On July 26 2012 01:52 Greggle wrote: Forgot he used his mask, but he used it against both Byakuya and Ulquiorra, so it doesn't change much.
Ukitake was helping against Stark in the beginning, but by the time Stark released and started fighting seriously, it was just Kyouraku.
Obviously these types of comparisons are pointless though in a serious as inconsistent and illogical as Bleach, but for realz, Byakuya is only like 6th-8th strongest out of the original 13.
you mean after he stopped using his guns, resourted to sword on sword combat, got run through first and had to fight the exact type of fight his opponent trained for and was prepared for
On July 26 2012 02:08 Greggle wrote: I don't think this series is worth this level of debate. Care to argue who would win between Skull Knight and Void from Berserk?
care to discuss beserk in the beserk discussion thread?
On July 26 2012 02:08 Greggle wrote: I don't think this series is worth this level of debate. Care to argue who would win between Skull Knight and Void from Berserk?
care to discuss beserk in the beserk discussion thread?
On July 26 2012 00:52 Greggle wrote: He's really not that important, he is just popular since he got hyped up so much early on. Yeah, he's Rukia's adopted brother, but that's just a good way to make her go super saiyan. He doesn't have that much bearing on the story (though really only like Ichigo and Urahara do...).
He isn't even one of the stronger captains to be honest. Yamamoto, Unohana, Kyouraku and Ukitake are the top-tier unless the Vaizard captains are stronger than we know.
Byakuya was hyped as the strongest captain in the SS arc
although last arc he was shown to be piss weak
Yamamoto is pretty solidly confirmed to be the strongest captain by a significant margin, though it may have closed a bit with the loss of his arm.
In the SS arc Yamamoto himself said Kyouraku and Ukitake were pretty much the strongest of all time when he fought them. Hell, Kyouraku took out espada #1 with Shikai. Kubo has hyped up Unohana a ton and Kyouraku and Ukitake are both scared of her, so its pretty widely speculated that she's #2.
I used to be pretty active in the Bleach community when it was still good, when SS was still going on. This was very widely accepted in the community.
Edit: This was the most commonly used ranking:
Godly 1.Yamamoto 2.Aizen
Top 3.Unohana 4.Kyouraku 5.Ukitake
High 6.Ichimaru 7.Byakuya 8.Kenpachi
Mid 9.Soifon 10.Mayuri
Low 11.Tousen 12.Komamura 13.Hitsugaya
i think he was only reffering to when they fought TOGETHER as a combo not that each of them alone is strongest
and i wasnt really counting Yamamoto as a captain since hes the commander general boss guy
why does unahana get the third seed? shes a healer she doesnt actually ever fight
Tousen is easily in the top level, if nothing else because of the most amazing bankai. When he was first introduced, he could take out people with ringing. With his bankai, he could have insta-killed Kenpachi with decapitation. Mayuri in low tier, while his poison is strong he's got low base stats compared to the other captains, giving him a much harder time. Hitsugaya raised to mid-tier, could always use that ice flower prison technique. Ichimaru raised to top tier. His bankai gave even Ichigo, a speed type bankai, a hard time in keeping up, while barely using up any energy.
Oh god, they're gonna kill off Kenpachi next. You can tell Kubo is itching to end this manga or kill off as many characters as possible this arc. The way Byakua died was pathetic and sudden, there was no mention of him being an adept-shunpo user, no attempt to use Kido (as he has done in almost every battle hes been in), just nothing but getting demolished by unexplained abilities. They built Byakua up too much to kill him off suddenly like this, it would have been another thing if Kamamura (or whatever the Fox captain's name was) was the one getting demolished here, but Byakua? In 3 chapters hes dead without putting up a fight?
On July 26 2012 02:08 Greggle wrote: I don't think this series is worth this level of debate. Care to argue who would win between Skull Knight and Void from Berserk?
care to discuss beserk in the beserk discussion thread?
On July 26 2012 02:18 Xyik wrote: Oh god, they're gonna kill off Kenpachi next. You can tell Kubo is itching to end this manga or kill off as many characters as possible this arc. The way Byakua died was pathetic and sudden, there was no mention of him being an adept-shunpo user, no attempt to use Kido (as he has done in almost every battle hes been in), just nothing but getting demolished by unexplained abilities. They built Byakua up too much to kill him off suddenly like this, it would have been another thing if Kamamura (or whatever the Fox captain's name was) was the one getting demolished here, but Byakua? In 3 chapters hes dead without putting up a fight?
