I sort of agree. It's a bit interesting the way Viserys is treated; our opinion of him is heavily influenced by our perception of the Targs I think. Because he's a spoiled brat, we assume he has the Targ madness and that's going to drive him in the future (which is likely will, but we're judging the man based on his family). There's sort of an interesting and sympathetic backstory there of hardship early in his life; he wasn't called the beggar king for nothing and he wasn't always living lavishly as Illyrio's guest.
Though in the books he does attempt to (unsuccessfully) have sex with Dany, or rape her, before her wedding to Drogo and does descent into increasingly abusive mannerisms. So by no means is he at all a good person.
Oh for sure he is not a good person, I never claimed that. My only claim has always been that his crimes never fit the punishment which was a gruesome death almost by the hands of his sister (although it is questionable if she could have stopped Khal Drogo but she didn't even care to try).
On May 28 2019 19:55 Wombat_NI wrote: I think it’s an implication that he was pretty routinely sexually abusive, I preferred it when GoT hinted but didn’t show.
She did protect him as well initially so there’s that.
Viserys deserves to die as much as almost any character in GoT because he’s a terrible person for one, but he’s also a complete dumbass who doesn’t realise what situation he’s in. Dangerous combo in that environment of Dothraki night is right culture
How is he a terrible person? He did nothing by the time he died. He killed nobody, he raped nobody. He conquered nobody.
Your stance is that everyone that does not hold your values is a terrible person and needs to die? Really?
EDIT: Because I didn't see any reason for him to die. There is barely a reason for that guy from ep 1 that Ned beheads to die. And he did more wrong for the society at large than Viserys did. And I think Ned felt more bad about him dying than Dany did for her own brother.
How do you get to that? He never got the chance to do anything as he was killed off quite quickly. And he probably did rape Dany anyway. Not to mention he kind of talked of conquering for his birthright, agreed to have his sister married off to Drogo to help facilitate that exact goal etc.
He ‘deserved’ his fate insofar as he was too dumb/arrogant to realise his place in the wider scheme of things, not necessarily because it was morally deserved, kind of like Bef meeting his end.
Viserys, along with Joffrey and Ramsay are the three that spring to my mind in terms of unambiguously bad, no real redeeming qualities characters.
There is quite a large reason for that person to die, deserting the Night’s Watch is a pretty big deal in universe, and Ned wasn’t exactly enthused at the task.
I don’t see any reason Dany should feel much for the end of Viserys given how he’s portrayed and how their relationship is portrayed throughout.
It's a little more complex than that in the books. A classic case of controlling the narrative by showing certain things over others.
Dany in the books explicitly says that Viserys was kind and loving when they were younger, and that he protected her tirelessly during all the years of exile leading up to selling her to the Dothraki. He was treated like a beggar, mocked and humiliated everywhere they went, and that treatment was what made him go crazy.
If you'd seen the story from Viserys's point of view it's highly likely everyone would be defending him and wishing death on the people that destroyed this poor sweet boy.
And again, this is stuff that Dany explicitly says in the books (well, thinks).
Ultimately Viserys was everyone else's pawn and tossed aside as useless once Dany was in position. He was old enough to remember the sack, Dany wasn't. He got to live through his entire family, everyone he knew, getting murdered, himself and his sister bundled out of King's Landing by Varys, across the narrow sea, and then he got to live in exile getting mocked and humiliated for about a decade only to discover at the end that nobody ever gave the slightest shit about him and Dany was the one they were after all along (it's hinted very strongly that Illyrio was banking on Dany over Viserys). Oh yeah, and his sister also humiliated him once she was made khaleesi, and the Dothraki mocked him as well.
But because you see nothing of his entirely sympathetic backstory he's just a one-dimensional hatesink whose death is viewed as being entirely deserved.
On May 28 2019 19:55 Wombat_NI wrote: I think it’s an implication that he was pretty routinely sexually abusive, I preferred it when GoT hinted but didn’t show.
She did protect him as well initially so there’s that.
Viserys deserves to die as much as almost any character in GoT because he’s a terrible person for one, but he’s also a complete dumbass who doesn’t realise what situation he’s in. Dangerous combo in that environment of Dothraki night is right culture
How is he a terrible person? He did nothing by the time he died. He killed nobody, he raped nobody. He conquered nobody.
Your stance is that everyone that does not hold your values is a terrible person and needs to die? Really?
EDIT: Because I didn't see any reason for him to die. There is barely a reason for that guy from ep 1 that Ned beheads to die. And he did more wrong for the society at large than Viserys did. And I think Ned felt more bad about him dying than Dany did for her own brother.
How do you get to that? He never got the chance to do anything as he was killed off quite quickly. And he probably did rape Dany anyway. Not to mention he kind of talked of conquering for his birthright, agreed to have his sister married off to Drogo to help facilitate that exact goal etc.
He ‘deserved’ his fate insofar as he was too dumb/arrogant to realise his place in the wider scheme of things, not necessarily because it was morally deserved, kind of like Bef meeting his end.
Viserys, along with Joffrey and Ramsay are the three that spring to my mind in terms of unambiguously bad, no real redeeming qualities characters.
There is quite a large reason for that person to die, deserting the Night’s Watch is a pretty big deal in universe, and Ned wasn’t exactly enthused at the task.
I don’t see any reason Dany should feel much for the end of Viserys given how he’s portrayed and how their relationship is portrayed throughout.
It's a little more complex than that in the books. A classic case of controlling the narrative by showing certain things over others.
Dany in the books explicitly says that Viserys was kind and loving when they were younger, and that he protected her tirelessly during all the years of exile leading up to selling her to the Dothraki. He was treated like a beggar, mocked and humiliated everywhere they went, and that treatment was what made him go crazy.
If you'd seen the story from Viserys's point of view it's highly likely everyone would be defending him and wishing death on the people that destroyed this poor sweet boy.
And again, this is stuff that Dany explicitly says in the books (well, thinks).
Ultimately Viserys was everyone else's pawn and tossed aside as useless once Dany was in position. He was old enough to remember the sack, Dany wasn't. He got to live through his entire family, everyone he knew, getting murdered, himself and his sister bundled out of King's Landing by Varys, across the narrow sea, and then he got to live in exile getting mocked and humiliated for about a decade only to discover at the end that nobody ever gave the slightest shit about him and Dany was the one they were after all along (it's hinted very strongly that Illyrio was banking on Dany over Viserys). Oh yeah, and his sister also humiliated him once she was made khaleesi, and the Dothraki mocked him as well.
But because you see nothing of his entirely sympathetic backstory he's just a one-dimensional hatesink whose death is viewed as being entirely deserved.
'Tis all about perspective and narrative control.
