doing and comes up with each week's chapter ending the night before it's due for submission with whatever the fuck shit he can think of. I am 100% confident he doesn't know where the fuck he is going with the story himself and just makes it up as he goes along, hence why it's so shit. He's confirmed that he makes it up as he goes in interviews, and when he gets stuck on something he adds more characters. It's a crappy way to write, but that's how WSJ is basically. Read Bakuman and you'll get an idea, it's the only Jump series I really follow anymore. Basically an author starts with a concept and releases a few short story arcs that are only a couple chapters in length and then they are forced to react to fan questionnaires and compete in rankings with the other series in WSJ. So basically there's a period of about 6 months to a year right after a series premiers where the fanbase is unstable and the story can't really delve into anything too drawn out or interesting until it has a secure spot within the top half of the currently running series. Evidence of this can be seen in the beginning of Bleach during the first Karakura arc, and the beginning of Yu Yu Hakusho during the Spirit Detective Arc. Both series start off with a bunch of short stories and then move into longer more interesting arcs. From there the authors need to defend their positions against all the new series that enter the magazine which can be close to a dozen each year, in a magazine that runs about 20 total. Therefor popular characters get more appearances and become stronger than they are initially revealed to be (Hitsugaya), those character rankings aren't just for fun. Another useful tool for the Author to attempt to cheaply and quickly gain an edge in the rankings is a surprise ending to a chapter, but with each chapter only sporting about 20 pages it becomes excessive as each and every chapter ends with some new character showing up with his identity obscured or someone getting hit by a massive attack and the result being hidden in a cloud of dust. Once or twice these are cool, but 40 something of these a year leads to repetitiveness, and after someone survives that cloud of dust for the 5th time you begin to suspect that nobody will ever die on the last page of a chapter. What I'm saying is that on average we shouldn't expect any series of this format to be very good, because very little can be planned in advance with so much sway from the fans. There is the rare occasion where a series can do what it wants and follow a bigger picture, but that series needs to have one hell of a foothold on the upper rankings, and even then there's the chance of the series being asked to extend beyond its originally planned ending, such as what happened with Death Note, which was never planned to go beyond L. I'll be sticking with Bleach into the end though, just because I want to finally see what happens after investing this much time into it, and it only takes about 5 minutes a week and is something to look forward to. Seriously though, just go read Berserk or Gantz.
It still doesn't explain how bad Bleach's plot and story is. Even Naruto has moments when the story is really good and the story is rarely as bad as how Bleach has been for the last 3 years or so. The flashback arc that just ended in Naruto was really good.
What is surprising was that I thought Bleach's first arc (the entire Soul Society arc) was actually pretty good. Personally, it was better than Naruto back then. It just went completely downhill from there starting with the Hueco Mundo arc.
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Bleach should've ended after the soul society arc. It just went downhill from there.
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I don't think Bleach has been doing well in the rankings at all for the past year or so or am I wrong? The problem is lack of motivation / direction than a jump issue. I can't really understand why other than kubo wanting his series to be cancelled / forced to be put to an end so he can start writing what he really wants. Or he's just a lazy terrible money-grubbing author. I can't tell which, but its certain Bleach has steadily been declining in quality for the past couple years.
