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hooahah
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gullberg
Sweden1301 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8255 Posts
On May 12 2013 23:09 Neeh wrote: The witch was just getting her revenge. It's hard to draw the line between good and evil in this series, most of the characters have legit reasons for doing what they're doing. And that is why we love the show  | ||
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zbedlam
Australia549 Posts
On May 12 2013 23:09 Neeh wrote: The witch was just getting her revenge. It's hard to draw the line between good and evil in this series, most of the characters have legit reasons for doing what they're doing. The Dothraki raped and murdered people for no reason. In fact I don't know how they survived this long since they seemed to rape and kill every source of food they come across aside from horses. Joffrey also kills for no reason. These are the only two "evil" people/factions I have seen in this show so far. | ||
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Coal
Sweden1535 Posts
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On May 12 2013 23:45 zbedlam wrote: The Dothraki raped and murdered people for no reason. In fact I don't know how they survived this long since they seemed to rape and kill every source of food they come across aside from horses. Joffrey also kills for no reason. These are the only two "evil" people/factions I have seen in this show so far. so the undead are bringing the cotton candy technology to the poeple of Westeros? and the slavers? selling leatherboots made out of children's nutsacks isnt evil? people should not try and categorize ppl in GOT. There are so many shades of grey in GRRM's work that when try to set something in stone most of the time you come out as narrowminded/someone who desnt get the big picture. | ||
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duoform
Spain5180 Posts
On May 12 2013 23:45 zbedlam wrote: The Dothraki raped and murdered people for no reason. In fact I don't know how they survived this long since they seemed to rape and kill every source of food they come across aside from horses. Joffrey also kills for no reason. These are the only two "evil" people/factions I have seen in this show so far. The Dothraki raped and murdered because that's their culture and that's how they lived. In the world they live in, like in Westeros, you either live to play the game or die being humble and honest like Ned. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Stark guy in the series but being honest, loyal, etc in a fantasy world like Game of Thrones will lead you nowhere. Joffrey however should die in the most painful way ever. I've discussed this before, I think Robb will not win this war but I seriously hope to see Robb or Jon chopping Joffrey's head in front of Cersei. That would be a freaking good way of ending Season 3  | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On May 12 2013 23:12 hooahah wrote: It's not 'good or evil', it's a point of view. Drogo was 'evil' to the people he pillaged, but to his own he was a great leader, the best they could wish for. Same could be said for the witch, yeah she fucked over Dany but she took vengence on the man who ruined her life. Well from the point of view of the germans 80 years ago hitler was their prized leader. You are wrong, any way you see this drogo was a butcher. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
Let's see: Good/Cool characters: Tyrion, Tywin, Jaime, Brienne, Maragery, Olenna, Sansa, Arya, Robb, Bran, Jon, Wildlings, Nights Watch people, Daenerys, Varys, etc. And of course Hodor. Evil/Bad characters: Joffrey, Cersei.. who else? Melisandre, perhaps. And there's Theon's torturer, of course, but I wouldn't count him as a main character. So, if you have any one of those characters killed at random, it's more likely than not going to be one of the characters you like, since there's just so many of them. The cool part about the show is that it manages to survive with barely any bad guys. It is, for the most part, just interesting characters interacting with each other. Which is one of the many reasons why the show is awesome. | ||
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Hitch-22
Canada753 Posts
On May 12 2013 23:45 zbedlam wrote: The Dothraki raped and murdered people for no reason. In fact I don't know how they survived this long since they seemed to rape and kill every source of food they come across aside from horses. Joffrey also kills for no reason. These are the only two "evil" people/factions I have seen in this show so far. The Dothraki are the equivalence (to me) as Ghengis Khan and the Mongol hordes were; they'd have no issue surviving : P | ||
dravernor
Netherlands6192 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8255 Posts
On May 13 2013 00:16 Steveling wrote: Well from the point of view of the germans 80 years ago hitler was their prized leader. You are wrong, any way you see this drogo was a butcher. If Hitler won the war, you think we'd still see him as evil? Its all a matter of perspective. | ||
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dravernor
