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On June 07 2013 07:10 sc4k wrote:


Please explain what resolution would be more compassionate than Dany's choice because I'm at a loss to find a better resolution.

On June 07 2013 07:18 stokes17 wrote:

Violence doesn't need to be met with violence. You can punish a wrong without razing a city. That would have been a more compassionate choice.

Dany completely lacks compassion who those who she feels commit wrongs (slavery in particular this season, the witch in season 1, Doreah in season 2) against her

Shes still a straight up BasAss though, no doubt

On June 07 2013 07:25 sc4k wrote:


Astapor: Having closed the deal, receiving the harpy's fingers, a nine lashed whip that symbolizes her ownership of the Unsullied, she betrayed the terms of the deal and unleashed her dragons on the masters and the few remaining soldiers in the plaza, ordering the Unsullied to kill the remaining slave-masters [no mention of any other victims] of the city and freeing all of the slaves.

Before leaving to Yunkai Daenerys left a council of three men, a healer, a scholar and a priest to rule.

Sorry to repost this but you probably could do with reading this again. She didn't raze Astapor.

The answer I would have accepted would be: throw all the slave masters into jail. Yes, that would have been a more compassionate result, but tactically it's far better to allow the slaves their moment of revenge and win yourself their respect and admiration. A slightly cold response from Dany...but I still consider her to be by far the most compassionate of all the major players. As I suspect most of them (barring possibly Stannis) would have either allowed the evil of the slave masters to perpetuate or would have had the entire city razed and plundered.

On June 07 2013 07:25 sc4k wrote:


Astapor: Having closed the deal, receiving the harpy's fingers, a nine lashed whip that symbolizes her ownership of the Unsullied, she betrayed the terms of the deal and unleashed her dragons on the masters and the few remaining soldiers in the plaza, ordering the Unsullied to kill the remaining slave-masters [no mention of any other victims] of the city and freeing all of the slaves.

Before leaving to Yunkai Daenerys left a council of three men, a healer, a scholar and a priest to rule.

Sorry to repost this but you probably could do with reading this again. She didn't raze Astapor.

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On June 07 2013 07:41 TSORG wrote:
i doubt it, slavery is abhorred in westeros pretty much, and jorah is there because ned sent him there for slaving and since robb is a mini-ned in many ways, he probably wouldnt have allowed it to happen. but who knows. only one who probably wouldve called dany and then raised her one would be joffrey, he wouldve put them all on spikes.

On June 07 2013 08:03 Live2Win wrote:

Hey sc4k, you are quoting lines from the ice and fire wiki, which is a wiki for the books, not the show. (there is a separate wiki for the show alone) Thus, you are technically "breaking the rules" by providing additional information and conclusions drawn by these info.

On June 07 2013 07:49 stokes17 wrote:
are you seriously telling me she doesn't put the city to the flame? 3:55

On June 07 2013 07:41 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
Daenarys is one of the more idealistic thinking characters on the show in contrary to the realpolitik approach of most of the other characters. That can be good and bad at the same time. The Game of Thrones universe is far from ideal or fair or just but it works. You would need to change a lot and change is scary. It has winners and losers and you can create a lot of bad side effects at first to reach the superior goal eventually. If the route is to hard you could somehow call Daenarys naive to some extent.

Other characters like Stannis or Ned are very righteous and strict to the law. Its honorable ofc but just as the idealistic approach not very flexible. You could call it somewhat stubborn too.

Then you have the realpolitik approach from the Lannisters or Varys or Littlefinger for example. The end justifies the means. If you can end the war by assassination theyre gonna do it. Is that good or bad? the common people suffer the most from the war. If you can prevent more suffering by doing something dishonest, would you do it? Same thing for Jaime the kingslayer.

So which approach is morally right or wrong? I think its not that easy to call. In the end the winner writes the history anyway , so you dont really get to know how it really was and who was the bad or the good guy.

On June 07 2013 07:54 Mogwai wrote:
Personally, what bugs me about Dany is the entitlement. Scenes like the one outside the gates of Qarth where she's pretty much willing to let the people depending on her die rather than simply show the Thirteen her dragons are a huge turn off of the character and have made me irritated with her. I haven't read the books, so I'm not sure if this is portrayed differently in them, but as far the show is concerned, she's just so damn entitled and aloof.

On June 07 2013 08:14 SamsungStar wrote:
To the Slaver Cities like Yunkai, Meereen, etc, Dany is completely barbaric. She reneges on deals, acts excessively belligerent and self-entitled, and unjustly massacres the rightful owners of slaves. To the slavers, it is normal to take prisoners of war or the children of slaves and sell them as property. That is the custom of their culture. It's Dany who is imposing her own arbitrary values on them and acting in a really despicable fashion.

People are just reading her actions through a modern-day Eurocentric lens and trying to paint her as the good guy. Hell, GRRM might be trying to do that too. But to me, she's just like everybody else: Someone who uses the values she's internalized to try to reach her goals.

On June 07 2013 08:17 sc4k wrote:


Her own arbitrary values...which are right. If not owning slaves is a Eurocentric paradigm...then Eurocentric is the only right way when slavery is concerned. And every other way is wrong and deserves nothing more than for the slaves to kill their masters.

On June 07 2013 08:14 SamsungStar wrote:
People are just reading her actions through a modern-day Eurocentric lens and trying to paint her as the good guy. Hell, GRRM might be trying to do that too. But to me, she's just like everybody else: Someone who uses the values she's internalized to try to reach her goals.

On June 07 2013 08:14 SamsungStar wrote:
I think some people are projecting too much of their need for good guy/bad guy paradigms onto the story. If you actually look at the content with a critical eye, there are very few characters which can objectively be called good. Especially not the Starks.

To the Slaver Cities like Yunkai, Meereen, etc, Dany is completely barbaric. She reneges on deals, acts excessively belligerent and self-entitled, and unjustly massacres the rightful owners of slaves. To the slavers, it is normal to take prisoners of war or the children of slaves and sell them as property. That is the custom of their culture. It's Dany who is imposing her own arbitrary values on them and acting in a really despicable fashion.

People are just reading her actions through a modern-day Eurocentric lens and trying to paint her as the good guy. Hell, GRRM might be trying to do that too. But to me, she's just like everybody else: Someone who uses the values she's internalized to try to reach her goals.

On June 07 2013 08:20 SamsungStar wrote:


No. Get it through your head that there is no such thing as absolute right and wrong.

On June 07 2013 08:13 Zooper31 wrote:


You quoted a Wiki for the books and didn't even link where you got that information (you can't even link the information or you spoil anyone who click it). That's a temp ban, per the exact words of the mods.