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pred470r
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Bulgaria3265 Posts
April 10 2012 11:34 GMT
#7541
Very nice preview for the next episode, I can't wait till Sunday.
Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 13:19:26
April 10 2012 13:16 GMT
#7542
On April 10 2012 13:13 LilClinkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 11:21 Zinroc wrote:

Last season ended with an epic standoff between the Lanisters and Robb and 2 episodes in the only progress to that storyline was one conversation between Jamie and Robb...

Why? because we need to introduce Stannis... the least interesting character by far...
I mean, does anyone have any emotional attachment in him?
Is anyone else just frustrated that in a world with so many fiercely manipulative/ honorable / brutal / ambitious / clever leaders someone as mediocre as him gets screen time?


Sorry but season1 focused mainly on the Lannister/Stark conflict. From here on out, the scope of the plot expands drastically, as every royal house in the seven kingdoms is seeking to capitalize on the political instability caused by Ned's execution and the accusations that Joffrey is bastard born. That is why you're introduced to Stannis in ep1 and Balon in ep2, and in ep3 I suspect you will also be introduced to Renly. These are not side-plots. They are integral to the over-arching story and theme of the show/books.


Then why the fuck do we get 10 mins inside the brothel ? I couldn't give a fuck about who the whores are fucking honestly, or why the bitch is crying. However the scenes with Tyron Lannister were fucking brilliant.

And we only get 3 mins of Daenarys, we didn't even see the dragons
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 14:17:30
April 10 2012 13:48 GMT
#7543
On April 10 2012 22:16 Nizaris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 13:13 LilClinkin wrote:
On April 10 2012 11:21 Zinroc wrote:

Last season ended with an epic standoff between the Lanisters and Robb and 2 episodes in the only progress to that storyline was one conversation between Jamie and Robb...

Why? because we need to introduce Stannis... the least interesting character by far...
I mean, does anyone have any emotional attachment in him?
Is anyone else just frustrated that in a world with so many fiercely manipulative/ honorable / brutal / ambitious / clever leaders someone as mediocre as him gets screen time?


Sorry but season1 focused mainly on the Lannister/Stark conflict. From here on out, the scope of the plot expands drastically, as every royal house in the seven kingdoms is seeking to capitalize on the political instability caused by Ned's execution and the accusations that Joffrey is bastard born. That is why you're introduced to Stannis in ep1 and Balon in ep2, and in ep3 I suspect you will also be introduced to Renly. These are not side-plots. They are integral to the over-arching story and theme of the show/books.


Then why the fuck do we get 10 mins inside the brothel ? I couldn't give a fuck about who the whores are fucking honestly, or why the bitch is crying. However the scenes with Tyron Lannister were fucking brilliant.

And we only get 3 mins of Daenarys, we didn't even see the dragons

Because that scene is supposed to show you Littlefinger way of thinking and doing stuff not the whores.

And I guess 10s of dragons costs more then 5 min of Roz naked :D
Emix_Squall
Profile Joined February 2012
France705 Posts
April 10 2012 14:09 GMT
#7544
Stereotypes are having a hard time ....
We're on a thread about a medieval fantastic drama show and people are complaining that the amount of sex scenes is making them uncomfortable.

Seriously people we're going 5 steps backwards as far as general opinion about nerds is concerned.

It totally makes sense that so much sex scenes would be included in such a story. I haven't read the book and I don't know if they are that important in there, but as far as visualizing this kind of world is concerned, it wouldn't seem realistic at all without that. In fact I'm surprised we didn't saw more of it in the first season considering the emphasis the season put on strong female characters (sex is undeniably a major leverage in every relationship).
crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
April 10 2012 14:23 GMT
#7545
On April 10 2012 23:09 Emix_Squall wrote:
Stereotypes are having a hard time ....
We're on a thread about a medieval fantastic drama show and people are complaining that the amount of sex scenes is making them uncomfortable.

Seriously people we're going 5 steps backwards as far as general opinion about nerds is concerned.

It totally makes sense that so much sex scenes would be included in such a story. I haven't read the book and I don't know if they are that important in there, but as far as visualizing this kind of world is concerned, it wouldn't seem realistic at all without that. In fact I'm surprised we didn't saw more of it in the first season considering the emphasis the season put on strong female characters (sex is undeniably a major leverage in every relationship).