Yeah absolutely, I do like that angle, I suppose Dany’s arc meanders enough already without keeping all of that in the show.
On May 27 2019 00:15 FFGenerations wrote: no1 was thinking 'will dany burn down KL' when the bells were ringing. that's the whole fkin problem
read my previous post if you wanna see my alternate version of s8 its VERY well written
??? when the bells were ringing my immediate reaction was "oohhh shiiit shes about to kill everyone". I went into the episode thinking she was going to kill everyone. Im disappointed as fuck in how they actually did it, but thats a separate question.
On May 28 2019 05:46 Jek wrote: The discussion about Dany's mental health is quite interesting. I've read multiple articles written by psychologists diagnosing the major characters and they all actually considered Dany to be the most mentally healthy and strong character out of the cast, using the DSM-5 (standard) method she would fill no criteria for a diagnosis based on of what have been written or showed in the show.
They are a bit dated but for what it's worth were written while the show was mostly based on the books.
One article had the psychologist use positive-psychology to analyse her character and found Justice and Courage to be her top strengths. Which would explain how she's able to overcome all the stressors she's exposed to in her early years (courage) and her obsession with helping the innocent (justice). Another article mentioned she had an extreme level of self-perfectionism, which would explain why she always strive to make the perfect world as she starts to project it outwards (her supposed "megalomania" is actually her just trying to make a perfect world free of suffering in the most efficient way). She did show signs of actute stress disorder while she lived with her physical/sexual abusive brother and her relationship with Drogo was basically him raping her over and over. Her lack of feelings when her brother is executed was a "normal" response to finally have her tormentor suffer.
From what I could gather from their articles and in respect to classical litterature she was in a way the classical hero. Always striving for justice, is courageous to an extreme level and will do anything to protect the weak. Her rage in the climax should if anything have been directed towards the inner circle that betrayed her and the enemy soldiers and them only. She would have went to great lengths to save the innocent civilians.
I dont mind when writers for the sake of the story drop bombs. But the bomb of Dany going cray-cray was so out of character and unrealistic it made less sense than the sudden and complete lack of stratetic understanding during the final fight against the Whitewalkers.
Then those psychologists are fake. I don't see how anyone that goes around and orders murder of thousands can be mentally healthy. And having no emotions when your brother is brutally murdered in front of you is not healthy. He was not her abuser. At worst he hit her a few times when she was younger (something that happens to many many young children all over the world from their parents as it still is considered normal in most of the world to punish children with physical punishment) but at same time he kept her alive and fed and protected her. Anyone that tells me that it is OK to have your family murdered because they hit you once and then went a bit crazy while drunk needs to have their head checked out. There are many ways to solve that situation without needing to kill him (like banishment).
They were from major websites. One of the articles was a peer-reviewed article and psychologist is a protected title so I'm partial to them being legit, the one that tried to use positive-psychology to analyse her since by DSM-5 she was perfectly healthy was the peer-reviewed iirc. They were written during the earlier seasons (I believe 4) and I would assume the books as well? If they had been written during the later/new seasons it would probably have been an entirely different story.
The world of GoT is more similar to the medievil times than our modern so ordering the death of your enemies during war despite their surrender (historically it have happend many times in Europe) I wouldn't necessarily call a sign of a mental disorder. Just like how Ned execute a terrified kid, tradition and norm.
If we really had to throw a diagnosis at Dany my armchair Ph.D layman psychology guess would be borderline personality disorder. Would fit her behaviour, mannerism and childhood trauma is considered a contributing factor. I thought it was some very interesting articles, especially in hindsight, since basically everyone else had some sort of disorder according to professionals. Some where quite surprising Cersei was the only character they would consider having an anti-social personality disorder (sociopath), Joffrey and Ramsay "only" had a sadistic personality disorder and Tyrion were suffering with depression.
For what it's worth getting a mental diagonsis is not an exact science and is largely based on how many symptons they can check off based on lengthy sessions.
She set living people on fire. If a psychologist looks at a person who sets living people on fire and concludes 'mentally healthy' then they are frauds. It isnt hard to see that.
On May 27 2019 00:15 FFGenerations wrote: no1 was thinking 'will dany burn down KL' when the bells were ringing. that's the whole fkin problem
read my previous post if you wanna see my alternate version of s8 its VERY well written
??? when the bells were ringing my immediate reaction was "oohhh shiiit shes about to kill everyone". I went into the episode thinking she was going to kill everyone. Im disappointed as fuck in how they actually did it, but thats a separate question.
On May 28 2019 05:46 Jek wrote: The discussion about Dany's mental health is quite interesting. I've read multiple articles written by psychologists diagnosing the major characters and they all actually considered Dany to be the most mentally healthy and strong character out of the cast, using the DSM-5 (standard) method she would fill no criteria for a diagnosis based on of what have been written or showed in the show.
They are a bit dated but for what it's worth were written while the show was mostly based on the books.
One article had the psychologist use positive-psychology to analyse her character and found Justice and Courage to be her top strengths. Which would explain how she's able to overcome all the stressors she's exposed to in her early years (courage) and her obsession with helping the innocent (justice). Another article mentioned she had an extreme level of self-perfectionism, which would explain why she always strive to make the perfect world as she starts to project it outwards (her supposed "megalomania" is actually her just trying to make a perfect world free of suffering in the most efficient way). She did show signs of actute stress disorder while she lived with her physical/sexual abusive brother and her relationship with Drogo was basically him raping her over and over. Her lack of feelings when her brother is executed was a "normal" response to finally have her tormentor suffer.
From what I could gather from their articles and in respect to classical litterature she was in a way the classical hero. Always striving for justice, is courageous to an extreme level and will do anything to protect the weak. Her rage in the climax should if anything have been directed towards the inner circle that betrayed her and the enemy soldiers and them only. She would have went to great lengths to save the innocent civilians.
I dont mind when writers for the sake of the story drop bombs. But the bomb of Dany going cray-cray was so out of character and unrealistic it made less sense than the sudden and complete lack of stratetic understanding during the final fight against the Whitewalkers.
Then those psychologists are fake. I don't see how anyone that goes around and orders murder of thousands can be mentally healthy. And having no emotions when your brother is brutally murdered in front of you is not healthy. He was not her abuser. At worst he hit her a few times when she was younger (something that happens to many many young children all over the world from their parents as it still is considered normal in most of the world to punish children with physical punishment) but at same time he kept her alive and fed and protected her. Anyone that tells me that it is OK to have your family murdered because they hit you once and then went a bit crazy while drunk needs to have their head checked out. There are many ways to solve that situation without needing to kill him (like banishment).
