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On April 03 2012 04:47 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 04:28 D10 wrote: They probably are gonna fail at capturing the book in a clear way, as there is so much going on.
Unless they start making more episodes per season, theres gonna be some disapointments.
PS: Yes I imagined stannis as leonidas too
User was warned for this post When you try so hard to keep from enjoying things it's easy to be dissapointed.
I rather enjoy the show very much, its the pacing that is disapointing.
Also, I was expecting the baratheons bastard helmet to look more shinny, doesnt even seem to fit in his head
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On April 03 2012 04:54 r00ty wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 04:38 ZasZ. wrote: In a desperate move, he poisons two drinks, one for himself and one for Melisandre, in the hopes of taking her down with him. He's horrified when he realizes that the poison is killing him, but not affecting her at all (implying some kind of true sorcery, rather than just smoke and mirrors).
All of this is in the episode, but they go over it so quickly and some of it is so subtle that the casual viewer who hasn't read the books has a hard time knowing what's going on. It's only one cup, his cup. The only purpose of drinking first from it, is not raising suspicion. He's already clearly showing signs of poisoning (nosebleeding, shivering) and she still drinks it, that's when the viewer knows she's not a normal person. That's how i got it. They did very poor job with with whole Stanis, Davos, Melisandre, maester plot. If someone didn't read the book I can totally understand their confusion. Why is Stanis behaving like that, wtf is this wood burning on the beach and why, why did that guy who saw the poisoning didn't speak up etc.?. It is shorten to infinity, but maybe they will explain more later in the episodes. I think they've tried to show every character in first episode, whatever small "screen "time" just show to them and give people taste of what's to come.
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On April 03 2012 05:02 D10 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 04:47 Leth0 wrote:On April 03 2012 04:28 D10 wrote: They probably are gonna fail at capturing the book in a clear way, as there is so much going on.
Unless they start making more episodes per season, theres gonna be some disapointments.
PS: Yes I imagined stannis as leonidas too
User was warned for this post When you try so hard to keep from enjoying things it's easy to be dissapointed. I rather enjoy the show very much, its the pacing that is disapointing. Also, I was expecting the baratheons bastard helmet to look more shinny, doesnt even seem to fit in his head
I'm sure you're a fun person to hang around , nitpicking every petty thing that crosses your mind. The pacing is fine, it's an HBO 'adaptation' of the book, it is not going to be page for page what is in the books.
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On April 03 2012 04:31 Jester2k wrote: Steven Erikksons - Malazan Book of The Fallen are really good. ^_^
I hate to be off-topic, but just to clarify... Malazan is indeed very good, but you should know what you're getting into when you pick them up. They do not tell a single story in linear fashion from volume to volume (10 books total). They jump around in time and place and give you windows into a world, and you won't really be fitting the pieces together until the latter half of the series. As long as that doesn't bother you, yes, check out Malazan. First volume is "Gardens of the Moon".
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On April 03 2012 05:05 Jochan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 04:54 r00ty wrote:On April 03 2012 04:38 ZasZ. wrote: In a desperate move, he poisons two drinks, one for himself and one for Melisandre, in the hopes of taking her down with him. He's horrified when he realizes that the poison is killing him, but not affecting her at all (implying some kind of true sorcery, rather than just smoke and mirrors).
All of this is in the episode, but they go over it so quickly and some of it is so subtle that the casual viewer who hasn't read the books has a hard time knowing what's going on. It's only one cup, his cup. The only purpose of drinking first from it, is not raising suspicion. He's already clearly showing signs of poisoning (nosebleeding, shivering) and she still drinks it, that's when the viewer knows she's not a normal person. That's how i got it. They did very poor job with with whole Stanis, Davos, Melisandre, maester plot. If someone didn't read the book I can totally understand their confusion. Why is Stanis behaving like that, wtf is this wood burning on the beach and why, why did that guy who saw the poisoning didn't speak up etc.?. It is shorten to infinity, but maybe they will explain more later in the episodes. I think they've tried to show every character in first episode, whatever small "screen "time" just show to them and give people taste of what's to come.
Yea i agree. I think i would be totally confused if i havent read the books. Now im just unsatisfied with the pace they handled this plot. Rest of the episode was pretty good!
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I think they should have shown half of the characters in the pilot that they did, but give them more screen time, and show the other half in the second episode with equal time. That way they could have given us more and there would be less confusion about what's going on in this season.
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the camerawork and shots were a lot better than the previous season, the art was fantastic as well. the sex scenes though still feel tacked on. btw who is the bright red haired chick? i dont remember her from the previous.
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I really wish people would stop talking about the books. "If someone hasn't read the books I have no idea how they would understand this" or "I don't like the way this is done because it is slightly different from the books" has been said hundreds of times. Can we actually discuss the episode? If we want to compare it to the books I think there might be another thread for that.
