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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-20 02:49:15
May 20 2019 02:49 GMT
#36081
why was bronn made lord of the reach again? god what a joke this season was. my only solace will be the implosion of d@d's careers. their exposure as complete frauds is now complete.
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32750 Posts
May 20 2019 02:50 GMT
#36082
On May 20 2019 11:49 Dazed. wrote:
why was bronn made lord of the reach again? god what a joke this season was. my only solace will be the implosion of d@d's careers. their exposure as complete frauds is now complete.

He was also made Master of Coin I think? The self-serving mercenary who probably can't read or write, let alone understand the economics of kingdoms, is now the head of their treasury department. Who knows, maybe he got a maester's link in commerce from Oldtown.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25658 Posts
May 20 2019 02:53 GMT
#36083
I think there was some minor set up for Arya to sail west like 2? seasons ago. When she was wounded by that faceless assassin chick she had a conversation with the actress that patched her up and she mentioned wanting to find out what was West of Westeros.

It was establishd that Bronn can read in season 2 when Tyrion and him were planning the defense of Kings Landing.
He has perfect qualfications for being master of coin, he can read!!
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
May 20 2019 02:55 GMT
#36084
On May 20 2019 11:47 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2019 11:40 Adreme wrote:
On May 20 2019 11:38 KwarK wrote:
On May 20 2019 11:35 Adreme wrote:
On May 20 2019 11:26 KwarK wrote:
Why is it that they're friends with Bronn again?


When were they not friends with Bronn? He wanted to get paid after being cheated out of his deal time after time after time after time.

After all remember when he was going to get a castle but Jaime took it away and promised him a better one if he went to Dorne with him....but wait even though you got poisoned and fought well and did everything required you do not get a castl yet. Now you need to come north with me to take back the lands the Frey's lost. THEN still not castle he has to then help Jaime take the Reach AND fight against the Dothraki and a dragon AND save Jaime after he stupidly charges Dany on said dragon. Will he get paid now? Nope. Now he has to go help win this war AND kill his 2 former employers/friends.

So ya he just finally wanted what was promised to him so it makes sense that there were no hard feelings between them.

He said he was going to kill them. He fired a crossbow at them.


I mean not at them. More in their general direction to get the point across that he is tired of being cheated by them.

They seemed to think he was willing to kill them because they didn't just get some wine and catch up on old times together. None of it makes any sense.


I mean his wanting to be paid for services rendered made sense to me so it probably made sense to Tyrion. Once he was paid what he was owed they got back to normal.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
May 20 2019 02:55 GMT
#36085
On May 20 2019 11:53 KadaverBB wrote:
I think there was some minor set up for Arya to sail west like 2? seasons ago. When she was wounded by that faceless assassin chick she had a conversation with the actress that patched her up and she mentioned wanting to find out what was West of Westeros.

It was establishd that Bronn can read in season 2 when Tyrion and him were planning the defense of Kings Landing.
He has perfect qualfications for being master of coin, he can read!!


"Its always been a grubby job, better to give it to a grubby man."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44177 Posts
May 20 2019 02:57 GMT
#36086
Bronn is unashamedly a completely mercenary individual seeking only to enrich himself. Better put him in charge of all the money.
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FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
May 20 2019 02:57 GMT
#36087
Well, at least he's at it

"I am back home again now, and back once more in Westeros, working on WINDS… which, let me add once more, has NOT been finished and hidden away for years."

http://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2019/05/19/more-stuff-more-nonsense/
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
May 20 2019 03:01 GMT
#36088
On May 20 2019 11:57 KwarK wrote:
Bronn is unashamedly a completely mercenary individual seeking only to enrich himself. Better put him in charge of all the money.


I mean so was Littlefinger and he was a damn good master of coin (his job was to find the money and he found the money).
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44177 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-20 03:05:08
May 20 2019 03:02 GMT
#36089
On May 20 2019 12:01 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2019 11:57 KwarK wrote:
Bronn is unashamedly a completely mercenary individual seeking only to enrich himself. Better put him in charge of all the money.


I mean so was Littlefinger and he was a damn good master of coin (his job was to find the money and he found the money).