Netherlands6192 Posts
On May 13 2013 00:18 Conti wrote: Come to think of it, the show really does have a surprisingly small amount of "evil" characters, and a quite large amount of characters we're rooting for. So it's no surprise that, if a major character dies, it's more likely they're one of the guys we like. Let's see: Good/Cool characters: Tyrion, Tywin, Jaime, Brienne, Maragery, Olenna, Sansa, Arya, Robb, Bran, Jon, Wildlings, Nights Watch people, Daenerys, Varys, etc. And of course Hodor. Evil/Bad characters: Joffrey, Cersei.. who else? Melisandre, perhaps. And there's Theon's torturer, of course, but I wouldn't count him as a main character. So, if you have any one of those characters killed at random, it's more likely than not going to be one of the characters you like, since there's just so many of them. The cool part about the show is that it manages to survive with barely any bad guys. It is, for the most part, just interesting characters interacting with each other. Which is one of the many reasons why the show is awesome. I like it, you have clearly read the books This pleases me. But would you say Varys is a good character? I don't think any of these characters are completely good or completely bad. Thats what I like so much about it - everyone has realistic flaws. As The Onion Night is told by Melisandre 'if an onion is half rotten it is counted as a rotten onion'. | ||
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dravernor
Netherlands6192 Posts
On May 13 2013 00:30 Excludos wrote: If Hitler won the war, you think we'd still see him as evil? Its all a matter of perspective. Regardless of who won the war, people would still see Hitler as someone intent on extinguishing an entire race. It would only be a matter of time before everyone looked at it that way and Hitler would be considered evil, just as he is now. Unless you legalize killing of course. Drogo was a butcher, but yeah, it was a matter of perspective - that was what he was brought up to do, that is how his tribe lived. To him and his people sacking and pillaging and raping was a way of life and a means to become more powerful. To people like us and the more 'civilized' Westerosi it was wrong because it was mass slaughter for no reason but self empowerment, whereas the Kings of Westeros justified their massive losses because they were at war, therefore murder was acceptable for the 'good of the kingdom'. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On May 13 2013 00:18 Conti wrote: Come to think of it, the show really does have a surprisingly small amount of "evil" characters, and a quite large amount of characters we're rooting for. So it's no surprise that, if a major character dies, it's more likely they're one of the guys we like. Let's see: Good/Cool characters: Tyrion, Tywin, Jaime, Brienne, Maragery, Olenna, Sansa, Arya, Robb, Bran, Jon, Wildlings, Nights Watch people, Daenerys, Varys, etc. And of course Hodor. Evil/Bad characters: Joffrey, Cersei.. who else? Melisandre, perhaps. And there's Theon's torturer, of course, but I wouldn't count him as a main character. So, if you have any one of those characters killed at random, it's more likely than not going to be one of the characters you like, since there's just so many of them. The cool part about the show is that it manages to survive with barely any bad guys. It is, for the most part, just interesting characters interacting with each other. Which is one of the many reasons why the show is awesome. Cersei certainly isn't evil, she just has a terribly misguided way of protecting her children. She is no more evil than Cat. Neither is Melisandre, who firmly believes her faith is the source of good that will destroy the evil in the world. There are only three characters I would even consider to be inherently evil with no other purpose aside from inflicting pain on others. Joff, Theon's Torturer, and Gregor Clegane. Two of which lack any depth whatsoever and are completely expendable. The third however... he may have a role to play. It's too early to tell. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On May 13 2013 00:33 DragonLord wrote: I like it, you have clearly read the books This pleases me. But would you say Varys is a good character? I don't think any of these characters are completely good or completely bad. Thats what I like so much about it - everyone has realistic flaws. As The Onion Night is told by Melisandre 'if an onion is half rotten it is counted as a rotten onion'. Actually, that post was solely based on the show. I wouldn't call Varys a good guy, but he's certainly interesting. And I would call Joffrey "completely bad", one of the few characters that are. There's really nothing redeeming about him, is there? That's how he's been portrayed so far, he's never been allowed to show any side of his that's relatable. | ||
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msl
Germany477 Posts