They were from major websites. One of the articles was a peer-reviewed article and psychologist is a protected title so I'm partial to them being legit, the one that tried to use positive-psychology to analyse her since by DSM-5 she was perfectly healthy was the peer-reviewed iirc. They were written during the earlier seasons (I believe 4) and I would assume the books as well? If they had been written during the later/new seasons it would probably have been an entirely different story.
The world of GoT is more similar to the medievil times than our modern so ordering the death of your enemies during war despite their surrender (historically it have happend many times in Europe) I wouldn't necessarily call a sign of a mental disorder. Just like how Ned execute a terrified kid, tradition and norm.
If we really had to throw a diagnosis at Dany my armchair Ph.D layman psychology guess would be borderline personality disorder. Would fit her behaviour, mannerism and childhood trauma is considered a contributing factor. I thought it was some very interesting articles, especially in hindsight, since basically everyone else had some sort of disorder according to professionals. Some where quite surprising Cersei was the only character they would consider having an anti-social personality disorder (sociopath), Joffrey and Ramsay "only" had a sadistic personality disorder and Tyrion were suffering with depression.
For what it's worth getting a mental diagonsis is not an exact science and is largely based on how many symptons they can check off based on lengthy sessions.
She set living people on fire. If a psychologist looks at a person who sets living people on fire and concludes 'mentally healthy' then they are frauds. It isnt hard to see that.
Psychologically healthy and being a good person aren’t the same thing, they can be aligned or not, or one can be psychologically unhealthy but still a good person.
Societal norms change, the Roman public lapped up the arena, it wasn’t the preserve of some niche of psychopaths. Even in more relatively recent times families went out with picnics to watch executions, and not just regular hangings the real brutally OTT ones.
Dan Carlin’s Hardcore History did a good podcast on it, I’d recommend it in general anyway, the specific episode is 61 ‘Painfotainment’ if it’s not paywalled. It’s a great podcast that gives you plenty of detail on things you might not have considered, and the sources he uses if you want to deep dive on something.
On May 27 2019 00:15 FFGenerations wrote: no1 was thinking 'will dany burn down KL' when the bells were ringing. that's the whole fkin problem
read my previous post if you wanna see my alternate version of s8 its VERY well written
??? when the bells were ringing my immediate reaction was "oohhh shiiit shes about to kill everyone". I went into the episode thinking she was going to kill everyone. Im disappointed as fuck in how they actually did it, but thats a separate question.
On May 28 2019 22:30 Jek wrote:
On May 28 2019 17:53 -Archangel- wrote:
On May 28 2019 05:46 Jek wrote: The discussion about Dany's mental health is quite interesting. I've read multiple articles written by psychologists diagnosing the major characters and they all actually considered Dany to be the most mentally healthy and strong character out of the cast, using the DSM-5 (standard) method she would fill no criteria for a diagnosis based on of what have been written or showed in the show.
They are a bit dated but for what it's worth were written while the show was mostly based on the books.
One article had the psychologist use positive-psychology to analyse her character and found Justice and Courage to be her top strengths. Which would explain how she's able to overcome all the stressors she's exposed to in her early years (courage) and her obsession with helping the innocent (justice). Another article mentioned she had an extreme level of self-perfectionism, which would explain why she always strive to make the perfect world as she starts to project it outwards (her supposed "megalomania" is actually her just trying to make a perfect world free of suffering in the most efficient way). She did show signs of actute stress disorder while she lived with her physical/sexual abusive brother and her relationship with Drogo was basically him raping her over and over. Her lack of feelings when her brother is executed was a "normal" response to finally have her tormentor suffer.
From what I could gather from their articles and in respect to classical litterature she was in a way the classical hero. Always striving for justice, is courageous to an extreme level and will do anything to protect the weak. Her rage in the climax should if anything have been directed towards the inner circle that betrayed her and the enemy soldiers and them only. She would have went to great lengths to save the innocent civilians.
I dont mind when writers for the sake of the story drop bombs. But the bomb of Dany going cray-cray was so out of character and unrealistic it made less sense than the sudden and complete lack of stratetic understanding during the final fight against the Whitewalkers.
Then those psychologists are fake. I don't see how anyone that goes around and orders murder of thousands can be mentally healthy. And having no emotions when your brother is brutally murdered in front of you is not healthy. He was not her abuser. At worst he hit her a few times when she was younger (something that happens to many many young children all over the world from their parents as it still is considered normal in most of the world to punish children with physical punishment) but at same time he kept her alive and fed and protected her. Anyone that tells me that it is OK to have your family murdered because they hit you once and then went a bit crazy while drunk needs to have their head checked out. There are many ways to solve that situation without needing to kill him (like banishment).
They were from major websites. One of the articles was a peer-reviewed article and psychologist is a protected title so I'm partial to them being legit, the one that tried to use positive-psychology to analyse her since by DSM-5 she was perfectly healthy was the peer-reviewed iirc. They were written during the earlier seasons (I believe 4) and I would assume the books as well? If they had been written during the later/new seasons it would probably have been an entirely different story.
The world of GoT is more similar to the medievil times than our modern so ordering the death of your enemies during war despite their surrender (historically it have happend many times in Europe) I wouldn't necessarily call a sign of a mental disorder. Just like how Ned execute a terrified kid, tradition and norm.
If we really had to throw a diagnosis at Dany my armchair Ph.D layman psychology guess would be borderline personality disorder. Would fit her behaviour, mannerism and childhood trauma is considered a contributing factor. I thought it was some very interesting articles, especially in hindsight, since basically everyone else had some sort of disorder according to professionals. Some where quite surprising Cersei was the only character they would consider having an anti-social personality disorder (sociopath), Joffrey and Ramsay "only" had a sadistic personality disorder and Tyrion were suffering with depression.
For what it's worth getting a mental diagonsis is not an exact science and is largely based on how many symptons they can check off based on lengthy sessions.
She set living people on fire. If a psychologist looks at a person who sets living people on fire and concludes 'mentally healthy' then they are frauds. It isnt hard to see that.
Psychologically healthy and being a good person aren’t the same thing, they can be aligned or not, or one can be psychologically unhealthy but still a good person.
Sure. In principle. But there was nothing about danny scorching people living-- or any plausible example in reality that i can think of--- that should make you second guess the obvious instability and cruelty inherent to the act. A person willing to burn another living is not someone who is, shall we say, tethered to societal norms. A lack of real compassion/real relationships/restraint, coupled with megalomaniacal delusions about ones worthiness and 'proper'ness of ruling over millions of people?
I'm sorry. No one can look at that and think 'yep psychologically normal'. Its literally a 20 year old loner [no real friends or family throughout the entire series...] running around setting people on fire trying to rule a continent autocratically because of destiny.
