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IMR
Profile Joined May 2013
70 Posts
June 08 2015 11:49 GMT
#27861
Hrm. If Stannis is, just, like, gone.
Then.
Jon Snow has le boats.
Boats useful.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7918 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-08 12:02:17
June 08 2015 11:55 GMT
#27862
Well, if Stannis burned his daughter, he is going to succeed something at least to some extent in the next episodes. That only makes sense on a story writing perspective. To my mind the logical thing is that he is going to lose the loyalty of Davos and that his wife will turn even more insane, and that his ultimate downfall will come from that decision. Classical story of a man selling his soul: gets a reward first and then pays a really dear price. He didn't have the choice, that's fine, but he still did it, and that's plain atrocious.

He also becomes a total and utter villain; there were very little to like in the character, now there is nothing at all. He is a heartless cunt, and he has proven to be totally weak. In many ways, he is the absolute anti - Jon Snow. He puts himself and his ambition above everything else, is totally rigid in a bad way, but at the same time without any moral boundaries, and that's why he is such a shit leader.

About Mereen... Now I guess the logical thing would be for everyone remaining in the arena to die, but of course it won't happen. They got the husband conveniently killed, though.

I fail to understand how those harpie sons are so damn strong. If they were the masters, so basically some kind of Mereen bourgeoisie, how come they are so well trained, and how can they fight so well with those heavy, inconvenient carnival masks half blocking their vision? And Jesus, can't Dany gets some more soldiers to protect her when there is a full scale insurrection trying to get her assassinated at all time?

Oh and by the way. If they all can get masks and spears into that damn arena (no control?) how come none of us brought a god damn crossbow? Danny was exposed the whole time. It's not that hard really. Just shoot her in the face with that projectile weapon, GG Targaryans kthx.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
IMR
Profile Joined May 2013
70 Posts
June 08 2015 12:11 GMT
#27863
I forgive her blindness on this matter, in her world shit's really, like, theoretical. You would have thought Grey Worm almost dying and Selmy getting whacked would have her taking security matters more seriously but, like, she had guys eaten by dragons in front of the motherfuckers who set the shit up. I think she's also forgetting that she's a grill first to these Mareen fuckers and not some Dragon Queen of a marauding unwashed horde, hell, maybe that's even worse to them. Like, motherfuckers got no respect.

Like, she showed fairness by having whoever executed publicly.
She reinstates the games.
Doesn't declare martial law.
Oh, and abolished slavery in the city.
Marrying this fucker.
Dragon public safety concerns. Deals with it.

Dead homey was right. Shoulda just killed all those master fucks. Those assholes will just never learn. They just want her dead, the unsullied dead, so they can train and breed dragons. Two motherfucking dragons, right there, begging to be acquired. Like, wow. How do you forget that shit?
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
June 08 2015 12:33 GMT
#27864
I'm disappointed that they didn't show Ramsay's commando operation. Fires just suddenly start in a dozen different tents at the same time, but noone is to be seen. And their explanation is "There were perhaps 20 men, but our guards didn't see them because they know the land better than we do"? Your guards suck, Stannis. And so do you. You even had to send Davos away because you couldn't face him when burning your only child alive.

Stadium security leaves something to be desired as well. The Unsullied guards apparently didn't notice 200 men strolling into the colosseum with weapons and those huge masks hidden under their dresses. Also, a rapier is not a slashing weapon, a spear is not a javelin, and rolling into a spearman is suicide. The only thing I liked during the whole colosseum scene is that the dragon is not invincible (yet?) and can be pierced by spears. Speaking of being impaled: Daenerys held on to the dragon's spikes to climb on his back, then sat down on them. Ouch!

Come on, Game of Thrones, you can do better than that. The writing has always been so good and inconsistencies like these didn't use to happen.
IMR
Profile Joined May 2013
70 Posts
June 08 2015 13:01 GMT
#27865
OK, we saw masters getting killed alongside the, uh, civilians I guess we can call them. What if those masked killers are, instead of being emergent, like, hired by some folks who figured it would be a good idea to find and hire every (brown skinned) assassin in Westeros specifically to take down Dany? Like, that would cost alot. We still don't know who's behind this shit. Iron Bank with a partner?

If it were the masters they should have been scared straight by Dany's little dragon demonstration. Like, who's going to run the coup if they're dead, right? The idea is to be alive at the end of a successful coup. They'd do something else.

The ex-slaves, they don't like, hate Dany nuff to collude with their former slavers do they? Ofc not. Freedom is nice. Sure, they'll hiss and throw fruit but, kill her and wipe out her material to go back to slaving? Like, where's the leadership coming from? Who's organizing things in the aftermath? If they were so organized why not just kill the masters and present terms to Dany from a position of strength?

Is there a major player that we haven't been (properly?) introduced to yet?
Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
June 08 2015 13:04 GMT
#27866
Davos is going to kill Stannis.
I HAVE 5 TOAST POINTS
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21961 Posts
June 08 2015 13:07 GMT
#27867
It is entirely possible that Dany's (former) husband was their leader. The Harpies wouldn't be the first movement who's leader made peace only for this 2nd in command to say "f*** that" and continue the fight.