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On April 03 2012 05:18 pred470r wrote: I think they should have shown half of the characters in the pilot that they did, but give them more screen time, and show the other half in the second episode with equal time. That way they could have given us more and there would be less confusion about what's going on in this season.
there probably already struggaling to fit this in a 10 episode season. its a 600 page book. if they had a bigger budget im sure they would but theres no way they can do it in 10 episodes
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On April 03 2012 05:18 WniO wrote: the camerawork and shots were a lot better than the previous season, the art was fantastic as well. the sex scenes though still feel tacked on. btw who is the bright red haired chick? i dont remember her from the previous.
She is Melisandre, advisor to Stannis Baratheon. She, or anyone else in that arm of the story for that matter, hadn't been introduced yet, which is why people had a hard time following that scene.
And we are talking about the adaptation of the book...it's perfectly natural to discuss what we think they did right, wrong, or not as good as they could have here. "That other thread" is for discussing what happens in Books 2, 3, 4, and 5 that hasn't been included in the TV series yet.
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You can't directly compare literature to cinematography, they rely on completely different devices. Yes, the book is more descriptive, because it's a book.
But I haven't read them, and all I know is that I'm watching a damn good piece film.
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I think they did a great job, they won't explain every single bit of the story, just like in season 1 and I think ppl will just have to live with it. The actor playing Davos is very similar to what I had imagined. I thought the acting was done quite well by everyone except Stannis. Just didn't feel right. Emilia Clarke delivered as always. And the Littlefinger vs Cersei thing was so well done, it portays just what has been going on the entire show, ppl who scheme vs ppl who have the power (and also scheme). That's just my 2cents but I think there are pretty good things ahead ^^
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I was so happy to watch the new episode. Then I realized I have to wait for another week until the nex one. The wait is literally killing me.
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On April 03 2012 05:29 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 05:18 WniO wrote: the camerawork and shots were a lot better than the previous season, the art was fantastic as well. the sex scenes though still feel tacked on. btw who is the bright red haired chick? i dont remember her from the previous. She is Melisandre, advisor to Stannis Baratheon. She, or anyone else in that arm of the story for that matter, hadn't been introduced yet, which is why people had a hard time following that scene. And we are talking about the adaptation of the book...it's perfectly natural to discuss what we think they did right, wrong, or not as good as they could have here. "That other thread" is for discussing what happens in Books 2, 3, 4, and 5 that hasn't been included in the TV series yet. Read the rules of the thread. Take the discussion to the other thread.
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On April 03 2012 05:25 Phelski wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 05:18 pred470r wrote: I think they should have shown half of the characters in the pilot that they did, but give them more screen time, and show the other half in the second episode with equal time. That way they could have given us more and there would be less confusion about what's going on in this season. there probably already struggaling to fit this in a 10 episode season. its a 600 page book. if they had a bigger budget im sure they would but theres no way they can do it in 10 episodes The last I read GoT has a budget nearing $70 million ... there aren't many shows that rival that. In fact GoT is probably one of most expensive series ever produced. Not sure what kind of a budget you should expect but I doubt HBO will fail to put together a quality product. If the producers were toiling away trying to stretch $30 or $40 million this argument might hold water, but you can't just say "they need a bigger budget" when you have no sense of perspective.
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On April 03 2012 05:34 jxx wrote: I think they did a great job, they won't explain every single bit of the story, just like in season 1 and I think ppl will just have to live with it. The actor playing Davos is very similar to what I had imagined. I thought the acting was done quite well by everyone except Stannis. Just didn't feel right. Emilia Clarke delivered as always. And the Littlefinger vs Cersei thing was so well done, it portays just what has been going on the entire show, ppl who scheme vs ppl who have the power (and also scheme). That's just my 2cents but I think there are pretty good things ahead ^^ Actually I loved stannis, the first time he appears(When melisandre goes to him and tell him to pick up his sword at the beach) the look on his face was just perfect.
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I haven't read the books and while I think the Stannis scenes could have been longer, they were fine. It's pretty clear that the Maester poisoned himself so Melisandre wouldn't become suspicious, probably because he thinks Stannis is just mislead by her and her death would bring him back to "the right path" even if he has to die for that himself. And Melisandre drank anyway because she wanted to show him (and maybe other people too) how futile his death was and that she cannot be stopped.
I just loved the episode, can't wait for more.
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Power cut, 10 minutes into the premiere. Fuck...
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On April 03 2012 06:07 Kojaimea wrote: Power cut, 10 minutes into the premiere. Fuck... I'm not a loud person, but this would be one of those times when I would actually involuntarily just scream "No!' , or perhaps the more appropriate "Fu!".
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her neck glowed after drinking poison, what trickery is this? is she some prophet/goddess/witch? is her god the true god? how come shes got power while others dont? (as far as i know)
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