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On August 04 2010 04:45 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 03:20 Greggle wrote:On August 03 2010 15:37 Pineapple wrote:On August 03 2010 13:10 iloahz wrote: wait, so what's gin's motivation in killing aizen? There is none. The author simply just doesn't know what the fuck he is doing and comes up with each week's chapter ending the night before it's due for submission with whatever the fuck shit he can think of. I am 100% confident he doesn't know where the fuck he is going with the story himself and just makes it up as he goes along, hence why it's so shit. He's confirmed that he makes it up as he goes in interviews, and when he gets stuck on something he adds more characters. It's a crappy way to write, but that's how WSJ is basically. Read Bakuman and you'll get an idea, it's the only Jump series I really follow anymore. Basically an author starts with a concept and releases a few short story arcs that are only a couple chapters in length and then they are forced to react to fan questionnaires and compete in rankings with the other series in WSJ. So basically there's a period of about 6 months to a year right after a series premiers where the fanbase is unstable and the story can't really delve into anything too drawn out or interesting until it has a secure spot within the top half of the currently running series. Evidence of this can be seen in the beginning of Bleach during the first Karakura arc, and the beginning of Yu Yu Hakusho during the Spirit Detective Arc. Both series start off with a bunch of short stories and then move into longer more interesting arcs. From there the authors need to defend their positions against all the new series that enter the magazine which can be close to a dozen each year, in a magazine that runs about 20 total. Therefor popular characters get more appearances and become stronger than they are initially revealed to be (Hitsugaya), those character rankings aren't just for fun. Another useful tool for the Author to attempt to cheaply and quickly gain an edge in the rankings is a surprise ending to a chapter, but with each chapter only sporting about 20 pages it becomes excessive as each and every chapter ends with some new character showing up with his identity obscured or someone getting hit by a massive attack and the result being hidden in a cloud of dust. Once or twice these are cool, but 40 something of these a year leads to repetitiveness, and after someone survives that cloud of dust for the 5th time you begin to suspect that nobody will ever die on the last page of a chapter. What I'm saying is that on average we shouldn't expect any series of this format to be very good, because very little can be planned in advance with so much sway from the fans. There is the rare occasion where a series can do what it wants and follow a bigger picture, but that series needs to have one hell of a foothold on the upper rankings, and even then there's the chance of the series being asked to extend beyond its originally planned ending, such as what happened with Death Note, which was never planned to go beyond L. I'll be sticking with Bleach into the end though, just because I want to finally see what happens after investing this much time into it, and it only takes about 5 minutes a week and is something to look forward to. Seriously though, just go read Berserk or Gantz. It still doesn't explain how bad Bleach's plot and story is. Even Naruto has moments when the story is really good and the story is rarely as bad as how Bleach has been for the last 3 years or so. The flashback arc that just ended in Naruto was really good. What is surprising was that I thought Bleach's first arc (the entire Soul Society arc) was actually pretty good. Personally, it was better than Naruto back then. It just went completely downhill from there starting with the Hueco Mundo arc.
Again normally in this situation i'd just say that Kishimoto is a better author (loathe as I am to see he's a better author in any capacity) but this isn't the case.
Kubo has another series that he did before Bleach, it was never finished and didn't last long but it was actually more than decent. ZombiePowder actually had the makings of a good series if it had continued.
Even without that early attempt at manga Kubo obviously isn't helpless if the SS arc is anything to go by. He's more than capable of being creative and showing us a captivating story. I think the problem is the pressure to be quite frank. Being forced to release a chapter every week and being just about forced to cater to the whims of a fan base will probably wear you down.
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On August 04 2010 04:45 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 03:20 Greggle wrote:On August 03 2010 15:37 Pineapple wrote:On August 03 2010 13:10 iloahz wrote: wait, so what's gin's motivation in killing aizen? There is none. The author simply just doesn't know what the fuck he is doing and comes up with each week's chapter ending the night before it's due for submission with whatever the fuck shit he can think of. I am 100% confident he doesn't know where the fuck he is going with the story himself and just makes it up as he goes along, hence why it's so shit. He's confirmed that he makes it up as he goes in interviews, and when he gets stuck on something he adds more characters. It's a crappy way to write, but that's how WSJ is basically. Read Bakuman and you'll get an idea, it's the only Jump series I really