Societal norms change, the Roman public lapped up the arena, it wasn’t the preserve of some niche of psychopaths. Even in more relatively recent times families went out with picnics to watch executions, and not just regular hangings the real brutally OTT ones.
Thats the thing...there is no societal norm telling danny that burning people alive is a good idea, she came up with that idea based upon the war crimes of her own family. Its not some cultural norm she was raised in. Outside of that, cultural norm or not, there is a cost to these kinds of actions. You can think its normal to believe your better than others and ought to rule over them, to think it proper to isolate yourself and burn people alive for infractions, to not have friends or love....but....if you do that, regardless of whether your wider society backed up some or all of these decisions, you would be one unhappy, unstable mother fucker. And danny was.
*alright no friends or family is a bit of a stretch, she had a couple relationships that were heavily fucked up, distorted, ended badly, and were fraught with tension [khal drogo raping her], fear [jons parentage] or betrayal [jon telling everyone about his parentage], or were just a bit pervy in general [her brother, jorah, the latter plays better in the books because of a wider age discrepancy but still.]
On May 27 2019 00:15 FFGenerations wrote: no1 was thinking 'will dany burn down KL' when the bells were ringing. that's the whole fkin problem
read my previous post if you wanna see my alternate version of s8 its VERY well written
??? when the bells were ringing my immediate reaction was "oohhh shiiit shes about to kill everyone". I went into the episode thinking she was going to kill everyone. Im disappointed as fuck in how they actually did it, but thats a separate question.
On May 28 2019 22:30 Jek wrote:
On May 28 2019 17:53 -Archangel- wrote:
On May 28 2019 05:46 Jek wrote: The discussion about Dany's mental health is quite interesting. I've read multiple articles written by psychologists diagnosing the major characters and they all actually considered Dany to be the most mentally healthy and strong character out of the cast, using the DSM-5 (standard) method she would fill no criteria for a diagnosis based on of what have been written or showed in the show.
They are a bit dated but for what it's worth were written while the show was mostly based on the books.
One article had the psychologist use positive-psychology to analyse her character and found Justice and Courage to be her top strengths. Which would explain how she's able to overcome all the stressors she's exposed to in her early years (courage) and her obsession with helping the innocent (justice). Another article mentioned she had an extreme level of self-perfectionism, which would explain why she always strive to make the perfect world as she starts to project it outwards (her supposed "megalomania" is actually her just trying to make a perfect world free of suffering in the most efficient way). She did show signs of actute stress disorder while she lived with her physical/sexual abusive brother and her relationship with Drogo was basically him raping her over and over. Her lack of feelings when her brother is executed was a "normal" response to finally have her tormentor suffer.
From what I could gather from their articles and in respect to classical litterature she was in a way the classical hero. Always striving for justice, is courageous to an extreme level and will do anything to protect the weak. Her rage in the climax should if anything have been directed towards the inner circle that betrayed her and the enemy soldiers and them only. She would have went to great lengths to save the innocent civilians.
I dont mind when writers for the sake of the story drop bombs. But the bomb of Dany going cray-cray was so out of character and unrealistic it made less sense than the sudden and complete lack of stratetic understanding during the final fight against the Whitewalkers.
Then those psychologists are fake. I don't see how anyone that goes around and orders murder of thousands can be mentally healthy. And having no emotions when your brother is brutally murdered in front of you is not healthy. He was not her abuser. At worst he hit her a few times when she was younger (something that happens to many many young children all over the world from their parents as it still is considered normal in most of the world to punish children with physical punishment) but at same time he kept her alive and fed and protected her. Anyone that tells me that it is OK to have your family murdered because they hit you once and then went a bit crazy while drunk needs to have their head checked out. There are many ways to solve that situation without needing to kill him (like banishment).
They were from major websites. One of the articles was a peer-reviewed article and psychologist is a protected title so I'm partial to them being legit, the one that tried to use positive-psychology to analyse her since by DSM-5 she was perfectly healthy was the peer-reviewed iirc. They were written during the earlier seasons (I believe 4) and I would assume the books as well? If they had been written during the later/new seasons it would probably have been an entirely different story.
The world of GoT is more similar to the medievil times than our modern so ordering the death of your enemies during war despite their surrender (historically it have happend many times in Europe) I wouldn't necessarily call a sign of a mental disorder. Just like how Ned execute a terrified kid, tradition and norm.
If we really had to throw a diagnosis at Dany my armchair Ph.D layman psychology guess would be borderline personality disorder. Would fit her behaviour, mannerism and childhood trauma is considered a contributing factor. I thought it was some very interesting articles, especially in hindsight, since basically everyone else had some sort of disorder according to professionals. Some where quite surprising Cersei was the only character they would consider having an anti-social personality disorder (sociopath), Joffrey and Ramsay "only" had a sadistic personality disorder and Tyrion were suffering with depression.
For what it's worth getting a mental diagonsis is not an exact science and is largely based on how many symptons they can check off based on lengthy sessions.
She set living people on fire. If a psychologist looks at a person who sets living people on fire and concludes 'mentally healthy' then they are frauds. It isnt hard to see that.
Psychologically healthy and being a good person aren’t the same thing, they can be aligned or not, or one can be psychologically unhealthy but still a good person.
Sure. In principle. But there was nothing about danny scorching people living-- or any plausible example in reality that i can think of--- that should make you second guess the obvious instability and cruelty inherent to the act. A person willing to burn another living is not someone who is, shall we say, tethered to societal norms. A lack of real compassion/real relationships/restraint, coupled with megalomaniacal delusions about ones worthiness and 'proper'ness of ruling over millions of people?
I'm sorry. No one can look at that and think 'yep psychologically normal'. Its literally a 20 year old loner [no real friends or family throughout the entire series...] running around setting people on fire trying to rule a continent autocratically because of destiny.
Societal norms change, the Roman public lapped up the arena, it wasn’t the preserve of some niche of psychopaths. Even in more relatively recent times families went out with picnics to watch executions, and not just regular hangings the real brutally OTT ones.
Thats the thing...there is no societal norm telling danny that burning people alive is a good idea, she came up with that idea based upon the war crimes of her own family. Its not some cultural norm she was raised in. Outside of that, cultural norm or not, there is a cost to these kinds of actions. You can think its normal to believe your better than others and ought to rule over them, to think it proper to isolate yourself and burn people alive for infractions, to not have friends or love....but....if you do that, regardless of whether your wider society backed up some or all of these decisions, you would be one unhappy, unstable mother fucker. And danny was.
*alright no friends or family is a bit of a stretch, she had a couple relationships that were heavily fucked up, distorted, ended badly, and were fraught with tension [khal drogo raping her], fear [jons parentage] or betrayal [jon telling everyone about his parentage], or were just a bit pervy in general [her brother, jorah, the latter plays better in the books because of a wider age discrepancy but still.]
