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On April 16 2012 05:03 skeldark wrote:Its kind of wired for me that this is mentioned all the time. I think, this is a culture difference between eu and us. Sex is an important part of life. So in Europe its normal that its a important part in a story about lifes.
Going to the bathroom is an important part of life yet TV shows rarely show people going to the bathroom.
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It's an American book.
Also, much of the criticism is not about the fact that they show nudity, but the way in which sex is used in the storytelling. It is almost always used as a backdrop for expositionary dialogue, and is seldom between two characters where the sex act is important to their relationship. Instead they bring in prostitutes that have little to do with the rest of the story. The sex (that is shown) usually doesn't influence the motivations and relationships between the characters. There are of course counterexamples, but I am talking about what I see as the norm in the series.
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For some characters the sex scene's are important however. Like the guy who fingered his own sister(lol), can't remember his name. The sex scenes are a good way of enforcing his character.
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On April 16 2012 05:20 Enervate wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 05:03 skeldark wrote:Its kind of wired for me that this is mentioned all the time. I think, this is a culture difference between eu and us. Sex is an important part of life. So in Europe its normal that its a important part in a story about lifes. Going to the bathroom is an important part of life yet TV shows rarely show people going to the bathroom.
Because it is no interaction with other people (normally..).
Also most people dont see sex important like the importance of shiting or eating.
On April 16 2012 05:23 Maginor wrote:
It's an American book.
Your right. Strange i always tough hes come from GB.
Also, much of the critique is not about the fact that they show nudity, but the way in which sex is used in the storytelling. It is almost always used as a backdrop for expositionary dialogue, and is seldom between two characters where the sex act is important to their relationship. Instead they bring in prostitutes that have little to do with the rest of the story. The sex (that is shown) usually doesn't influence the motivations and relationships between the characters. There are of course counterexamples, but I am talking about what I see as the norm in the series.
I did not have this feeling. All sex scene i remember where very important to describe a relationship or a character.
The last one with stanis and the witch you saw in the series is very important for the storyline.
On April 16 2012 05:26 Recognizable wrote:
For some characters the sex scene's are important however. Like the guy who fingered his own sister(lol), can't remember his name. The sex scenes are a good way of enforcing his character.
This one scene describe their hole relationship.
He does everything to have fast success, she is planing and testing but is willing to go over the "standards" for it.
Also her way was more successful this time than his. She found out what kind of person she is dealing with and also make sure he is not concentrated in the important upcoming visit with their father.
It was an important part of their personal "game of thrones..."
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ref: http://gawker.com/5902076/snl-explains-the-nudity-in-game-of-thrones
I fear its because a lot of people that watch the show do not understand the whole story and get bored during all the talking. The writers must feel that they have to throw in unnecessary sex and action scenes. One of the biggest critiques of last season was that some viewers wanted to see more action and less talking so they open this season with Clegane knocking some other guy off a bridge (which wasn't in the books).
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Examples of places where i think it served a function and was used well is with Cersei/Jaime, Renly/Loras, Dany/Drogo and to some extent with Theon/whoever (though he was very keen about telling his whole life story to Ros). It also wasn't that bad with Viserys/Doreah, but that scene was clearly written just so that he could dump a lot of information about the ancient Targaryen dragons. I wonder if they could have done that more creatively. It also wouldn't be that bad if they hadn't used the exact same technique with the Littlefinger monologue (and the earlier mentioned Theon scene). That is, put some sex in so that the information dump doesn't become too boring. Even though it was a clever idea how his instructions to the prostitutes mirrored how he himself played the game, it didn't really work imo.
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On April 16 2012 05:36 houseurmusic wrote:
No discussion about the books in this thread. Discuss the series at its own merit.
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On April 16 2012 05:37 Maginor wrote:
Examples of places where i think it served a function and was used well is with Cersei/Jaime, Renly/Loras, Dany/Drogo and to some extent with Theon/whoever (though he was very keen about telling his whole life story to Ros). It also wasn't that bad with Viserys/Doreah, but that scene was clearly written just so that he could dump a lot of information about the ancient Targaryen dragons. I wonder if they could have done that more creatively. It also wouldn't be that bad if they hadn't used the exact same technique with the Littlefinger monologue (and the earlier mentioned Theon scene). That is, put some sex in so that the information dump doesn't become too boring. Even though it was a clever idea how his instructions to the prostitutes mirrored how he himself played the game, it didn't really work imo.
It was a efficient way to show the monologue (always hard to do in tv), introduce that he makes his money with prostitutes and his ability to play a role in the kings council like he can play his role as a pimp.
It should show us, the contrast between his roles and so, that both are only roles for him.
But i understand it felled a little bit random in this scene.
On April 16 2012 05:38 Maginor wrote:No discussion about the books in this thread. Discuss the series at its own merit.
I total understand you don't want this "OH But this is different in the book, QQ" stuff.
But i think his post was ok, because he only used it to say that the maker of the show concentrate on more action at the moment.
So his main point was not the difference his main point was the direction of the show.