Don't worry I'm sure he'll just get healed up somehow, he's too good and popular to die. Unless of course that somehow triggers Rukia's Bankai. And they better not fucking kill kenpachi, he's too perfect for this arc, and just too bad ass overall
On July 26 2012 00:52 Greggle wrote: He's really not that important, he is just popular since he got hyped up so much early on. Yeah, he's Rukia's adopted brother, but that's just a good way to make her go super saiyan. He doesn't have that much bearing on the story (though really only like Ichigo and Urahara do...).
He isn't even one of the stronger captains to be honest. Yamamoto, Unohana, Kyouraku and Ukitake are the top-tier unless the Vaizard captains are stronger than we know.
Byakuya was hyped as the strongest captain in the SS arc
although last arc he was shown to be piss weak
Yamamoto is pretty solidly confirmed to be the strongest captain by a significant margin, though it may have closed a bit with the loss of his arm.
In the SS arc Yamamoto himself said Kyouraku and Ukitake were pretty much the strongest of all time when he fought them. Hell, Kyouraku took out espada #1 with Shikai. Kubo has hyped up Unohana a ton and Kyouraku and Ukitake are both scared of her, so its pretty widely speculated that she's #2.
I used to be pretty active in the Bleach community when it was still good, when SS was still going on. This was very widely accepted in the community.
Edit: This was the most commonly used ranking:
Godly 1.Yamamoto 2.Aizen
Top 3.Unohana 4.Kyouraku 5.Ukitake
High 6.Ichimaru 7.Byakuya 8.Kenpachi
Mid 9.Soifon 10.Mayuri
Low 11.Tousen 12.Komamura 13.Hitsugaya
i think he was only reffering to when they fought TOGETHER as a combo not that each of them alone is strongest
and i wasnt really counting Yamamoto as a captain since hes the commander general boss guy
why does unahana get the third seed? shes a healer she doesnt actually ever fight
Tousen is easily in the top level, if nothing else because of the most amazing bankai. When he was first introduced, he could take out people with ringing. With his bankai, he could have insta-killed Kenpachi with decapitation. Mayuri in low tier, while his poison is strong he's got low base stats compared to the other captains, giving him a much harder time. Hitsugaya raised to mid-tier, could always use that ice flower prison technique. Ichimaru raised to top tier. His bankai gave even Ichigo, a speed type bankai, a hard time in keeping up, while barely using up any energy.
Kenpachi won vs Tousen. Remember the SS arc? Tousen with only his Bankai isn't all that strong. Even with hollowfication he could beat by a shitty vice-cap.
On July 26 2012 02:18 Xyik wrote: Oh god, they're gonna kill off Kenpachi next. You can tell Kubo is itching to end this manga or kill off as many characters as possible this arc. The way Byakua died was pathetic and sudden, there was no mention of him being an adept-shunpo user, no attempt to use Kido (as he has done in almost every battle hes been in), just nothing but getting demolished by unexplained abilities. They built Byakua up too much to kill him off suddenly like this, it would have been another thing if Kamamura (or whatever the Fox captain's name was) was the one getting demolished here, but Byakua? In 3 chapters hes dead without putting up a fight?
he didnt use any kidou at all agaisnt Tsukishima either
no way is Kenpachi going to fight the boss, the Quincys see him as some sort of god the guy next to him will get in the way
Kenpachi will have a long drawn out fight where he (possibly) finnally communicates with his sword leading to his win, then hell pick a fight with the big bad
then it will switch back to Ichigo who will finally break free and get into the soul society in time to see Kenpachi get owned
I bet Kenpachi is about to be treated exactly like everyone else has been. Bleach has always had a tendency to move slowly, but this...this is so fast. These characters are not getting their deserved ends, but hey...when you choose the route that Bleach chose it's only your own fault...you'll get told to end it eventually because it was sucking so hard.
Man..after kubo teased me with the unknown character who saved urahara, I kind of don't care that byakuya died, and I don't care how he comes back to life if he does. It was such a one-sided death anyway. And also, kenpachi's showing up would've been more dramatic if I'm not expecting the unknown character the entire time I was reading. WHOSE SWORD WAS IT? lol
On July 26 2012 00:52 Greggle wrote: He's really not that important, he is just popular since he got hyped up so much early on. Yeah, he's Rukia's adopted brother, but that's just a good way to make her go super saiyan. He doesn't have that much bearing on the story (though really only like Ichigo and Urahara do...).
He isn't even one of the stronger captains to be honest. Yamamoto, Unohana, Kyouraku and Ukitake are the top-tier unless the Vaizard captains are stronger than we know.
Byakuya was hyped as the strongest captain in the SS arc
although last arc he was shown to be piss weak
Yamamoto is pretty solidly confirmed to be the strongest captain by a significant margin, though it may have closed a bit with the loss of his arm.