What about someone willing to behead someone with their own sword?
Ilyn Payne was never made out to be a particularly nice person, but I don't think anybody ever thought he was mad. He was just the king's executioner. And Ned Stark did the job himself. Is burning someone that much worse than beheading them?
On May 27 2019 00:15 FFGenerations wrote: no1 was thinking 'will dany burn down KL' when the bells were ringing. that's the whole fkin problem
read my previous post if you wanna see my alternate version of s8 its VERY well written
??? when the bells were ringing my immediate reaction was "oohhh shiiit shes about to kill everyone". I went into the episode thinking she was going to kill everyone. Im disappointed as fuck in how they actually did it, but thats a separate question.
On May 28 2019 05:46 Jek wrote: The discussion about Dany's mental health is quite interesting. I've read multiple articles written by psychologists diagnosing the major characters and they all actually considered Dany to be the most mentally healthy and strong character out of the cast, using the DSM-5 (standard) method she would fill no criteria for a diagnosis based on of what have been written or showed in the show.
They are a bit dated but for what it's worth were written while the show was mostly based on the books.
One article had the psychologist use positive-psychology to analyse her character and found Justice and Courage to be her top strengths. Which would explain how she's able to overcome all the stressors she's exposed to in her early years (courage) and her obsession with helping the innocent (justice). Another article mentioned she had an extreme level of self-perfectionism, which would explain why she always strive to make the perfect world as she starts to project it outwards (her supposed "megalomania" is actually her just trying to make a perfect world free of suffering in the most efficient way). She did show signs of actute stress disorder while she lived with her physical/sexual abusive brother and her relationship with Drogo was basically him raping her over and over. Her lack of feelings when her brother is executed was a "normal" response to finally have her tormentor suffer.
From what I could gather from their articles and in respect to classical litterature she was in a way the classical hero. Always striving for justice, is courageous to an extreme level and will do anything to protect the weak. Her rage in the climax should if anything have been directed towards the inner circle that betrayed her and the enemy soldiers and them only. She would have went to great lengths to save the innocent civilians.
I dont mind when writers for the sake of the story drop bombs. But the bomb of Dany going cray-cray was so out of character and unrealistic it made less sense than the sudden and complete lack of stratetic understanding during the final fight against the Whitewalkers.
Then those psychologists are fake. I don't see how anyone that goes around and orders murder of thousands can be mentally healthy. And having no emotions when your brother is brutally murdered in front of you is not healthy. He was not her abuser. At worst he hit her a few times when she was younger (something that happens to many many young children all over the world from their parents as it still is considered normal in most of the world to punish children with physical punishment) but at same time he kept her alive and fed and protected her. Anyone that tells me that it is OK to have your family murdered because they hit you once and then went a bit crazy while drunk needs to have their head checked out. There are many ways to solve that situation without needing to kill him (like banishment).
They were from major websites. One of the articles was a peer-reviewed article and psychologist is a protected title so I'm partial to them being legit, the one that tried to use positive-psychology to analyse her since by DSM-5 she was perfectly healthy was the peer-reviewed iirc. They were written during the earlier seasons (I believe 4) and I would assume the books as well? If they had been written during the later/new seasons it would probably have been an entirely different story.
The world of GoT is more similar to the medievil times than our modern so ordering the death of your enemies during war despite their surrender (historically it have happend many times in Europe) I wouldn't necessarily call a sign of a mental disorder. Just like how Ned execute a terrified kid, tradition and norm.
If we really had to throw a diagnosis at Dany my armchair Ph.D layman psychology guess would be borderline personality disorder. Would fit her behaviour, mannerism and childhood trauma is considered a contributing factor. I thought it was some very interesting articles, especially in hindsight, since basically everyone else had some sort of disorder according to professionals. Some where quite surprising Cersei was the only character they would consider having an anti-social personality disorder (sociopath), Joffrey and Ramsay "only" had a sadistic personality disorder and Tyrion were suffering with depression.
For what it's worth getting a mental diagonsis is not an exact science and is largely based on how many symptons they can check off based on lengthy sessions.
She set living people on fire. If a psychologist looks at a person who sets living people on fire and concludes 'mentally healthy' then they are frauds. It isnt hard to see that.
The only person she burned in the early part of the show when the articles were written was the woman who killed her child and turned her husband into a vegetable and a man that ordered someone to kill her. Seeking revenge on the one that destroyed your family and protecting yourself seem like a fairly reasonable action to me.
It's not like the ones she burn later before KL is totally without fault. The Tarly openly defy and question her right to rule in front of her army and Varys was guilty of high treason. The punishment for high treason in Europe and other parts of the ancient times was a million times worse than being instantly incinerated.
Psychological studies are culturally dependent to an extent, aren't they? In a culture where murder is the norm, a person's psychology would be judged on those standards.
If the alien kings and queens of mental health came down to Earth they would probably calssify all of us as psychopaths and severely mentally ill idiots. It doesn't mean we should judge each other like that.
On May 30 2019 23:15 Jockmcplop wrote: Psychological studies are culturally dependent to an extent, aren't they? In a culture where murder is the norm, a person's psychology would be judged on those standards.
If the alien kings and queens of mental health came down to Earth they would probably calssify all of us as psychopaths and severely mentally ill idiots. It doesn't mean we should judge each other like that.
On May 27 2019 00:15 FFGenerations wrote: no1 was thinking 'will dany burn down KL' when the bells were ringing. that's the whole fkin problem
read my previous post if you wanna see my alternate version of s8 its VERY well written
??? when the bells were ringing my immediate reaction was "oohhh shiiit shes about to kill everyone". I went into the episode thinking she was going to kill everyone. Im disappointed as fuck in how they actually did it, but thats a separate question.
On May 28 2019 22:30 Jek wrote:
On May 28 2019 17:53 -Archangel- wrote:
On May 28 2019 05:46 Jek wrote: The discussion about Dany's mental health is quite interesting. I've read multiple articles written by psychologists diagnosing the major characters and they all actually considered Dany to be the most mentally healthy and strong character out of the cast, using the DSM-5 (standard) method she would fill no criteria for a diagnosis based on of what have been written or showed in the show.
They are a bit dated but for what it's worth were written while the show was mostly based on the books.