follow anymore. Basically an author starts with a concept and releases a few short story arcs that are only a couple chapters in length and then they are forced to react to fan questionnaires and compete in rankings with the other series in WSJ. So basically there's a period of about 6 months to a year right after a series premiers where the fanbase is unstable and the story can't really delve into anything too drawn out or interesting until it has a secure spot within the top half of the currently running series. Evidence of this can be seen in the beginning of Bleach during the first Karakura arc, and the beginning of Yu Yu Hakusho during the Spirit Detective Arc. Both series start off with a bunch of short stories and then move into longer more interesting arcs. From there the authors need to defend their positions against all the new series that enter the magazine which can be close to a dozen each year, in a magazine that runs about 20 total. Therefor popular characters get more appearances and become stronger than they are initially revealed to be (Hitsugaya), those character rankings aren't just for fun. Another useful tool for the Author to attempt to cheaply and quickly gain an edge in the rankings is a surprise ending to a chapter, but with each chapter only sporting about 20 pages it becomes excessive as each and every chapter ends with some new character showing up with his identity obscured or someone getting hit by a massive attack and the result being hidden in a cloud of dust. Once or twice these are cool, but 40 something of these a year leads to repetitiveness, and after someone survives that cloud of dust for the 5th time you begin to suspect that nobody will ever die on the last page of a chapter. What I'm saying is that on average we shouldn't expect any series of this format to be very good, because very little can be planned in advance with so much sway from the fans. There is the rare occasion where a series can do what it wants and follow a bigger picture, but that series needs to have one hell of a foothold on the upper rankings, and even then there's the chance of the series being asked to extend beyond its originally planned ending, such as what happened with Death Note, which was never planned to go beyond L. I'll be sticking with Bleach into the end though, just because I want to finally see what happens after investing this much time into it, and it only takes about 5 minutes a week and is something to look forward to. Seriously though, just go read Berserk or Gantz. It still doesn't explain how bad Bleach's plot and story is. Even Naruto has moments when the story is really good and the story is rarely as bad as how Bleach has been for the last 3 years or so. The flashback arc that just ended in Naruto was really good. What is surprising was that I thought Bleach's first arc (the entire Soul Society arc) was actually pretty good. Personally, it was better than Naruto back then. It just went completely downhill from there starting with the Hueco Mundo arc.
It's bad because a good story is written with an end and many major events planned out in between that end and the beginning. It all fits together well because it was all planned to be what is is from the very start to the very end. The WSJ model forced authors to sway and adapt to the questionnaires, creating a balancing act between getting a quick boost in popularity and working towards an intended vision for the series.
I think the other major detriment is that there's just too many characters right now, and apparently they ALL need screen time. Back in SS there was just the group from Karakura and then there were all these cool new SS captains and lieutenants being introduced, but now the majority of them have outlived their importance and all their fans demand more and more of them.
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But isn't One Piece part of WSJ? Eiichiro Oda is fucking brilliant...
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gin probably have not killed the girl ( and the girl will have some reason in the story )
gin also maybe in some special op force , like the gotei 13 ( not sure the name ) he talked about them in the chapter or he work for the royal prince ( maybe he a royal guard ) , but what im sure , gin = not totaly evil but he not a total good guy either , he do what he want for him and he seek power .
aizen will not die , but gin will not die either . something will happen for prevent that , maybe someone will show up .
well that my prediction for the next chapter . thx for have read and sorry for bad english t.t
edit : just read the spoiler , i was right for some guess
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On August 05 2010 01:19 TealLurker wrote:I saw last week's betrayal coming. Note: the scanlation isn't out at the time of this post. + Show Spoiler [Bleach 415 spoiler] +No Bleach next week either.
+ Show Spoiler +... are those... are those butterfly wings?
How much more homosexual is Aizen going to get?....It's depressing how much better the story would have been had Aizen simply died.
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now that bleach has been licensed do you guys know any places to read the manga? along with naruto/onepiece? onemanga/mangafox no longer have them
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Those spoilers.... such.... bullshit! I mean come on! + Show Spoiler +How thoroughly can you outsmart/outplay someone? And then he just makes a random remark and POOF you're dead.
Fuck Aizen.