In the SS arc Yamamoto himself said Kyouraku and Ukitake were pretty much the strongest of all time when he fought them. Hell, Kyouraku took out espada #1 with Shikai. Kubo has hyped up Unohana a ton and Kyouraku and Ukitake are both scared of her, so its pretty widely speculated that she's #2.
I used to be pretty active in the Bleach community when it was still good, when SS was still going on. This was very widely accepted in the community.
Edit: This was the most commonly used ranking:
Godly 1.Yamamoto 2.Aizen
Top 3.Unohana 4.Kyouraku 5.Ukitake
High 6.Ichimaru 7.Byakuya 8.Kenpachi
Mid 9.Soifon 10.Mayuri
Low 11.Tousen 12.Komamura 13.Hitsugaya
i think he was only reffering to when they fought TOGETHER as a combo not that each of them alone is strongest
and i wasnt really counting Yamamoto as a captain since hes the commander general boss guy
why does unahana get the third seed? shes a healer she doesnt actually ever fight
Tousen is easily in the top level, if nothing else because of the most amazing bankai. When he was first introduced, he could take out people with ringing. With his bankai, he could have insta-killed Kenpachi with decapitation. Mayuri in low tier, while his poison is strong he's got low base stats compared to the other captains, giving him a much harder time. Hitsugaya raised to mid-tier, could always use that ice flower prison technique. Ichimaru raised to top tier. His bankai gave even Ichigo, a speed type bankai, a hard time in keeping up, while barely using up any energy.
Kenpachi won vs Tousen. Remember the SS arc? Tousen with only his Bankai isn't all that strong. Even with hollowfication he could beat by a shitty vice-cap.
Kenpachi only won because Kubo wanted him to stay alive. Tousen could have: Used Bankai>have him lose all his senses>decapitate. Fight done, Tousen has one of the strongest bankai.
On July 26 2012 00:52 Greggle wrote: He's really not that important, he is just popular since he got hyped up so much early on. Yeah, he's Rukia's adopted brother, but that's just a good way to make her go super saiyan. He doesn't have that much bearing on the story (though really only like Ichigo and Urahara do...).
He isn't even one of the stronger captains to be honest. Yamamoto, Unohana, Kyouraku and Ukitake are the top-tier unless the Vaizard captains are stronger than we know.
Byakuya was hyped as the strongest captain in the SS arc
although last arc he was shown to be piss weak
Yamamoto is pretty solidly confirmed to be the strongest captain by a significant margin, though it may have closed a bit with the loss of his arm.
In the SS arc Yamamoto himself said Kyouraku and Ukitake were pretty much the strongest of all time when he fought them. Hell, Kyouraku took out espada #1 with Shikai. Kubo has hyped up Unohana a ton and Kyouraku and Ukitake are both scared of her, so its pretty widely speculated that she's #2.
I used to be pretty active in the Bleach community when it was still good, when SS was still going on. This was very widely accepted in the community.
Edit: This was the most commonly used ranking:
Godly 1.Yamamoto 2.Aizen
Top 3.Unohana 4.Kyouraku 5.Ukitake
High 6.Ichimaru 7.Byakuya 8.Kenpachi
Mid 9.Soifon 10.Mayuri
Low 11.Tousen 12.Komamura 13.Hitsugaya
i think he was only reffering to when they fought TOGETHER as a combo not that each of them alone is strongest
and i wasnt really counting Yamamoto as a captain since hes the commander general boss guy
why does unahana get the third seed? shes a healer she doesnt actually ever fight
Tousen is easily in the top level, if nothing else because of the most amazing bankai. When he was first introduced, he could take out people with ringing. With his bankai, he could have insta-killed Kenpachi with decapitation. Mayuri in low tier, while his poison is strong he's got low base stats compared to the other captains, giving him a much harder time. Hitsugaya raised to mid-tier, could always use that ice flower prison technique. Ichimaru raised to top tier. His bankai gave even Ichigo, a speed type bankai, a hard time in keeping up, while barely using up any energy.
Kenpachi won vs Tousen. Remember the SS arc? Tousen with only his Bankai isn't all that strong. Even with hollowfication he could beat by a shitty vice-cap.
Kenpachi only won because Kubo wanted him to stay alive. Tousen could have: Used Bankai>have him lose all his senses>decapitate. Fight done, Tousen has one of the strongest bankai.
Kenpachi could dodge, Kenpachi won because hes alot faster then Tousen
plus if he went for the throat it only leads him open to a double exchange
On July 26 2012 06:29 iKill[ShocK] wrote: errr weird question but can anyone explain to me if ichigo/vizards(?) can still use your hollow mask?
the Vizards could but Ichigo probably cant since he lost all his reiatsu due to the bullshit asspull that actualyl didnt accomplish anything so hed need to be turned into a hollow again
EPT