One article had the psychologist use positive-psychology to analyse her character and found Justice and Courage to be her top strengths. Which would explain how she's able to overcome all the stressors she's exposed to in her early years (courage) and her obsession with helping the innocent (justice). Another article mentioned she had an extreme level of self-perfectionism, which would explain why she always strive to make the perfect world as she starts to project it outwards (her supposed "megalomania" is actually her just trying to make a perfect world free of suffering in the most efficient way). She did show signs of actute stress disorder while she lived with her physical/sexual abusive brother and her relationship with Drogo was basically him raping her over and over. Her lack of feelings when her brother is executed was a "normal" response to finally have her tormentor suffer.
From what I could gather from their articles and in respect to classical litterature she was in a way the classical hero. Always striving for justice, is courageous to an extreme level and will do anything to protect the weak. Her rage in the climax should if anything have been directed towards the inner circle that betrayed her and the enemy soldiers and them only. She would have went to great lengths to save the innocent civilians.
I dont mind when writers for the sake of the story drop bombs. But the bomb of Dany going cray-cray was so out of character and unrealistic it made less sense than the sudden and complete lack of stratetic understanding during the final fight against the Whitewalkers.
Then those psychologists are fake. I don't see how anyone that goes around and orders murder of thousands can be mentally healthy. And having no emotions when your brother is brutally murdered in front of you is not healthy. He was not her abuser. At worst he hit her a few times when she was younger (something that happens to many many young children all over the world from their parents as it still is considered normal in most of the world to punish children with physical punishment) but at same time he kept her alive and fed and protected her. Anyone that tells me that it is OK to have your family murdered because they hit you once and then went a bit crazy while drunk needs to have their head checked out. There are many ways to solve that situation without needing to kill him (like banishment).
They were from major websites. One of the articles was a peer-reviewed article and psychologist is a protected title so I'm partial to them being legit, the one that tried to use positive-psychology to analyse her since by DSM-5 she was perfectly healthy was the peer-reviewed iirc. They were written during the earlier seasons (I believe 4) and I would assume the books as well? If they had been written during the later/new seasons it would probably have been an entirely different story.
The world of GoT is more similar to the medievil times than our modern so ordering the death of your enemies during war despite their surrender (historically it have happend many times in Europe) I wouldn't necessarily call a sign of a mental disorder. Just like how Ned execute a terrified kid, tradition and norm.
If we really had to throw a diagnosis at Dany my armchair Ph.D layman psychology guess would be borderline personality disorder. Would fit her behaviour, mannerism and childhood trauma is considered a contributing factor. I thought it was some very interesting articles, especially in hindsight, since basically everyone else had some sort of disorder according to professionals. Some where quite surprising Cersei was the only character they would consider having an anti-social personality disorder (sociopath), Joffrey and Ramsay "only" had a sadistic personality disorder and Tyrion were suffering with depression.
For what it's worth getting a mental diagonsis is not an exact science and is largely based on how many symptons they can check off based on lengthy sessions.
She set living people on fire. If a psychologist looks at a person who sets living people on fire and concludes 'mentally healthy' then they are frauds. It isnt hard to see that.
Psychologically healthy and being a good person aren’t the same thing, they can be aligned or not, or one can be psychologically unhealthy but still a good person.
Sure. In principle. But there was nothing about danny scorching people living-- or any plausible example in reality that i can think of--- that should make you second guess the obvious instability and cruelty inherent to the act. A person willing to burn another living is not someone who is, shall we say, tethered to societal norms. A lack of real compassion/real relationships/restraint, coupled with megalomaniacal delusions about ones worthiness and 'proper'ness of ruling over millions of people?
I'm sorry. No one can look at that and think 'yep psychologically normal'. Its literally a 20 year old loner [no real friends or family throughout the entire series...] running around setting people on fire trying to rule a continent autocratically because of destiny.
Societal norms change, the Roman public lapped up the arena, it wasn’t the preserve of some niche of psychopaths. Even in more relatively recent times families went out with picnics to watch executions, and not just regular hangings the real brutally OTT ones.
Thats the thing...there is no societal norm telling danny that burning people alive is a good idea, she came up with that idea based upon the war crimes of her own family. Its not some cultural norm she was raised in. Outside of that, cultural norm or not, there is a cost to these kinds of actions. You can think its normal to believe your better than others and ought to rule over them, to think it proper to isolate yourself and burn people alive for infractions, to not have friends or love....but....if you do that, regardless of whether your wider society backed up some or all of these decisions, you would be one unhappy, unstable mother fucker. And danny was.
*alright no friends or family is a bit of a stretch, she had a couple relationships that were heavily fucked up, distorted, ended badly, and were fraught with tension [khal drogo raping her], fear [jons parentage] or betrayal [jon telling everyone about his parentage], or were just a bit pervy in general [her brother, jorah, the latter plays better in the books because of a wider age discrepancy but still.]
What about someone willing to behead someone with their own sword?
Ilyn Payne was never made out to be a particularly nice person, but I don't think anybody ever thought he was mad. He was just the king's executioner. And Ned Stark did the job himself. Is burning someone that much worse than beheading them?
Yes definitely worse... unless it's dragon fire hot enough to almost instantly melt steel and then it's a little less clear. The show portrays Tarly deaths as happening in maybe 2-3 seconds which is well within the debatable amount of time you remain conscious if you are beheaded. Though those may be a considerably more painful 2-3 seconds.
On May 27 2019 00:15 FFGenerations wrote: no1 was thinking 'will dany burn down KL' when the bells were ringing. that's the whole fkin problem
read my previous post if you wanna see my alternate version of s8 its VERY well written
??? when the bells were ringing my immediate reaction was "oohhh shiiit shes about to kill everyone". I went into the episode thinking she was going to kill everyone. Im disappointed as fuck in how they actually did it, but thats a separate question.
On May 28 2019 22:30 Jek wrote:
On May 28 2019 17:53 -Archangel- wrote:
On May 28 2019 05:46 Jek wrote: The discussion about Dany's mental health is quite interesting. I've read multiple articles written by psychologists diagnosing the major characters and they all actually considered Dany to be the most mentally healthy and strong character out of the cast, using the DSM-5 (standard) method she would fill no criteria for a diagnosis based on of what have been written or showed in the show.
They are a bit dated but for what it's worth were written while the show was mostly based on the books.
One article had the psychologist use positive-psychology to analyse her character and found Justice and Courage to be her top strengths. Which would explain how she's able to overcome all the stressors she's exposed to in her early years (courage) and her obsession with helping the innocent (justice). Another article mentioned she had an extreme level of self-perfectionism, which would explain why she always strive to make the perfect world as she starts to project it outwards (her supposed "megalomania" is actually her just trying to make a perfect world free of suffering in the most efficient way). She did show signs of actute stress disorder while she lived with her physical/sexual abusive brother and her relationship with Drogo was basically him raping her over and over. Her lack of feelings when her brother is executed was a "normal" response to finally have her tormentor suffer.