Agree with you, but also, the sexscenes are really bad. Maybe they are ment to be bad, + Show Spoiler +
cause Stannis had some pretty emotional sex himself. Not sure if it's only cause he wanted a son or what.


Emix_Squall
Profile Joined February 2012
France705 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 14:40:18
April 10 2012 14:27 GMT
#7546
On April 10 2012 23:23 crappen wrote:
Agree with you, but also, the sexscenes are really bad. Maybe they are ment to be bad, + Show Spoiler +
cause Stannis had some pretty emotional sex himself. Not sure if it's only cause he wanted a son or what.



He kinda turns into a rapist at the end of that scene by the way ... I mean the way he looks at Melisandre and acts after she whispered at his ear is very .... let's say beastly ...
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15355 Posts
April 10 2012 14:38 GMT
#7547
Stop spoilering stuff that has already been aired please.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
Hoban
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1600 Posts
April 10 2012 14:46 GMT
#7548
On April 10 2012 23:27 Emix_Squall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 23:23 crappen wrote:
Agree with you, but also, the sexscenes are really bad. Maybe they are ment to be bad, + Show Spoiler +
cause Stannis had some pretty emotional sex himself. Not sure if it's only cause he wanted a son or what.



He kinda turns into a rapist at the end of that scene by the way ... I mean the way he looks at Melisandre and acts after she whispered at his ear is very .... let's say beastly ...


I'm pretty sure she really really really wanted to have his babies. Imagine you are Stannis, you have had a wife forever who gave you no kids, and this super hot witch-lady promised you an heir and throws off her garments. I am pretty sure you would look a little ferocious to as you jumped her on top of the war-table.
"I am a leaf on the wind."
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 10 2012 14:52 GMT
#7549
On April 10 2012 23:38 zatic wrote:
Stop spoilering stuff that has already been aired please.


Huh? What are we supposed to talk about in here then?
RCMDVA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States708 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 15:04:37
April 10 2012 15:00 GMT
#7550
I watched the Maester Cressen/Melsandre poisiong scene a couple times. I'm either I'm just dense or that scene didn't flow too well.

Was Melesandre supposed to drink first? Then Cressen drinks second & dies?

The way I saw it... Cressen drinks first and is hemmoraging instantly... then as Melesandre drinks as blood is coming out of his nose.

That dosen't make sense. (aside from the fact Davos almost yells at the table "Don't do it bro!" at the start of the scene)

Or am I missing something?


chroniX
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
517 Posts
April 10 2012 15:02 GMT
#7551
On April 11 2012 00:00 RCMDVA wrote:

I watched the Maester Cressen/Melsandre poisiong scene a couple times. I'm either I'm just dense or that scene didn't flow too well.

Was Melesandre supposed to drink first? Then Cressen drinks second & dies?

The way I saw it... Cressen drinks first and is hemmoraging instantly... then as Melesandre drinks as blood is coming out of his nose.

That dosen't make sense. Or am I missing something?




Yea something went wrong during this scene. I found the way he put the poison into the drink hilarious aswell. SO obvious haha!
ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
April 10 2012 15:02 GMT
#7552
On April 11 2012 00:00 RCMDVA wrote:

I watched the Maester Cressen/Melsandre poisiong scene a couple times. I'm either I'm just dense or that scene didn't flow too well.

Was Melesandre supposed to drink first? Then Cressen drinks second & dies?

The way I saw it... Cressen drinks first and is hemmoraging instantly... then as Melesandre drinks as blood is coming out of his nose.

That dosen't make sense. Or am I missing something?




She drinks knowing that it won't harm her. It is the first inclination you get that she has some sort of magical power. Cressen was trying to poison both of them, figuring that he was old and it wouldn't matter if he died as long as Stannis was spared from her influence.
ZeroCartin
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2390 Posts
April 10 2012 15:05 GMT
#7553
On April 11 2012 00:00 RCMDVA wrote:
I watched the Maester Cressen/Melsandre poisiong scene a couple times. I'm either I'm just dense or that scene didn't flow too well.

Was Melesandre supposed to drink first? Then Cressen drinks second & dies?

The way I saw it... Cressen drinks first and is hemmoraging instantly... then as Melesandre drinks as blood is coming out of his nose.

That dosen't make sense. (aside from the fact Davos at the almost yells at the table "Don't do it bro!" at the start of the scene)

Or am I missing something?



