On April 15 2012 05:36 hugedong wrote: No such thing as a lead character in this show.
Stark was a lead character in season one, I don't know if intentionally or not, but the show revolved around him.
Lack of such character in season 2 is really weakening the show!
Why do you think it's weaker? What does the show lack now that it doesn't have a well-defined lead?
I don't get the feeling there isn't a "big name" to follow, its just a matter of which character's arc tickles your fancy. Jon Snow north of the wall? Tyrion in King's Landing? Arya on the King's Road? Rob in the Riverlands? Theon in the Iron Islands? I don't think any of those characters are weak/poorly written for or played out on screen.
On April 15 2012 05:36 hugedong wrote: No such thing as a lead character in this show.
Stark was a lead character in season one, I don't know if intentionally or not, but the show revolved around him.
Lack of such character in season 2 is really weakening the show!
Why do you think it's weaker? What does the show lack now that it doesn't have a well-defined lead?
I don't get the feeling there isn't a "big name" to follow, its just a matter of which character's arc tickles your fancy. Jon Snow north of the wall? Tyrion in King's Landing? Arya on the King's Road? Rob in the Riverlands? Theon in the Iron Islands? I don't think any of those characters are weak/poorly written for or played out on screen.
Just because none have that nobility and charisma in them and are generally too sided to become more important.
On April 15 2012 05:36 hugedong wrote: No such thing as a lead character in this show.
Stark was a lead character in season one, I don't know if intentionally or not, but the show revolved around him.
Lack of such character in season 2 is really weakening the show!
Why do you think it's weaker? What does the show lack now that it doesn't have a well-defined lead?
I don't get the feeling there isn't a "big name" to follow, its just a matter of which character's arc tickles your fancy. Jon Snow north of the wall? Tyrion in King's Landing? Arya on the King's Road? Rob in the Riverlands? Theon in the Iron Islands? I don't think any of those characters are weak/poorly written for or played out on screen.
Just because none have that nobility and charisma in them and are generally too sided to become more important.
id say tyrion has more charisma in his own way than anyone
On April 15 2012 05:36 hugedong wrote: No such thing as a lead character in this show.
Stark was a lead character in season one, I don't know if intentionally or not, but the show revolved around him.
Lack of such character in season 2 is really weakening the show!
Why do you think it's weaker? What does the show lack now that it doesn't have a well-defined lead?
I don't get the feeling there isn't a "big name" to follow, its just a matter of which character's arc tickles your fancy. Jon Snow north of the wall? Tyrion in King's Landing? Arya on the King's Road? Rob in the Riverlands? Theon in the Iron Islands? I don't think any of those characters are weak/poorly written for or played out on screen.
Just because none have that nobility and charisma in them and are generally too sided to become more important.
id say tyrion has more charisma in his own way than anyone
I think he's saying that the viewer has no moral compass without Ned, so everything just seems like bickering among biased parties.
I get that sentiment, but I think there are still good people that the viewer can trust, namely the Stark family, Jon Snow, and (I think) Tyrion.
Also, the show is arguably more interesting without a central moral figure. Pretty much the entire "Great Modern TV Shows" list (The Wire, The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Mad Men) do away with a "good" lead character in favor of personalized, ambiguous moral codes. It takes more work on the part of the viewer, but, in the end, I believe shows are richer and more satisfying that way.
Stannis is the rightful heir to the throne! Joffrey whoreson is a maniacal prick born of incest, Balon greyjoy is a smelly old pirate, Dany is on the other side of the world, Robb just wants his little corner of Westeros, and Renly likes rainbows! Gogogo Stannis and Davos!!!
I think Tyrion would make a great lead character, considering that he's well aware that Joffrey is a little shit and I think he's the only important person in King's Landing that would mock Joffrey to his face (he's already done plenty of that in episode 1, lol). He's also the biggest fan favorite so him getting as much attention as Ned did in season 1 would be perfect.
On April 15 2012 05:36 hugedong wrote: No such thing as a lead character in this show.
Stark was a lead character in season one, I don't know if intentionally or not, but the show revolved around him.
Lack of such character in season 2 is really weakening the show!
The big thing of the books/story, is that there is no main character. Or better: There are many main characters! However, this very hard or even impossible to show you detail's about all the chars in so short air time. Because this mulit main chars and the detail description on them all, cant be there in the show, they have to find a way to get around it.
Even if this way is to change the story a little bit. After 0202 im afraid that they dont do it because last episode was just key-scene after key-scene. Even mixing key-scenes together. Not a single sentence or picture was unimportant for the story. If you show so much stuff, in so short time, you loose the feeling for "the story".
e.g. There is a difference if you just hear the sentence "all widlings are gone north" or: If you see them travel 15 min throw empty citys and endless snow, so that you ask yourself the question: "where did they go?" before you hear the answer.
Its stupid to compare books to films or series. Its a different format and you have to respect that. I think the only solution is, to alter the story, cut some site story complete out and focus more on others. You have to adept to the format and the time, to tell the/a good story. People who read the books may think about the missing parts but for all others it will only look like a row of keyscense without the feeling and exiting for the story.
--- just the be clear before some complains that the word book is in this post: I write about how to adept a story that original comes from a book can be adept to a tv format and why i feel they fail in this at the moment. Without spoiling anything and without compare them (what is always stupid because they are different formats)
It's also worth noting that the scale of the story in season 2 is much more grand than season 1. In season 1, it was mostly about the feud between House Stark and House Lannister. Naturally, the events that occurred in the last episodes of season 1 attracted the attention from all over Westeros, so there's a lot more to worry about than just House Lannister.
On April 16 2012 04:26 LoLAdriankat wrote: It's also worth noting that the scale of the story in season 2 is much more grand than season 1. In season 1, it was mostly about the feud between House Stark and House Lannister. Naturally, the events that occurred in the last episodes of season 1 attracted the attention from all over Westeros, so there's a lot more to worry about than just House Lannister.
Yah once they really introduce Renly's camp I think everything will start to come together for the show.
On April 16 2012 04:50 houseurmusic wrote: LOL snl's take on game of thrones nudity. Mainly how the writers are adding more sex to the show when there was already enough enough the books.
Its kind of wired for me that this is mentioned all the time. I think, this is a culture difference between eu and us.
This is an American series that handle sex very free for American standards. I understand the culture "shock" but sex is an important part of life. So i think its normal that its a important part in a story about lifes.
EDIT: i thought Martin comes from UK but he comes from USA.