EPTReligious fanatics are the worst in real life and in fiction.
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SkelA
Macedonia13069 Posts
Religious fanatics are the worst in real life and in fiction. | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23488 Posts
On June 08 2015 19:32 Shock710 wrote: In this video, the sullied seem way more powerful, but i guess this is what they were mainly trained for open field war where they can make full use of being in line and make formations. I think they might be slightly above average in fighting but their main strength is no emotion so when they're in a fight against charging warriors like in the video they dont get scared like most men would they dont tremble and forget to lock shields basically they can do formations correctly even under pressure where a normal guy would flee. I think it is why they kind suck balls in every fight we see in the show. Yes people miss about 50% of the show it seems when they complain about stuff like this. The part that makes them so effective is in a fight between two armies with 10,000 about 1,000 on each side die the rest of the losing side runs. The unsullied will fight till the last one is dead. That same discipline and fearlessness makes their formations ridiculously strong. On top of that they are comparably trained to the best armies in the world. A nice bonus is once they have sacked the town for you they won't go around raping the innocent women. They are not individually the best warriors and don't think anyone ever claimed that. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On June 08 2015 18:30 Jockmcplop wrote: Yeah after seeing in the history and lore videos about how the Targeryans wrecked the whole of Westeros with nothing but a small army and a few dragons i was hoping for something massively more impressive than that. They must still be babies or something, because Drogon was pretty rubbish, Aegon the conqueror's dragon was 200 years old. Drogon is <5. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21961 Posts
On June 08 2015 19:36 SkelA wrote: I still dont get it why Stannis burned his daughter when he had that talk with her about saving her life from the illness. Religious fanatics are the worst in real life and in fiction. The army is stuck in winter, their supplies were just burned. They cant go forward cause of the snow, they cant make it back to Castle Black without starving. Basically Stannis army is dead. His only chance is Mellisandra's offer from a few episodes ago. If he says no they all die, including his daughter. If he says yes his daughter dies and everyone else lives. As for the episode. Sad they once again showed the Unsullied as being garbage. Sure they need to die to create the situation but at least let them go down taking a lot with them instead of the dumb deaths we saw instead. Joras fight was also pretty damn bad. Losing all 3 fights he is in and surviving by utterly unrealistic maneuvers and strait up deux ex machina >< Guess Tyrion and the rest are all dead now since Dany left them in the arena surrounded by Harpies? Ofcourse they will survive without explanation >< Have they got another fighting co-coordinator? because the fights this season have been pretty bad compared to previous ones. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On June 08 2015 19:41 GreenHorizons wrote: Yes people miss about 50% of the show it seems when they complain about stuff like this. The part that makes them so effective is in a fight between two armies with 10,000 about 1,000 on each side die the rest of the losing side runs. The unsullied will fight till the last one is dead. That same discipline and fearlessness makes their formations ridiculously strong. On top of that they are comparably trained to the best armies in the world. A nice bonus is once they have sacked the town for you they won't go around raping the innocent women. They are not individually the best warriors and don't think anyone ever claimed that. Well they should at least show that they've been training so long and hard and without remorse. They're just a bunch of idiots with spears in fights who die in the dumbest ways. Doesn't matter what lore is behind it if you show otherwise on screen. | ||
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
Stannis comes across as a bit indecisive, but this is also a big conflict within his character, the allegiance to his common sense and morals, and the desire to be on the Iron Throne clashing with each other. D&D have tried to claim that Stannis never changes his mind, but I think Stannis changing his mind is a part of his character. If it had been anyone else attempting to murder Melisandre, who is clearly someone Stannis values as an adviser more so than his Hand, he would have put him to death. His love for Davos prevented him from dispensing full justice - the same thing also happened when Davos "betrayed" Stannis again, releasing Gendry. Stannis sentences him to death, but finds an excuse to keep him alive. Mel and Davos, obviously, are the devil and the angel on his shoulders. When he sent Davos away in this episode, he was surrendering his moral compass, that sometimes restrains him from committing horrible