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On August 04 2010 07:22 Greggle wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 04:45 andrewlt wrote:On August 04 2010 03:20 Greggle wrote:On August 03 2010 15:37 Pineapple wrote:On August 03 2010 13:10 iloahz wrote: wait, so what's gin's motivation in killing aizen? There is none. The author simply just doesn't know what the fuck he is doing and comes up with each week's chapter ending the night before it's due for submission with whatever the fuck shit he can think of. I am 100% confident he doesn't know where the fuck he is going with the story himself and just makes it up as he goes along, hence why it's so shit. He's confirmed that he makes it up as he goes in interviews, and when he gets stuck on something he adds more characters. It's a crappy way to write, but that's how WSJ is basically. Read Bakuman and you'll get an idea, it's the only Jump series I really follow anymore. Basically an author starts with a concept and releases a few short story arcs that are only a couple chapters in length and then they are forced to react to fan questionnaires and compete in rankings with the other series in WSJ. So basically there's a period of about 6 months to a year right after a series premiers where the fanbase is unstable and the story can't really delve into anything too drawn out or interesting until it has a secure spot within the top half of the currently running series. Evidence of this can be seen in the beginning of Bleach during the first Karakura arc, and the beginning of Yu Yu Hakusho during the Spirit Detective Arc. Both series start off with a bunch of short stories and then move into longer more interesting arcs. From there the authors need to defend their positions against all the new series that enter the magazine which can be close to a dozen each year, in a magazine that runs about 20 total. Therefor popular characters get more appearances and become stronger than they are initially revealed to be (Hitsugaya), those character rankings aren't just for fun. Another useful tool for the Author to attempt to cheaply and quickly gain an edge in the rankings is a surprise ending to a chapter, but with each chapter only sporting about 20 pages it becomes excessive as each and every chapter ends with some new character showing up with his identity obscured or someone getting hit by a massive attack and the result being hidden in a cloud of dust. Once or twice these are cool, but 40 something of these a year leads to repetitiveness, and after someone survives that cloud of dust for the 5th time you begin to suspect that nobody will ever die on the last page of a chapter. What I'm saying is that on average we shouldn't expect any series of this format to be very good, because very little can be planned in advance with so much sway from the fans. There is the rare occasion where a series can do what it wants and follow a bigger picture, but that series needs to have one hell of a foothold on the upper rankings, and even then there's the chance of the series being asked to extend beyond its originally planned ending, such as what happened with Death Note, which was never planned to go beyond L. I'll be sticking with Bleach into the end though, just because I want to finally see what happens after investing this much time into it, and it only takes about 5 minutes a week and is something to look forward to. Seriously though, just go read Berserk or Gantz. It still doesn't explain how bad Bleach's plot and story is. Even Naruto has moments when the story is really good and the story is rarely as bad as how Bleach has been for the last 3 years or so. The flashback arc that just ended in Naruto was really good. What is surprising was that I thought Bleach's first arc (the entire Soul Society arc) was actually pretty good. Personally, it was better than Naruto back then. It just went completely downhill from there starting with the Hueco Mundo arc. It's bad because a good story is written with an end and many major events planned out in between that end and the beginning. It all fits together well because it was all planned to be what is is from the very start to the very end. The WSJ model forced authors to sway and adapt to the questionnaires, creating a balancing act between getting a quick boost in popularity and working towards an intended vision for the series. I think the other major detriment is that there's just too many characters right now, and apparently they ALL need screen time. Back in SS there was just the group from Karakura and then there were all these cool new SS captains and lieutenants being introduced, but now the majority of them have outlived their importance and all their fans demand more and more of them.
I guess it's what puzzles me. Every single WSJ series has the same pressures but Kishimoto and Oda don't butcher their series to the extent that Kubo has. You could say that may be due to the quality of the fan questionnaires but I visit some Bleach and Naruto forums and I can tell that the Naruto fandoms are just as retarded as the Bleach ones.
It's not like Kubo's pandering is working either. One Piece and Naruto are 1-2 in popularity as of the latest WSJ with Bleach just number 8.
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http://mangastream.com/read/bleach/42115567/1
you know i used to admire aizen, he always thinks 1 step ahead. Now, not only is he not one step ahead, he was out smarted; but he just use cheats and hax to get somewhere, this guy needs to be ip banned.
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lol bleach made no sense, and continues to make no sense
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*reads*
*/facedesk*
This is just stupid now, =( Can't we just have an ending where Aizen actually kills everyone because everytime he just comes out with something because his bankai is actually "power overwhelming" or something?
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