It cant be just the masters tho, the Harpies how as having large numbers repeatedly and I dont think there were enough masters in Mereen for this. Especially since they probably arn't as willing to lay down their lives for their fellows.
I would guess a large part of the Harpies are in fact slaves. Yes siding against Dany doesn't make logical sense but these people have not known a different life for generations.
The oppressed rebelling against those trying to free them happens even in our own world to this day.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
IMR
Profile Joined May 2013
70 Posts
June 08 2015 13:11 GMT
#27868
It's like Dany was maneuvered into sitting under that tent in an open space with assassins surrounding her.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21961 Posts
June 08 2015 13:17 GMT
#27869
On June 08 2015 22:11 IMR wrote:
It's like Dany was maneuvered into sitting under that tent in an open space with assassins surrounding her.

I don't know if maneuvered is the right word. Its entirely possible the place Dany sat was normal. After all, the previous rulers didn't have to fear an armed uprising.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
IMR
Profile Joined May 2013
70 Posts
June 08 2015 13:20 GMT
#27870
Dany's objective was to bring legit authority/ruling power to Mereen. OK. So what does the opposition do?

-whittles down her immediately accessible materiel (unsullied)
-stops? doing that for, like, no reason upon the dragon demo and/or Dany garrisons them. We aren't told.
-if no patrols in order to conserve materiel, iunno, it depends

and then

-major bloodletting (gratuitous) and hardcore assassination attempt immediately upon presentation of first opportunity

what doesn't happen:

-Dany declaring martial law
-previous assassination attempts (Mereen)
-allies of note presenting themselves. surely folks in power know about the girl who walked into fire and came out with thwee dwagons, yes?

Like, she has to be the biggest target in the world of Westeros, yes? And, like, stuff has been pretty smooth for her. And then this happens. The game has changed. It's almost as if people lurking in the shadows were waiting for her to fail, saw that she wouldn't, and then stepped in to make sure that she did. No power base to build from; in fact, tear down everything that she did in order to create a negative association. No pulse. Dragons ours. GG NO RE.

But then a dragon falls out of the sky.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-08 13:26:47
June 08 2015 13:26 GMT
#27871
just burn that stupid desert city, mongol style


oh and free the poor dragons, maybe free them first, they probably burn the city for you then, less work.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21961 Posts
June 08 2015 13:31 GMT
#27872
The stop in activity is imo because of her marriage to their leader (assuming he was), What we saw in the stadium was someone else within the Harpies assuming control because he wasn't happy Dany still lives.

And yes Dany is a big target but we keep being reminded of how the world has bigger issues. The 7 kingdoms dont give a crap about Dany since they are in a bitter civil war. Bravos seems to care for no one but itself, Dothraki dont care for anyone but themselves, and the cities around slavers bay belong to Dany atleast in name. We have been told her hold on them is fragile at best and the Harpies probably receive support from them but there is no 'other threat' working against Dany that we have been told or alluded to.
Someone before mentioned the Iron Bank but what reason do they have of going after Dany? Their main concern atm is getting the Crown/Lannisters to pay them and if anything Dany is their best chance after Stannis.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21961 Posts
June 08 2015 13:32 GMT
#27873
On June 08 2015 22:26 LaNague wrote:
just burn that stupid desert city, mongol style


oh and free the poor dragons, maybe free them first, they probably burn the city for you then, less work.

Yeah I can see Dany going full on Mad King after this and murderer a few ten's of thousands to get her point across. Tyrion's advise will probably play a very key role in what her next move will be.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
IMR
Profile Joined May 2013
70 Posts
June 08 2015 13:50 GMT
#27874
Yeah, scratch all that. It almost certainly came out of Mereen.
IMR
Profile Joined May 2013
70 Posts
June 08 2015 13:50 GMT
#27875
It would probably be good for her to not kill people and become a tyrant.
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2545 Posts
June 08 2015 13:52 GMT
#27876
On June 08 2015 22:04 Serejai wrote:
Davos is going to kill Stannis.

Well he better get in line. Brienne and Loras already called dibs.
####
Mercy13
Profile Joined January 2011
United States718 Posts
June 08 2015 13:53 GMT
#27877
What if Mel was the one who created those fires in an attempt to force Stannis's hand? It was weird how they cropped up all over the place, and we never see any horsemen. Also, this seems like the sort of thing she should have seen beforehand in her fires. She clearly knew something was up, but made no attempt to give a warning or anything.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-08 13:56:31
June 08 2015 13:56 GMT
#27878
Daenerys is a terrible actor l o l. I dont blame Stannis, If I were in his shoes, i'd also believe in Melissandre. That woman created a frigging shadow that killed Renly.

Tyrion is great as ever.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
June 08 2015 13:57 GMT
#27879
The arena scene was really funny; any time you look in the background there are people running around in circles along the stadium seats. Even at the end, people doing laps around the arena, all uniformly dispersed,very courteous towards each other. Whatever, no big deal.

The Dorne storyline - what a waste of screen time. Two 'Murican characters randomly team up to travel to Dorne with no supplies, inside contacts, or knowledge of the area, to improvise a "rescue operation" on the fly. The kind of operation that ignores any resultant political repercussions, like jeopardising the objective of the arranged marriage, and potentially starting a war. But it's all good; the are 'Murican. They will wing it, and do it with style, attitude, and humour.

But it's okay; I can accept the terrible premise and execution if something interesting comes out of it.

Nope! Ellaria gets a slap on the wrist, Jaime gets a mild scolding, and Bronn wonders whether he got lost on a sitcom set. Everyone forgives each other, the ties of friendship are now stronger, it was all a big misunderstanding. Cue laugh track, still frame, roll credits.
"But on a more serious note..." -everyone on this forum at some point.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
June 08 2015 13:59 GMT
#27880
After all the hype I read going into this episode, I'm disappointed. Meh
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
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