From what I could gather from their articles and in respect to classical litterature she was in a way the classical hero. Always striving for justice, is courageous to an extreme level and will do anything to protect the weak. Her rage in the climax should if anything have been directed towards the inner circle that betrayed her and the enemy soldiers and them only. She would have went to great lengths to save the innocent civilians.
I dont mind when writers for the sake of the story drop bombs. But the bomb of Dany going cray-cray was so out of character and unrealistic it made less sense than the sudden and complete lack of stratetic understanding during the final fight against the Whitewalkers.
Then those psychologists are fake. I don't see how anyone that goes around and orders murder of thousands can be mentally healthy. And having no emotions when your brother is brutally murdered in front of you is not healthy. He was not her abuser. At worst he hit her a few times when she was younger (something that happens to many many young children all over the world from their parents as it still is considered normal in most of the world to punish children with physical punishment) but at same time he kept her alive and fed and protected her. Anyone that tells me that it is OK to have your family murdered because they hit you once and then went a bit crazy while drunk needs to have their head checked out. There are many ways to solve that situation without needing to kill him (like banishment).
They were from major websites. One of the articles was a peer-reviewed article and psychologist is a protected title so I'm partial to them being legit, the one that tried to use positive-psychology to analyse her since by DSM-5 she was perfectly healthy was the peer-reviewed iirc. They were written during the earlier seasons (I believe 4) and I would assume the books as well? If they had been written during the later/new seasons it would probably have been an entirely different story.
The world of GoT is more similar to the medievil times than our modern so ordering the death of your enemies during war despite their surrender (historically it have happend many times in Europe) I wouldn't necessarily call a sign of a mental disorder. Just like how Ned execute a terrified kid, tradition and norm.
If we really had to throw a diagnosis at Dany my armchair Ph.D layman psychology guess would be borderline personality disorder. Would fit her behaviour, mannerism and childhood trauma is considered a contributing factor. I thought it was some very interesting articles, especially in hindsight, since basically everyone else had some sort of disorder according to professionals. Some where quite surprising Cersei was the only character they would consider having an anti-social personality disorder (sociopath), Joffrey and Ramsay "only" had a sadistic personality disorder and Tyrion were suffering with depression.
For what it's worth getting a mental diagonsis is not an exact science and is largely based on how many symptons they can check off based on lengthy sessions.
She set living people on fire. If a psychologist looks at a person who sets living people on fire and concludes 'mentally healthy' then they are frauds. It isnt hard to see that.
Psychologically healthy and being a good person aren’t the same thing, they can be aligned or not, or one can be psychologically unhealthy but still a good person.
Sure. In principle. But there was nothing about danny scorching people living-- or any plausible example in reality that i can think of--- that should make you second guess the obvious instability and cruelty inherent to the act. A person willing to burn another living is not someone who is, shall we say, tethered to societal norms. A lack of real compassion/real relationships/restraint, coupled with megalomaniacal delusions about ones worthiness and 'proper'ness of ruling over millions of people?
I'm sorry. No one can look at that and think 'yep psychologically normal'. Its literally a 20 year old loner [no real friends or family throughout the entire series...] running around setting people on fire trying to rule a continent autocratically because of destiny.
Societal norms change, the Roman public lapped up the arena, it wasn’t the preserve of some niche of psychopaths. Even in more relatively recent times families went out with picnics to watch executions, and not just regular hangings the real brutally OTT ones.
Thats the thing...there is no societal norm telling danny that burning people alive is a good idea, she came up with that idea based upon the war crimes of her own family. Its not some cultural norm she was raised in. Outside of that, cultural norm or not, there is a cost to these kinds of actions. You can think its normal to believe your better than others and ought to rule over them, to think it proper to isolate yourself and burn people alive for infractions, to not have friends or love....but....if you do that, regardless of whether your wider society backed up some or all of these decisions, you would be one unhappy, unstable mother fucker. And danny was.
*alright no friends or family is a bit of a stretch, she had a couple relationships that were heavily fucked up, distorted, ended badly, and were fraught with tension [khal drogo raping her], fear [jons parentage] or betrayal [jon telling everyone about his parentage], or were just a bit pervy in general [her brother, jorah, the latter plays better in the books because of a wider age discrepancy but still.]
What about someone willing to behead someone with their own sword?
Ilyn Payne was never made out to be a particularly nice person, but I don't think anybody ever thought he was mad. He was just the king's executioner. And Ned Stark did the job himself. Is burning someone that much worse than beheading them?
Yes definitely worse... unless it's dragon fire hot enough to almost instantly melt steel and then it's a little less clear. The show portrays Tarly deaths as happening in maybe 2-3 seconds which is well within the debatable amount of time you remain conscious if you are beheaded. Though those may be a considerably more painful 2-3 seconds.
Yeah, dragonfire is a bit inconsistent. I'd say the way Vyserys died was definitely torture. But that wasn't directly Daenerys's doing (although I do believe she would have had the power to stop it). But those who died by Drakkaris are a bit hard to judge. On the one hand, Varys stood there burning for quite a while. On the other hand, we have dragonfire coming out with enough force to blow up city walls and hot enough to melt steel.
On May 27 2019 00:15 FFGenerations wrote: no1 was thinking 'will dany burn down KL' when the bells were ringing. that's the whole fkin problem
read my previous post if you wanna see my alternate version of s8 its VERY well written
??? when the bells were ringing my immediate reaction was "oohhh shiiit shes about to kill everyone". I went into the episode thinking she was going to kill everyone. Im disappointed as fuck in how they actually did it, but thats a separate question.
On May 28 2019 22:30 Jek wrote:
On May 28 2019 17:53 -Archangel- wrote:
On May 28 2019 05:46 Jek wrote: The discussion about Dany's mental health is quite interesting. I've read multiple articles written by psychologists diagnosing the major characters and they all actually considered Dany to be the most mentally healthy and strong character out of the cast, using the DSM-5 (standard) method she would fill no criteria for a diagnosis based on of what have been written or showed in the show.
They are a bit dated but for what it's worth were written while the show was mostly based on the books.
One article had the psychologist use positive-psychology to analyse her character and found Justice and Courage to be her top strengths. Which would explain how she's able to overcome all the stressors she's exposed to in her early years (courage) and her obsession with helping the innocent (justice). Another article mentioned she had an extreme level of self-perfectionism, which would explain why she always strive to make the perfect world as she starts to project it outwards (her supposed "megalomania" is actually her just trying to make a perfect world free of suffering in the most efficient way). She did show signs of actute stress disorder while she lived with her physical/sexual abusive brother and her relationship with Drogo was basically him raping her over and over. Her lack of feelings when her brother is executed was a "normal" response to finally have her tormentor suffer.
