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On June 09 2015 04:22 SK.Testie wrote:
People who are squeemish about shit in GoT must really dislike human history and reality in many places in the world. Both are reprehensible, but anyone who's read the past knows that far worse has happened and is happening today than what has been shown in the shows.
but no one is trying to pass off a history lesson as entertainment
edit: poor word choice.
I guess I don't think a show like Game of Thrones needs
to have the 'if it bleeds it leads' mentality that
hackjob nightly news stations glorify.
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On June 09 2015 04:32 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 04:22 SK.Testie wrote:
People who are squeemish about shit in GoT must really dislike human history and reality in many places in the world. Both are reprehensible, but anyone who's read the past knows that far worse has happened and is happening today than what has been shown in the shows. but no one is trying to pass off a history lesson as entertainment edit: poor word choice
whaa? that happens all the time. as in we get movies and shows based on past horrendous acts with view points and perspectives used accordingly not to promote such behavior.
on a more important note, just as there are who likes to point out whats in the show and what in the real world, there's also people, i'd say the majority, are ignorant of history and reality and would gladly accept ignorant bliss rather than thinking about it. so i think its completely fine for people to be squeamish about whats going on in the show and not being able to make connections what we humans have done and do. its just way of people are i guess.
its like when my boss makes a comment about some fire being reported on the news, and i'm thinking "as if there are no fires even when they're not on the news". most people dont think deeply about things i think and those who do think deeply about somethings should also realize its normal for people to not think so deeply 
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I am now siding with the white walkers. The fuck stannis? You killed the most innocent and nice person in the series(who is also your only living heir)
I hoped "the queen" would die in the arena but fucking sons of harpies don't know what a bow or a throwing weapon is.
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On June 09 2015 04:32 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 04:22 SK.Testie wrote:
People who are squeemish about shit in GoT must really dislike human history and reality in many places in the world. Both are reprehensible, but anyone who's read the past knows that far worse has happened and is happening today than what has been shown in the shows. but no one is trying to pass off a history lesson as entertainment edit: poor word choice. I guess I don't think a show like Game of Thrones needs to have the 'if it bleeds it leads' mentality that hackjob nightly news stations glorify.
And I don't think a show like GoT needs fun for the whole family restrictions. There are plenty of shows and movies that cater to general audiences. While I do think the nudity and to a lesser degree the violence can be gratuitous, they fit in well with the source material and do have artistic merit.
Seeing a bad guy do bad things can be entertaining, simply because we want to see him eventually face justice. But seeing Stannis the Mannis carry out a horrible act adds depth. Why would he do such a thing, and why were we rooting for someone capable of such an act? How does Stannis justify what he did and do we agree?
The books and show are well written. If you think difficult scenes are there just to shock the audience for a quick ratings bump you are missing out.
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On June 09 2015 03:14 Hier wrote:
The Shireen scene was just poorly executed, I think.
First off, the mother's reaction doesn't make sense. She borderline hated that Shireen survived a deadly disease while her 3 sons died very early (remember the jars?); she kept blaming herself for not providing an heir. Further, she is a religious fanatic entirely devoted to the god of light and would do anything to help serve Melisandre.
Conversely, Shireen is the closest thing Stannis came to truly loving. There was an opportunity to highlight that fact by having Stannis, normally a very stoic and reserved character, go into his tent after the burning and break down emotionally for the first time in 5 seasons, before quickly composing himself. That would also further accentuate how big a sacrifice he has willingly made for the cause he believes in.
Instead we just got a bad guy painted in black and white. Maybe I just don't get it.
You just don't get it.
Stannis steeled himself for the decision. It was his daughter versus the lives of everyone else. His ambition caught up with him, and he had to sacrifice what was closest to him in order to proceed. Unfortunately, he believes in the red woman 100% now, that his destiny is to sit on the iron throne. We haven't seen how he will react with the aftermath of the decision, but I imagine he's going to break down or just become empty.
The mother was just pissed at her daughter. As soon as she called out to her, her motherly instinct took over. Motherly instinct > her devotion.
This season has been underwhelming upon reflection though. I mean, what has really happened?
- Arya went to Bravos. Joined the 1000 face god thing. Washed some dead bodies.
- Cersei gave religious fanatics power. Got herself, the queen and her brother jailed.
- King did nothing.
- Littlefinger travelled a bunch. Talked to a few people, but those conversations weren't much beyond agreeing to do things on a later date.
- Ramsay was unbastardized.
- Sansa travelled to winterfell and married Ramsay.
- Tyrion travelled to where ever Dany currently is. Hasn't actually advised her on anything yet.
- Varys travelled a bit with Tyrion then disappeared.
- Dany married the guy, reopened fighting pit, continued to play simcity.
