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ZerOCoolSC2
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Peeano
Netherlands5630 Posts
On March 12 2018 23:20 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Has anyone seen Vanilla Sky? I liked it. That was like 14 years ago tho. It's surprisingly good if you consider it stars both Tom Cruise and Cameron Diaz. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
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Peeano
Netherlands5630 Posts
On March 13 2018 11:28 IgnE wrote: Tom Cruise is amazing. I'll watch him in almost anything. Fair enough. Wouldn't you agree Vanilla Sky is one of the better movies those 2 starred in though? | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
![[image loading]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f6/Annihilation_%28film%29.png) Annihilation We follow our main protagonist Lena (biology professor) doing an expedition into the mysterios "shimmer" , a region which appeared after a meteor strike. Every other person who went into it before never came back, well except for her husband, a soldier, who recently came out but doesn't remember anything and fights for his life. To save him Lena joins a group of female scientists to go in. In the shimmer they find weird mutations of plants and animals and their state of mind changes as well. I was looking forward to see this movie and while i think it's good i am still disappointed. Aesthetically it's awesome, the environment depicted will give you pictures you won't forget so fast, the plot is the weak point though and even the characters aren't all that interesting. We deal with themes like self destruction, change in general among other things, but it's all really surface level imo. The acting is fine but nothing outstanding either. I would still recommend to check it out, but it's no must see. 6.5-7/10 | ||
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WarSame
Canada1950 Posts
I can definitely point out a good number of interesting female characters from the last while, but this has been a general observation. I notice this particularly in superhero movies - I honestly don't know if I can name 1 interesting female character from them offhand. My friend and I were arguing about Black Panther. She liked the 3 female characters because they were "strong characters", but in my mind they are:
Sure, they were "strong", but they were also boring. Pretty much every male character besides W'kabi is more interesting than any of them. Compare them to M'baku, T'challa, Ulysses or Killmonger, who all are made more interesting by their flaws. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
But sure in general your observation might be true, maybe? | ||
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Sermokala
United States14144 Posts
I thought the paradigm between the love interest and the warrior woman was interesting as the warrior woman was loyal to the throne and accused the spy of being loyal to no one. It showed that she was conflicted but had a sense of duty and loyalty even standing with kill monger until he sent the blues in to attack BP. Wonder woman would be a great female character but the way shes handled is terrible because shes (according to the movies) clearly the most experienced leader and fighter but is on the floor power wise compared to the others. I like Black Widow. I don't think she'll ever get the movie she deserves and she has even less of a power level then WW or hawkeye but she had legitimate story line value in the parts that shes been in. | ||
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WarSame
Canada1950 Posts
On March 14 2018 06:22 The_Red_Viper wrote: It's funny you say that because out of all the movies i posted here the last few days only annihilation deals with this problem imo. Every other movie had interesting female characters. ("room, "raw", "eternal sunshine of a spotless mind", "pan's labyrinth" and to a lesser extent "shape of water") But sure in general your observation might be true, maybe? Part of that is because this thread is biased towards discussing popular movies and good movies, and good movies tend to have much better female characters. Unfortunately, I haven't seen most of the movies in question, but I've noticed the problem becomes more exaggerated the more female characters in a cast. It seems like women are often relegated to a straight-(wo)man role. You need a Melissa McCarthy or something to provide some spark. On March 14 2018 07:47 Sermokala wrote: "strong woman" is practically on the same level as "love intrest" and "smart rebel" tropes. It doesn't make your female characters good if they're literaly just not just objects to your story. Right, and they're all just "Mary Sue" characters. Wow, she saves whales, works as a CEO, can fly with mind powers and can raise 3 kids?! There's a reason Superman is the most boring superhero. I thought the paradigm between the love interest and the warrior woman was interesting as the warrior woman was loyal to the throne and accused the spy of being loyal to no one. It showed that she was conflicted but had a sense of duty and loyalty even standing with kill monger until he sent the blues in to attack BP. Maybe, but it was such a boring moral dilemma because all of these big budgets movies pretty much can't kill any of their established characters, so you generally know what the outcome is going to be. I haven't seen much of WW or BW, so I can't comment on them but BW seems interesting. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