I think its either
A) He drank it not knowing it was poison since Melesandre switched cups before.
B) Both cups were poisoned. Melesandre knew it all along, but she is not afraid of dying. She is some kind of witch with super powers and can not die to poison. Cressen drank it in order to give confidence to Melesandre and sacrifice himself.
"My sister is on vacation in Costa Rica right now. I hope she stays a while because she's a miserable cunt." -pubbanana
pred470r
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Bulgaria3265 Posts
April 10 2012 15:07 GMT
#7554
On April 10 2012 23:52 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 23:38 zatic wrote:
Stop spoilering stuff that has already been aired please.


Huh? What are we supposed to talk about in here then?

He means to say that people don't have to put stuff that was aired in spoilers.
Emix_Squall
Profile Joined February 2012
France705 Posts
April 10 2012 15:07 GMT
#7555
On April 10 2012 23:52 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 23:38 zatic wrote:
Stop spoilering stuff that has already been aired please.


Huh? What are we supposed to talk about in here then?


In think he was talking about putting spoiler banners when talking about already aired content. Of course we can talk about what's been aired ^^

As far as the scen with Melisandre and Cressen is concerned, I think he wanted to suicide, hoping he would take her with him. But she clearly saw trough his game, let him drink and waited enough to make us think she wouldn't drink at all. But than, when he's obviously started to bleed, and she's obviously noticed it, she still drinks the glass as a provocation to show him it doesn't affect her.
Considering the word she spoke to Davos' son in episode 2, I'm starting to think of her as a true Targaryen like Daenaerys. Poison doesn't affect her as she as fire burning trough her veins (or something like that) and she made some other references to fire.
Magus
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada450 Posts
April 10 2012 15:09 GMT
#7556
On April 11 2012 00:05 ZeroCartin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 00:00 RCMDVA wrote:
I watched the Maester Cressen/Melsandre poisiong scene a couple times. I'm either I'm just dense or that scene didn't flow too well.

Was Melesandre supposed to drink first? Then Cressen drinks second & dies?

The way I saw it... Cressen drinks first and is hemmoraging instantly... then as Melesandre drinks as blood is coming out of his nose.

That dosen't make sense. (aside from the fact Davos at the almost yells at the table "Don't do it bro!" at the start of the scene)

Or am I missing something?



I think its either
A) He drank it not knowing it was poison since Melesandre switched cups before.
B) Both cups were poisoned. Melesandre knew it all along, but she is not afraid of dying. She is some kind of witch with super powers and can not die to poison. Cressen drank it in order to give confidence to Melesandre and sacrifice himself.

Order of Events!
-He drinks to prove it's not poison, then offers her the glass
-She waits until he starts hemorrhaging and then drinks it KNOWING it's poison to prove it won't hurt her
-He dies, and she doesn't
Butcherski
Profile Joined April 2010
Poland446 Posts
April 10 2012 15:14 GMT
#7557
Something i noticed during that scene when rewatching the episode for the second time is that her necklace diamon started pulsing red when she drank the poison. No idea how i've missed that for the first time.

Waiting two weeks for the next episode is horrible
"Well Tasteless, i once met a three-toed sloth with good marauder control " - Artosis
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21965 Posts
April 10 2012 15:16 GMT
#7558
The scene with the poison does come off a bit wierd but I think its mainly done to get the point across.
Cressen is willing to die to save Stannis from her influence and knows he will only get her to drink if he drinks himself.
Melisandre knows that it is poison but drinks anyway because the lord of light protects her.

Yet to get the second point across the viewer has to know that Melisandre knows about the poison. Hence the bleeding infront of her, its the way the show convinced the viewer Melisandre sees through it but isnt afraid.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
kingcoyote
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States546 Posts
April 10 2012 15:21 GMT
#7559
On April 10 2012 23:52 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 23:38 zatic wrote:
Stop spoilering stuff that has already been aired please.


Huh? What are we supposed to talk about in here then?


He means stop putting spoiler tags around stuff that has been aired. If it's already been aired, then you don't need to mark it as a spoiler (like the line above me about Stannis and Melisandre's sex scene).
lannisport
Profile Joined February 2012
878 Posts
April 10 2012 15:22 GMT
#7560
I just noticed that Melisandre is played by Carice van Houten, the lead actress from the Black Book and that Osha is played by that purple haired girl from Harry Potter. Really cool casting.
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