From what I could gather from their articles and in respect to classical litterature she was in a way the classical hero. Always striving for justice, is courageous to an extreme level and will do anything to protect the weak. Her rage in the climax should if anything have been directed towards the inner circle that betrayed her and the enemy soldiers and them only. She would have went to great lengths to save the innocent civilians.
I dont mind when writers for the sake of the story drop bombs. But the bomb of Dany going cray-cray was so out of character and unrealistic it made less sense than the sudden and complete lack of stratetic understanding during the final fight against the Whitewalkers.
Then those psychologists are fake. I don't see how anyone that goes around and orders murder of thousands can be mentally healthy. And having no emotions when your brother is brutally murdered in front of you is not healthy. He was not her abuser. At worst he hit her a few times when she was younger (something that happens to many many young children all over the world from their parents as it still is considered normal in most of the world to punish children with physical punishment) but at same time he kept her alive and fed and protected her. Anyone that tells me that it is OK to have your family murdered because they hit you once and then went a bit crazy while drunk needs to have their head checked out. There are many ways to solve that situation without needing to kill him (like banishment).
They were from major websites. One of the articles was a peer-reviewed article and psychologist is a protected title so I'm partial to them being legit, the one that tried to use positive-psychology to analyse her since by DSM-5 she was perfectly healthy was the peer-reviewed iirc. They were written during the earlier seasons (I believe 4) and I would assume the books as well? If they had been written during the later/new seasons it would probably have been an entirely different story.
The world of GoT is more similar to the medievil times than our modern so ordering the death of your enemies during war despite their surrender (historically it have happend many times in Europe) I wouldn't necessarily call a sign of a mental disorder. Just like how Ned execute a terrified kid, tradition and norm.
If we really had to throw a diagnosis at Dany my armchair Ph.D layman psychology guess would be borderline personality disorder. Would fit her behaviour, mannerism and childhood trauma is considered a contributing factor. I thought it was some very interesting articles, especially in hindsight, since basically everyone else had some sort of disorder according to professionals. Some where quite surprising Cersei was the only character they would consider having an anti-social personality disorder (sociopath), Joffrey and Ramsay "only" had a sadistic personality disorder and Tyrion were suffering with depression.
For what it's worth getting a mental diagonsis is not an exact science and is largely based on how many symptons they can check off based on lengthy sessions.
She set living people on fire. If a psychologist looks at a person who sets living people on fire and concludes 'mentally healthy' then they are frauds. It isnt hard to see that.
Psychologically healthy and being a good person aren’t the same thing, they can be aligned or not, or one can be psychologically unhealthy but still a good person.
Sure. In principle. But there was nothing about danny scorching people living-- or any plausible example in reality that i can think of--- that should make you second guess the obvious instability and cruelty inherent to the act. A person willing to burn another living is not someone who is, shall we say, tethered to societal norms. A lack of real compassion/real relationships/restraint, coupled with megalomaniacal delusions about ones worthiness and 'proper'ness of ruling over millions of people?
I'm sorry. No one can look at that and think 'yep psychologically normal'. Its literally a 20 year old loner [no real friends or family throughout the entire series...] running around setting people on fire trying to rule a continent autocratically because of destiny.
Societal norms change, the Roman public lapped up the arena, it wasn’t the preserve of some niche of psychopaths. Even in more relatively recent times families went out with picnics to watch executions, and not just regular hangings the real brutally OTT ones.
Thats the thing...there is no societal norm telling danny that burning people alive is a good idea, she came up with that idea based upon the war crimes of her own family. Its not some cultural norm she was raised in. Outside of that, cultural norm or not, there is a cost to these kinds of actions. You can think its normal to believe your better than others and ought to rule over them, to think it proper to isolate yourself and burn people alive for infractions, to not have friends or love....but....if you do that, regardless of whether your wider society backed up some or all of these decisions, you would be one unhappy, unstable mother fucker. And danny was.
*alright no friends or family is a bit of a stretch, she had a couple relationships that were heavily fucked up, distorted, ended badly, and were fraught with tension [khal drogo raping her], fear [jons parentage] or betrayal [jon telling everyone about his parentage], or were just a bit pervy in general [her brother, jorah, the latter plays better in the books because of a wider age discrepancy but still.]
What about someone willing to behead someone with their own sword?
Ilyn Payne was never made out to be a particularly nice person, but I don't think anybody ever thought he was mad. He was just the king's executioner. And Ned Stark did the job himself. Is burning someone that much worse than beheading them?
Yes definitely worse... unless it's dragon fire hot enough to almost instantly melt steel and then it's a little less clear. The show portrays Tarly deaths as happening in maybe 2-3 seconds which is well within the debatable amount of time you remain conscious if you are beheaded. Though those may be a considerably more painful 2-3 seconds.
Yeah, dragonfire is a bit inconsistent. I'd say the way Vyserys died was definitely torture. But that wasn't directly Daenerys's doing (although I do believe she would have had the power to stop it). But those who died by Drakkaris are a bit hard to judge. On the one hand, Varys stood there burning for quite a while. On the other hand, we have dragonfire coming out with enough force to blow up city walls and hot enough to melt steel.
It's unclear how instant the death is for Varys, sure the body burns for awhile but he doesn't scream or anything so it's unclear if he's even alive for more than an instant.
My girlfriend has started watching GoT over the last few months and today was the big day. The Rains of Castamere. So, i am next to her and start to be very emotional as the doors close and the tone slowly shifts and she is just like. Oh, that's the wedding where everyone is brutlly murdered, i've been spoiled about that. Fuuuuuuuuuck! She also had basically no emotional impact at all after it was over, going guickly to next episode and not being shaken at all. I think she must be a sociopath. Damn, i liked that one....
On May 31 2019 05:52 Broetchenholer wrote: My girlfriend has started watching GoT over the last few months and today was the big day. The Rains of Castamere. So, i am next to her and start to be very emotional as the doors close and the tone slowly shifts and she is just like. Oh, that's the wedding where everyone is brutlly murdered, i've been spoiled about that. Fuuuuuuuuuck! She also had basically no emotional impact at all after it was over, going guickly to next episode and not being shaken at all. I think she must be a sociopath. Damn, i liked that one....
Haha hey least you have one, I’d take a sociopath at this point :p
On June 09 2019 00:27 sharkie wrote: Some game was announced which is written by george r r martin. Man he really has no idea how to finish aSoIaF xD
We don't even know how involved he is (or rather was, if they show the game already). You also seem to imply that each time he works on something else that suggest that he has no idea how to end asoiaf? It's clear that he didn't produce a work yet he is happy with, otherwise the book would be out by now, other than that it's all baseless speculation.
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