![[image loading]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a5/Grave_of_the_Fireflies_Japanese_poster.jpg) Grave of the fireflies In this movie we follow two children, Setsuko and Seita during WW2. Seita is the older of the two (maybe around 13?) and tries his best to take care of his little sister after their mother gets injured in a bombing attack. The movie focuses a lot on the relationship between the siblings and catches the spirit very well. Setsuko behaves like a little girl would, not only in her actions but also in little things like mannerisms. This makes it very easy to feel for these two characters even though it's just a cartoon. The anime also isn't afraid to have quieter moments in it, showing good sides of life in war like the observation of fireflies, even in a time of horror there is hope and happyness. Ofc we also see a lot of the horror, people dying, people starving, civilians getting little help from the government. This doesn't give us the perspective of any soldier, there is no glorification of war. There is no glorification of anything, not even the decisions of our main protagonist who is still just a child and not rdy to have the responsibilites he gets. Beautiful film and if you think anime cannot be more than cartoons for children you should forget about that stereotype and give this a watch. 9+/10 | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
On Topic, I just watched Hot Fuzz for the first time. ![[image loading]](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMzg4MDJhMDMtYmJiMS00ZDZmLThmZWUtYTMwZDM1YTc5MWE2XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNjU0OTQ0OTY@._V1_UX182_CR0,0,182,268_AL_.jpg) Not my favorite Wright movie (that title is held by World's End), but it was still a high-quality watch. Having seen many of the movies that this film is aping, I found it hit the mark in terms of the tropes it wanted to parody. I also enjoyed the acting, but that goes without saying given that this group of talented comedy actors is among the best in the business. I noticed some similarities between Wright's character introduction style and Wes Anderson's early in the film, which made the swiss-army-knife protagonist a bit more funny than it otherwise would have. Pegg's character here has a bit less real humanity than any of Anderson's leads, but it's still effective in communicating a lot of information in a timely manner that lets the narrative move quickly early on to get past the least interesting parts of the movie tropes Wright intends to lampoon for the meat of the film. Interesting to see two contemporaries employing similar editing techniques and scene structures to nail their comedic timings. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5823 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 14 2018 07:47 Sermokala wrote: "strong woman" is practically on the same level as "love intrest" and "smart rebel" tropes. It doesn't make your female characters good if they're literaly just not just objects to your story. I thought the paradigm between the love interest and the warrior woman was interesting as the warrior woman was loyal to the throne and accused the spy of being loyal to no one. It showed that she was conflicted but had a sense of duty and loyalty even standing with kill monger until he sent the blues in to attack BP. Wonder woman would be a great female character but the way shes handled is terrible because shes (according to the movies) clearly the most experienced leader and fighter but is on the floor power wise compared to the others. I like Black Widow. I don't think she'll ever get the movie she deserves and she has even less of a power level then WW or hawkeye but she had legitimate story line value in the parts that shes been in. The more female characters there are in a movie the easier it is to not have to make "be everything to everyone." The complaints about the damsel in distress trope stem from the fact that it is often the only thing women get to do it movies. Personally I think Marvel should just make a huge "girls night out" movie with Black Widow, Valkyrie, Shuri and Scarlet Witch. Just make it a comedy with staggering action sequences and on fire fashion. That thing would print money. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
Well, maybe Lucy, but I'm honestly confused about how serious we're supposed to take a movie about a woman being drugged into Godhood, played entirely straight. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On March 12 2018 23:20 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Has anyone seen Vanilla Sky? The original movie that it was adapted from, Open Your Eyes / Abre los Ojos, is better. As an added bonus, you get a naked, piping hot Penelope Cruz at the height of her powers. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
all just a dream But the ending just dropping a whole bunch of bad sci-fi mumbo jumbo just ruined the entire movie for me, especially since it was entirely unnecessary. | ||
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polgas
Canada1783 Posts
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TaKeTV
Germany1200 Posts
On March 14 2018 01:26 The_Red_Viper wrote: Annihilation We follow our main protagonist Lena (biology professor) doing an expedition into the mysterios "shimmer" , a region which appeared after a meteor strike. Every other person who went into it before never came back, well except for her husband, a soldier, who recently came out but doesn't remember anything and fights for his life. To save him Lena joins a group of female scientists to go in. In the shimmer they find weird mutations of plants and animals and their state of mind changes as well. I was looking forward to see this movie and while i think it's good i am still disappointed. Aesthetically it's awesome, the environment depicted will give you pictures you won't forget so fast, the plot is the weak point though and even the characters aren't all that interesting. We deal with themes like self destruction, change in general among other things, but it's all really surface level imo. The acting is fine but nothing outstanding either. I would still recommend to check it out, but it's no must see. 6.5-7/10 Reading through that text I wonder how you would conclude that into a 6.5-7 ... Personally I found Annihilation to be very disappointing ... or simply plain boring Would not rate it higher than 5 and the only saving grace is that the concept is pretty nice and cinematography is great :X | ||
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