- Stannis left the wall, travelled a bit, burned his daughter.
- Brienne found Sansa, travelled to Winterfell.
- Jamie and Bronn travelled to snakeland. Got back his daughter.
- Jon is lord of night watch. Helped the free folk.
Nothing really happened this season with the exception of Jon's storyline. Either we're going to have an incredibly epic finale involving winterfell and the trials in kings landing, or this has just been one long set up for next season.
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Well this episode sealed the deal for me. Dorne king for president. Seriously, Dorna already was the closest we had to a "good" house but by GoT standarts this guy is a Saint.
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On June 09 2015 05:10 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 04:32 brian wrote:On June 09 2015 04:22 SK.Testie wrote:
People who are squeemish about shit in GoT must really dislike human history and reality in many places in the world. Both are reprehensible, but anyone who's read the past knows that far worse has happened and is happening today than what has been shown in the shows. but no one is trying to pass off a history lesson as entertainment edit: poor word choice. I guess I don't think a show like Game of Thrones needs to have the 'if it bleeds it leads' mentality that hackjob nightly news stations glorify. And I don't think a show like GoT needs fun for the whole family restrictions. There are plenty of shows and movies that cater to general audiences. While I do think the nudity and to a lesser degree the violence can be gratuitous, they fit in well with the source material and do have artistic merit. Seeing a bad guy do bad things can be entertaining, simply because we want to see him eventually face justice. But seeing Stannis the Mannis carry out a horrible act adds depth. Why would he do such a thing, and why were we rooting for someone capable of such an act? How does Stannis justify what he did and do we agree? The books and show are well written. If you think difficult scenes are there just to shock the audience for a quick ratings bump you are missing out.
I'm by no means advocating for making the material PG. that doesn't mean that I really need to see meryn scoping out some pre pubescent pussy. there's a lot to be said for not treating your audience like brainless morons. the implication was there on the third 'younger,' not that I'd admit that the scene was ever necessary in the first place. we already hated him.
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On June 08 2015 20:55 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I fail to understand how those harpie sons are so damn strong. If they were the masters, so basically some kind of Mereen bourgeoisie, how come they are so well trained, and how can they fight so well with those heavy, inconvenient carnival masks half blocking their vision? And Jesus, can't Dany gets some more soldiers to protect her when there is a full scale insurrection trying to get her assassinated at all time?
Oh and by the way. If they all can get masks and spears into that damn arena (no control?) how come none of us brought a god damn crossbow? Danny was exposed the whole time. It's not that hard really. Just shoot her in the face with that projectile weapon, GG Targaryans kthx. I think the spears all came from defeated unsullied, and that they only came in with daggers or shortswords or something.
I don't know why they're so strong either; they do tend to die a lot though so not necessarily that strong. The oddest thing to me though is how fearless they seem to be. They constantly put themselves in risky and/or suicidal scenarios and seem happy to do so. Doesn't seem like the way any regular person would behave, especially slave masters or rich people.
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The whole fighting pit scene was so silly though. Suddenly like 1/3 of the people watching pull their big ass mask from their arse along with a dagger and just overpower the few unsullied that Dany bothered to bring along. No one seems to care that again some of the scenes were really poorly done and the acting at times questionable. The show has had imo really good and steady quality but they have really dropped the ball on the latter half of this season. Stannis burning his kid was shocking enough that no one noticed i guess.
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On June 09 2015 05:30 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 05:10 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 09 2015 04:32 brian wrote:On June 09 2015 04:22 SK.Testie wrote:
People who are squeemish about shit in GoT must really dislike human history and reality in many places in the world. Both are reprehensible, but anyone who's read the past knows that far worse has happened and is happening today than what has been shown in the shows. but no one is trying to pass off a history lesson as entertainment edit: poor word choice. I guess I don't think a show like Game of Thrones needs to have the 'if it bleeds it leads' mentality that hackjob nightly news stations glorify. And I don't think a show like GoT needs fun for the whole family restrictions. There are plenty of shows and movies that cater to general audiences. While I do think the nudity and to a lesser degree the violence can be gratuitous, they fit in well with the source material and do have artistic merit. Seeing a bad guy do bad things can be entertaining, simply because we want to see him eventually face justice. But seeing Stannis the Mannis carry out a horrible act adds depth. Why would he do such a thing, and why were we rooting for someone capable of such an act? How does Stannis justify what he did and do we agree? The books and show are well written. If you think difficult scenes are there just to shock the audience for a quick ratings bump you are missing out. I'm by no means advocating for making the material PG. that doesn't mean that I really need to see meryn scoping out some pre pubescent pussy. there's a lot to be said for not treating your audience like brainless morons. the implication was there on the third 'younger,' not that I'd admit that the scene was ever necessary in the first place. we already hated him.
