[Manga] Bleach - Page 46

On August 03 2010 13:10 iloahz wrote:
wait, so what's gin's motivation in killing aizen?

On August 03 2010 14:06 Slardarxt wrote:


HA! Bleach in a nutshell. I'm still in awe how popular this drivel IS and has become, seriously if he just ended it with it was all a dream of Ichigo's OR a Nuke comes down and kills everyone you wouldn't even care. No story, and Plot holes thicker than any Swiss Cheese.

On August 03 2010 14:06 Slardarxt wrote:


HA! Bleach in a nutshell. I'm still in awe how popular this drivel IS and has become, seriously if he just ended it with it was all a dream of Ichigo's OR a Nuke comes down and kills everyone you wouldn't even care. No story, and Plot holes thicker than any Swiss Cheese.

Prediction A: Most likely as we are all expecting, Aizen reveals some garbage does this does that hopefully doesn't kill Gin. Perhaps Ichigo finally finishes his training, some filler inbetween and a cliffhanger ending as usual.

Prediction Badass: Kenpachi comes in and curbstomps everyone. Probably the best ending imo.

On August 03 2010 15:37 Pineapple wrote:


There is none. The author simply just doesn't know what the fuck he is doing and comes up with each week's chapter ending the night before it's due for submission with whatever the fuck shit he can think of. I am 100% confident he doesn't know where the fuck he is going with the story himself and just makes it up as he goes along, hence why it's so shit.

On August 03 2010 14:06 Slardarxt wrote:


HA! Bleach in a nutshell. I'm still in awe how popular this drivel IS and has become, seriously if he just ended it with it was all a dream of Ichigo's OR a Nuke comes down and kills everyone you wouldn't even care. No story, and Plot holes thicker than any Swiss Cheese.

Prediction A: Most likely as we are all expecting, Aizen reveals some garbage does this does that hopefully doesn't kill Gin. Perhaps Ichigo finally finishes his training, some filler inbetween and a cliffhanger ending as usual.

Prediction Badass: Kenpachi comes in and curbstomps everyone. Probably the best ending imo.

On August 04 2010 03:20 Greggle wrote:


He's confirmed that he makes it up as he goes in interviews, and when he gets stuck on something he adds more characters. It's a crappy way to write, but that's how WSJ is basically. Read Bakuman and you'll get an idea, it's the only Jump series I really follow anymore.

Basically an author starts with a concept and releases a few short story arcs that are only a couple chapters in length and then they are forced to react to fan questionnaires and compete in rankings with the other series in WSJ. So basically there's a period of about 6 months to a year right after a series premiers where the fanbase is unstable and the story can't really delve into anything too drawn out or interesting until it has a secure spot within the top half of the currently running series.

Evidence of this can be seen in the beginning of Bleach during the first Karakura arc, and the beginning of Yu Yu Hakusho during the Spirit Detective Arc. Both series start off with a bunch of short stories and then move into longer more interesting arcs.

From there the authors need to defend their positions against all the new series that enter the magazine which can be close to a dozen each year, in a magazine that runs about 20 total. Therefor popular characters get more appearances and become stronger than they are initially revealed to be (Hitsugaya), those character rankings aren't just for fun.

Another useful tool for the Author to attempt to cheaply and quickly gain an edge in the rankings is a surprise ending to a chapter, but with each chapter only sporting about 20 pages it becomes excessive as each and every chapter ends with some new character showing up with his identity obscured or someone getting hit by a massive attack and the result being hidden in a cloud of dust. Once or twice these are cool, but 40 something of these a year leads to repetitiveness, and after someone survives that cloud of dust for the 5th time you begin to suspect that nobody will ever die on the last page of a chapter.

What I'm saying is that on average we shouldn't expect any series of this format to be very good, because very little can be planned in advance with so much sway from the fans. There is the rare occasion where a series can do what it wants and follow a bigger picture, but that series needs to have one hell of a foothold on the upper rankings, and even then there's the chance of the series being asked to extend beyond its originally planned ending, such as what happened with Death Note, which was never planned to go beyond L.

I'll be sticking with Bleach into the end though, just because I want to finally see what happens after investing this much time into it, and it only takes about 5 minutes a week and is something to look forward to.

Seriously though, just go read Berserk or Gantz.

On August 04 2010 04:45 andrewlt wrote:




It still doesn't explain how bad Bleach's plot and story is. Even Naruto has moments when the story is really good and the story is rarely as bad as how Bleach has been for the last 3 years or so. The flashback arc that just ended in Naruto was really good.

What is surprising was that I thought Bleach's first arc (the entire Soul Society arc) was actually pretty good. Personally, it was better than Naruto back then. It just went completely downhill from there starting with the Hueco Mundo arc.

On August 04 2010 04:45 andrewlt wrote:




It still doesn't explain how bad Bleach's plot and story is. Even Naruto has moments when the story is really good and the story is rarely as bad as how Bleach has been for the last 3 years or so. The flashback arc that just ended in Naruto was really good.

What is surprising was that I thought Bleach's first arc (the entire Soul Society arc) was actually pretty good. Personally, it was better than Naruto back then. It just went completely downhill from there starting with the Hueco Mundo arc.

On August 05 2010 01:19 TealLurker wrote:
I saw last week's betrayal coming.

Note: the scanlation isn't out at the time of this post.

+ Show Spoiler [Bleach 415 spoiler] +

No Bleach next week either.

On August 04 2010 07:22 Greggle wrote:


It's bad because a good story is written with an end and many major events planned out in between that end and the beginning. It all fits together well because it was all planned to be what is is from the very start to the very end. The WSJ model forced authors to sway and adapt to the questionnaires, creating a balancing act between getting a quick boost in popularity and working towards an intended vision for the series.

I think the other major detriment is that there's just too many characters right now, and apparently they ALL need screen time. Back in SS there was just the group from Karakura and then there were all these cool new SS captains and lieutenants being introduced, but now the majority of them have outlived their importance and all their fans demand more and more of them.