Littlefinger? He just kept borrowing more and more money from the Iron Bank and didn't tell anyone about it. He was a shit Master of Coin, he let Robert spend the entire kingdom into bankruptcy because he couldn't say no. Sure, everytime Robert asked Littlefinger to find money to host a tournament Littlefinger came up with it, but the kingdom was utterly bankrupt and owed a shitton of money to the Lannisters, the Tyrells, and the Iron Bank. Hell, that was part of his plan to ruin the kingdom. Part of his "chaos is a ladder" thing was to cause chaos by deliberately sucking as Master of Coin.
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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 20 2019 03:04 GMT
#36090
On May 20 2019 09:01 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:
I'm trying to think if this situation has happened before - where the source material is not finished and they rely only on major plot points and fill in the blanks themselves. The only example I can think of is Harry Potter. Were all those books finished when they started making the movies?


I think this has happened several times with anime/manga. The one I can think off the top of my head is Fullmetal Alchemist, where Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood was released in 2009 after the manga finished and is much closer to the manga while the original FMA anime was released in....2003 (?) and diverged from the manga halfway and had a different ending.

I mentioned this earlier in the thread but if there were an anime reboot of ASOIAF after GRRM finishes the books (if that ever happens) I'd probably watch it.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
May 20 2019 03:09 GMT
#36091
On May 20 2019 12:02 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2019 12:01 Adreme wrote:
On May 20 2019 11:57 KwarK wrote:
Bronn is unashamedly a completely mercenary individual seeking only to enrich himself. Better put him in charge of all the money.


I mean so was Littlefinger and he was a damn good master of coin (his job was to find the money and he found the money).

Littlefinger? He just kept borrowing more and more money from the Iron Bank and didn't tell anyone about it. He was a shit Master of Coin, he let Robert spend the entire kingdom into bankruptcy because he couldn't say no. Sure, everytime Robert asked Littlefinger to find money to host a tournament Littlefinger came up with it, but the kingdom was utterly bankrupt and owed a shitton of money to the Lannisters, the Tyrells, and the Iron Bank. Hell, that was part of his plan to ruin the kingdom. Part of his "chaos is a ladder" thing was to cause chaos by deliberately sucking as Master of Coin.


I mean he was not exactly hiding it. Robert just did not care. Robert needed money and he clearly seemed to know who he owed me money to (he even tries to get Ned to stop fighting the Lannisters because he is "half a blood kingdom in debt" so he probably knew where the other half was but did not care). Tywin seemed to know the entire time as well. So he was not keeping it a secret from the important people. He just did his job. "The master of coin finds the money. The king and the hand.. spend it."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44177 Posts
May 20 2019 03:11 GMT
#36092
On May 20 2019 12:09 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2019 12:02 KwarK wrote:
On May 20 2019 12:01 Adreme wrote:
On May 20 2019 11:57 KwarK wrote:
Bronn is unashamedly a completely mercenary individual seeking only to enrich himself. Better put him in charge of all the money.


I mean so was Littlefinger and he was a damn good master of coin (his job was to find the money and he found the money).

Littlefinger? He just kept borrowing more and more money from the Iron Bank and didn't tell anyone about it. He was a shit Master of Coin, he let Robert spend the entire kingdom into bankruptcy because he couldn't say no. Sure, everytime Robert asked Littlefinger to find money to host a tournament Littlefinger came up with it, but the kingdom was utterly bankrupt and owed a shitton of money to the Lannisters, the Tyrells, and the Iron Bank. Hell, that was part of his plan to ruin the kingdom. Part of his "chaos is a ladder" thing was to cause chaos by deliberately sucking as Master of Coin.


I mean he was not exactly hiding it. Robert just did not care. Robert needed money and he clearly seemed to know who he owed me money to (he even tries to get Ned to stop fighting the Lannisters because he is "half a blood kingdom in debt" so he probably knew where the other half was but did not care). Tywin seemed to know the entire time as well. So he was not keeping it a secret from the important people. He just did his job. "The master of coin finds the money. The king and the hand.. spend it."

But would you call that "a damn good master of coin"? He was awful at generating revenues for the crown and was working to deliberately sabotage the crown.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
May 20 2019 03:11 GMT
#36093
On May 20 2019 11:38 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2019 11:33 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On May 20 2019 11:29 Adreme wrote:
The ending is not going to change. It was George who said that even if people know the true ending of something you cannot change it just because they figured it out or you undo all the clues you left behind.

As for the ending the only thing I am confused about is why there is a Night's Watch. There is literally nothing for them to fight. I assume at this point WIldlings are free to come and go as they please and the Whites are all dead so that pretty much leaves nothing to really fear in the North. They clearly are not that picky on the oath or Sam would not be allowed all those titles and wife and children so a part of me wonders if this whole Nights Watch thing was kinda a wink wink nudge nudge sorta thing where everyone but the Unsullied realized he is free to do whatever he wants so long as he goes north and keeps his head down.