There was more to that scene than just 'Meryn is a perv' though. Arya was reminded why she hates the Lannisters, which could pull her away from the Faceless Men. Also, she could use Meryn's weakness for little girls as a means to get close to him and kill him, or someone he's protecting.
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I am quite impressed by Littlefinger this season.
He is Lord of the Vale, he got basically rid of House Tyrell, House Lannister, has Stannis and the Boltons fight to death and has had a royal decree asking him to demolish the victor to become warden of the North. Should his plans succeed he would own the North and the Vale, having basically neutralized the two most powerful southern houses...
Amazing plot.
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The question is was Meryn recognizing her or just checking her out?
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On June 09 2015 06:15 GreenHorizons wrote:
The question is was Meryn recognizing her or just checking her out?
"why's this god damn clam chick following me everywhere"
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On June 09 2015 06:25 Jer99 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 06:15 GreenHorizons wrote:
The question is was Meryn recognizing her or just checking her out? "why's this god damn clam chick following me everywhere"
he's just a stupid fuck so I doubt it.
I think they were setting it up so Arya can kill him in ep 10. the ''you'll have a fresh one tomorrow right?'' thing pretty much gave it away imo. He's on the list after all
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On June 09 2015 06:29 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 06:25 Jer99 wrote:On June 09 2015 06:15 GreenHorizons wrote:
The question is was Meryn recognizing her or just checking her out? "why's this god damn clam chick following me everywhere" he's just a stupid fuck so I doubt it. I think they were setting it up so Arya can kill him in ep 10. the ''you'll have a fresh one tomorrow right?'' thing pretty much gave it away imo. He's on the list after all
She's got another job to do with the thin man. She already got away with lying once about it. Fool me once...
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On June 09 2015 06:32 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 06:29 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On June 09 2015 06:25 Jer99 wrote:On June 09 2015 06:15 GreenHorizons wrote:
The question is was Meryn recognizing her or just checking her out? "why's this god damn clam chick following me everywhere" he's just a stupid fuck so I doubt it. I think they were setting it up so Arya can kill him in ep 10. the ''you'll have a fresh one tomorrow right?'' thing pretty much gave it away imo. He's on the list after all She's got another job to do with the thin man. She already got away with lying once about it. Fool me once...
i think it was intentional from Jaqen, he knew he would be there for Arya to kill
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i liked the fighting with jorah in the pit, in 2 minutes they showed every fighting style we witnessed in 5 seasons, it was a nice touch =)
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On June 09 2015 05:30 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 05:10 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 09 2015 04:32 brian wrote:On June 09 2015 04:22 SK.Testie wrote:
People who are squeemish about shit in GoT must really dislike human history and reality in many places in the world. Both are reprehensible, but anyone who's read the past knows that far worse has happened and is happening today than what has been shown in the shows. but no one is trying to pass off a history lesson as entertainment edit: poor word choice. I guess I don't think a show like Game of Thrones needs to have the 'if it bleeds it leads' mentality that hackjob nightly news stations glorify. And I don't think a show like GoT needs fun for the whole family restrictions. There are plenty of shows and movies that cater to general audiences. While I do think the nudity and to a lesser degree the violence can be gratuitous, they fit in well with the source material and do have artistic merit. Seeing a bad guy do bad things can be entertaining, simply because we want to see him eventually face justice. But seeing Stannis the Mannis carry out a horrible act adds depth. Why would he do such a thing, and why were we rooting for someone capable of such an act? How does Stannis justify what he did and do we agree? The books and show are well written. If you think difficult scenes are there just to shock the audience for a quick ratings bump you are missing out. I'm by no means advocating for making the material PG. that doesn't mean that I really need to see meryn scoping out some pre pubescent pussy. there's a lot to be said for not treating your audience like brainless morons. the implication was there on the third 'younger,' not that I'd admit that the scene was ever necessary in the first place. we already hated him.
I'd say it's more compelling if she steps forward after he says "younger" 2-3 times and then kills him in that ep, which would make the scene far more necessary. I don't think it really needs to be saved for Ep10, even though it is the climax of her arc this season, there's been more climactic moments in ep9's before; ep10 is more often the calm after something major, though I can see they're doing it differently this season. Also, of course, Meryn's death in ep9 leaves less time for Dany and Stannis "Burn Your Heir Like You Just Don't Care" Baratheon.
I'm fine with violence, as long as I can see that it serves a purpose. I can't think of any major examples where violence has been exceedingly brutal for no purpose - even Khal Drogo's tongue-ripping out move had the purpose of showing how badly he takes an insult to his wife. I'd like to hear examples where the violence was too bad proportional to the point being made, though, I'm sure there's stuff I'm forgetting
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Also, did stannis just effectively ended the whole baratheon line ?
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