On May 13 2013 00:38 DragonLord wrote: Regardless of who won the war, people would still see Hitler as someone intent on extinguishing an entire race. It would only be a matter of time before everyone looked at it that way and Hitler would be considered evil, just as he is now. Unless you legalize killing of course. I find that logic a bit questionable. The supposition that the same moral framework and/or way of telling history that we're operating with now would be applied had Hitler won is a bit questionable. History is written by the winners, and so are the implied moral lessons. Also, killing is legal in every state of the world, the question always is to what degree and to what end. | ||
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dravernor
Netherlands6192 Posts
On May 13 2013 00:45 Conti wrote: Actually, that post was solely based on the show. I wouldn't call Varys a good guy, but he's certainly interesting. And I would call Joffrey "completely bad", one of the few characters that are. There's really nothing redeeming about him, is there? That's how he's been portrayed so far, he's never been allowed to show any side of his that's relatable. I was referring more to your understanding of the characters thus far (and how you spelt their tricky names so correctly XD) But I too am referring to the show only. Maybe I should go to the other thread though as I feel the show doesn't fully portray the characters, which I understand is tricky. Joffrey shows an attempt at courtship early on when he takes Sansa for a walk and returns her affections, and then tries to show off his 'manly' side by trying to beat away Mika from Arya while they are stick sword fighting. Which, you know, most guys can relate to. He is later embarrassed by the whole situation when it backfires on him and he lies to cover up his cowardliness in front of his father and mother. And from there, yeah, he does spiral downward. But I believe that that role played a significant part in his downfall as a character and as a result his already terrible upbringing he does become more evil. Not to say I think he wouldn't develop that way should that not have happened, but one can relate to how he may have felt being exposed like that infront of the Starks. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8077 Posts
On May 13 2013 00:08 duoform wrote: The Dothraki raped and murdered because that's their culture and that's how they lived. In the world they live in, like in Westeros, you either live to play the game or die being humble and honest like Ned. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Stark guy in the series but being honest, loyal, etc in a fantasy world like Game of Thrones will lead you nowhere. Joffrey however should die in the most painful way ever. I've discussed this before, I think Robb will not win this war but I seriously hope to see Robb or Jon chopping Joffrey's head in front of Cersei. That would be a freaking good way of ending Season 3 Robb is a dead man. I haven't read the books, and I can predict he won't survive more than a few episodes. Narrative structure is crystal clear, he is losing the war and he will get killed. He is useless for the narrative anyway from now since there is no way on earth he wins after the last few episodes, and the crown of the North needs to be at stake in King's Landing for the story to be more interesting. I can see a Littlefinger or someone like that assassinating him, to be honest. As for Joffrey, I guess he will get out when the rage of audience has reached its peak. All depends how the rivalry between the Tyrell and the Lannister goes, but one of the two families will probably need to get rid of him. Or, I could imagine Jamie getting his second king's kill for noble reasons since apparently he is on a disappointingly cliché redemption path... Let's see. | ||
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ridic
Canada52 Posts
On May 13 2013 01:04 Biff The Understudy wrote: Robb is a dead man. I haven't read the books, and I can predict he won't survive more than a few episodes. Narrative structure is crystal clear, he is losing the war and he will get killed. He is useless for the narrative anyway from now since there is no way on earth he wins after the last few episodes, and the crown of the North needs to be at stake in King's Landing for the story to be more interesting. I can see a Littlefinger or someone like that assassinating him, to be honest. As for Joffrey, I guess he will get out when the rage of audience has reached its peak. All depends how the rivalry between the Tyrell and the Lannister goes, but one of the two families will probably need to get rid of him. Or, I could imagine Jamie getting his second king's kill for noble reasons since apparently he is on a disappointingly cliché redemption path... Let's see. I wish I never read this thread. The whole idea of the show trying to "hide" the identity of Theon's capture means it must be important. However, they hint that it's Bolton's bastard; (well, to be fair, you guys pointed it out, I would have never noticed the sigil). The ONLY reason for them to make a big deal out of the torture scenes is because they are important, which implies a bunch of other things and basically tells us how the season is going to end... The plot is just too obvious, too many clues as to how it will proceed. Doesn't help when reading this thread tho ugh. Then again we could be completely wrong.. That'd be nice. Please surprise me GRRM. | ||
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