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On April 16 2012 05:50 skeldark wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 05:37 Maginor wrote:
Examples of places where i think it served a function and was used well is with Cersei/Jaime, Renly/Loras, Dany/Drogo and to some extent with Theon/whoever (though he was very keen about telling his whole life story to Ros). It also wasn't that bad with Viserys/Doreah, but that scene was clearly written just so that he could dump a lot of information about the ancient Targaryen dragons. I wonder if they could have done that more creatively. It also wouldn't be that bad if they hadn't used the exact same technique with the Littlefinger monologue (and the earlier mentioned Theon scene). That is, put some sex in so that the information dump doesn't become too boring. Even though it was a clever idea how his instructions to the prostitutes mirrored how he himself played the game, it didn't really work imo. It was a efficient way to show the monologue (always hard to do in tv), introduce that he makes his money with prostitutes and his ability to play a role in the kings council like he can play his role as a pimp. It should show the contrast between his roles and show this way that both are only roles for him. But i understand it felled a little bit random.
We knew that he owned brothels. That had been established since episode 3. And as I said, it also wouldn't be that bad if this storytelling technique had been used only once instead of multiple times.
About book discussion, a rule is a rule here. As we have seen earlier in this thread if you let it slip, it really slips.
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Btw: something total different.
At what time (with timezone) does this show air in america?
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On April 16 2012 06:02 skeldark wrote:
Btw: something total different.
At what time (with timezone) does this show air in america?
9pm on East Coast
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On April 16 2012 05:20 Enervate wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 05:03 skeldark wrote:Its kind of wired for me that this is mentioned all the time. I think, this is a culture difference between eu and us. Sex is an important part of life. So in Europe its normal that its a important part in a story about lifes. Going to the bathroom is an important part of life yet TV shows rarely show people going to the bathroom.
I totally agree with this, there should be more pee/poo scenes and random other stuff like sneezing, coughing, burping etc. IT would make the show seem more authentic!
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On April 16 2012 06:41 dgwow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 05:20 Enervate wrote:On April 16 2012 05:03 skeldark wrote:Its kind of wired for me that this is mentioned all the time. I think, this is a culture difference between eu and us. Sex is an important part of life. So in Europe its normal that its a important part in a story about lifes. Going to the bathroom is an important part of life yet TV shows rarely show people going to the bathroom. I totally agree with this, there should be more pee/poo scenes and random other stuff like sneezing, coughing, burping etc. IT would make the show seem more authentic!
It would be even further enhanced if the characters could catch the flu or something similar and lie in bed for days!
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On April 16 2012 05:36 houseurmusic wrote:ref: http://gawker.com/5902076/snl-explains-the-nudity-in-game-of-thronesI fear its because a lot of people that watch the show do not understand the whole story and get bored during all the talking. The writers must feel that they have to throw in unnecessary sex and action scenes. One of the biggest critiques of last season was that some viewers wanted to see more action and less talking so they open this season with Clegane knocking some other guy off a bridge (which wasn't in the books).
SNL HAS REDEEMED THEMSELVES WITH THIS EPIC SKIT.
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On April 16 2012 06:41 dgwow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 05:20 Enervate wrote:On April 16 2012 05:03 skeldark wrote:Its kind of wired for me that this is mentioned all the time. I think, this is a culture difference between eu and us. Sex is an important part of life. So in Europe its normal that its a important part in a story about lifes. Going to the bathroom is an important part of life yet TV shows rarely show people going to the bathroom. I totally agree with this, there should be more pee/poo scenes and random other stuff like sneezing, coughing, burping etc. IT would make the show seem more authentic!
no, it would just waste time.
instead of spending 10 minutes watching tyrion take a big dump and then have a sneezing fit, we could have been watching another character doing something meaningful. like theon being a perverted man whore, to increase his image of 'promiscuity'.
scenes of sex and violence also trigger something physiological in your brain, which feels good, the same can't be said for faeces, phlegm and vomit.
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So much sex this season, i love it.
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The grandmaester didnt piss himself 
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On April 16 2012 05:20 Enervate wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 05:03 skeldark wrote:Its kind of wired for me that this is mentioned all the time. I think, this is a culture difference between eu and us. Sex is an important part of life. So in Europe its normal that its a important part in a story about lifes. Going to the bathroom is an important part of life yet TV shows rarely show people going to the bathroom.
I know this is all just random stuff but the 2nd episode DID start out with arya taking a piss in the woods =P
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Poor Theon. It really sucks his father is such an asshole.
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On April 16 2012 10:49 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 05:20 Enervate wrote:On April 16 2012 05:03 skeldark wrote:Its kind of wired for me that this is mentioned all the time. I think, this is a culture difference between eu and us. Sex is an important part of life. So in Europe its normal that its a important part in a story about lifes. Going to the bathroom is an important part of life yet TV shows rarely show people going to the bathroom. I know this is all just random stuff but the 2nd episode DID start out with arya taking a piss in the woods =P
I also seem to recall Tyrion pissing off the wall.
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