I guess the Night's Watch is some hard labour prison camp now, and Jon's honor binds him to the Wall. Still feels too much like an attempt to bookend things because it would be "poetic".


I get why Jon cant be king. It makes sense that after murdering the Queen a war would break out over that (and we are kinda at the series finale so no time for that), but he clearly seems to just be getting to travel north and live with the Wildlings which makes me think the whole "join the Nights Watfch" thing was nonsense as they have no purpose to exist as Jon notes AS ITS BEING TOLD TO HIM.

My logic is simply if they still existed Sam would not be a lord so they must not and the Unsullied just got played.


Jon got his good ending. He doesn't want to be king and he gets to hang out with his bros for the rest of his life.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
May 20 2019 03:15 GMT
#36094
The episode wasn't terrible (not as bad as episodes 3-5) but it wasn't great either.

I just kind of feel empty and hollow inside about the show. It wrapped everything up as best it could, so that was nice, but my expectations were so low that I couldn't really be satisfied with it.

Dany's death scene was well-done (aside from the actual writing and internal consistency in it, which was poor). Aside from that, there are a whole lot of "WTF"s concerning Bran being the king, Bron being the master of coin, Arya sailing west, and Jon going to the wall. There were also way too many blatant self-references in the episode and the LotR references were painful (the book that Sam brought in was just too fucking much).
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44177 Posts
May 20 2019 03:17 GMT
#36095
Tyrion killed Tywin and caused the rift between the lost and forgotten kingdom of Dorne and the Crown. How could he not be in the book.
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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-20 03:18:35
May 20 2019 03:17 GMT
#36096
On May 20 2019 12:02 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2019 12:01 Adreme wrote:
On May 20 2019 11:57 KwarK wrote:
Bronn is unashamedly a completely mercenary individual seeking only to enrich himself. Better put him in charge of all the money.


I mean so was Littlefinger and he was a damn good master of coin (his job was to find the money and he found the money).

Littlefinger? He just kept borrowing more and more money from the Iron Bank and didn't tell anyone about it. He was a shit Master of Coin, he let Robert spend the entire kingdom into bankruptcy because he couldn't say no. Sure, everytime Robert asked Littlefinger to find money to host a tournament Littlefinger came up with it, but the kingdom was utterly bankrupt and owed a shitton of money to the Lannisters, the Tyrells, and the Iron Bank. Hell, that was part of his plan to ruin the kingdom. Part of his "chaos is a ladder" thing was to cause chaos by deliberately sucking as Master of Coin.
Yeah but your looking a his qualities from the civil society standpoint. From a standpoint of just individual competence, littlefinger couldnt have defrauded everyone without being very intelligent and more than qualified for the job. Bronn is...a guy who thinks threatening powerful lords leads to castles.
On May 20 2019 12:17 KwarK wrote:
Tyrion killed Tywin and caused the rift between the lost and forgotten kingdom of Dorne and the Crown. How could he not be in the book.
Hes also an "imp" who served a foreign queen that killed tens of thousands lol

awful writing.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17783 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-20 03:20:24
May 20 2019 03:20 GMT
#36097
On May 20 2019 11:49 Dazed. wrote:
why was bronn made lord of the reach again?


That's what Tyrion promised him for not killing him and Jamie at Winterfell. Wasn't it?
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44177 Posts
May 20 2019 03:20 GMT
#36098
"People liked LotR, right? What did the hobbits do when they couldn't go back to their old lives after all that war?"

"They sailed into the West"

"Right, let's do that"
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44177 Posts
May 20 2019 03:23 GMT
#36099
Like they fucking sent Arya off to Valinor without ever having established that this was all taking place in Middle Earth.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32750 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-20 03:30:23
May 20 2019 03:25 GMT
#36100
For a show that built itself off politicking between kingdoms and capturing the whole "What was Aragorn's tax policy" element, the North seceded from the Seven Kingdoms real quick without any negotiations or blowback. Does it mean every other kingdom will break off?

Also I can't help but feel that Dany being whisked off and Bran smirking when saying he would search for Drogon was some kind of sequel bait. Who knows, maybe Drogon went off to Valyria's smoking ruins and executes some blood magic that resurrects her.

I'm amusing myself by watching Alt+Shift+X's livestream analysis of the episode and there's so many plot chains that went nowhere.
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