acts in the name of becoming king. After the Bolton raid, Stannis seems almost catatonic, similar to how he was after the Blackwater - but he's worse off this time. Being stranded in ever-deeper snow with almost no food or horses; essentially it was his daughter's life or everyone else's. That doesn't make it fair, but you can see why he would do it, despite his love for his daughter. Stannis is quite convinced that Mel's magic has the power to kill anyone (ahem, except Balon Greyjoy), and probably is convinced that if he'd taken her with him, he could have won the Blackwater (probably true, but would maybe require some horrible sacrifice, similar to Shireen). He puts great stock in Mel's blood magic. Oh, one last thing, I think the way they lead up to her killing was somewhat uncharacteristic. The most traumatic deaths often happen quickly and in a brutal way; the Red Wedding went from relatively normal scene to some of the most graphic violence in seconds. Few people, upon first viewing, expected Eddard to die until the very moment he did. The scene with Davos and Shireen in this episode, while endearing, was a massive piece of immediate foreshadowing. It's almost a repeat of what was done last episode, with the "I'll be right behind you" cliché. But, I do enjoy that the scene was prolonged and torturous to watch - people who stick with Stannis need to feel exactly what that entails. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23488 Posts
On June 08 2015 19:59 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Well they should at least show that they've been training so long and hard and without remorse. They're just a bunch a idiots with spears in fights who die in the dumbest ways. Doesn't matter what lore is behind it if you show otherwise. Clearly a combat expert, this one is. I mean they were only outnumbered like 7-1 and the enemies were dressed the same as the civilians. What kind of superior military takes losses against an under-armed insurgent force blending in with the general population in an unplanned assault. Oh yeah, that's right, every military that's ever tried it. | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
On June 08 2015 19:48 Gorsameth wrote: The army is stuck in winter, their supplies were just burned. They cant go forward cause of the snow, they cant make it back to Castle Black without starving. Basically Stannis army is dead. His only chance is Mellisandra's offer from a few episodes ago. If he says no they all die, including his daughter. If he says yes his daughter dies and everyone else lives. As for the episode. Sad they once again showed the Unsullied as being garbage. Sure they need to die to create the situation but at least let them go down taking a lot with them instead of the dumb deaths we saw instead. Joras fight was also pretty damn bad. Losing all 3 fights he is in and surviving by utterly unrealistic maneuvers and strait up deux ex machina >< Guess Tyrion and the rest are all dead now since Dany left them in the arena surrounded by Harpies? Ofcourse they will survive without explanation >< Have they got another fighting co-coordinator? because the fights this season have been pretty bad compared to previous ones. yeah i have to agreed the fights arent exactly what i expect in terms of how they win and the choreography, i think jorah was a bit more disadvantaged than these guys because hes uses to fighting fully plated armor i personally love when jorah was explaining how his armor would trump a dorthraki in 1v1 combat and then later showing that an opponents curved blade wouldnt be able to pierce steel (especially in the shape its in) by tanking the shot to his side and trapping it. I love to see or be told about adjustments the talented/experienced/good fighters make in battle vs different opponents makes the fighting seem much more better and makes me as a viewer get more engaged im taking about pitfights and 1v1s not necessarily unsullied because while i do think they train all day, they probably just drill and drill the same moves over again with zero adaptability outside of open field war, i mean whos actually gonna teach them to fight dirty maybe dario but he seems satisfied in doing his own thing and i would guess training unsullied would be quite boring to him. From when danny was buying them, they basically just trained switching stances and be accurate with where they need their spears to be and how tightly they hold them. They are probably better than average bandits and 1v1 i have no doubt they could take out the masked assassins (even 2v1) but even just watching u couldnt tell who was who u cant just be stabbing everyone and it only takes one out of the millions to stab you when u arent looking, im just surprised they didnt regroup together faster all of them seemed to be doing their own thing (which was making it down the stadium towards danny) and along the way a backstab is going to get you. Even with previous experience im not sure how much learning you can get from it because either you were lucky or ur werent and theres no second chances | ||
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IMR
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On June 08 2015 20:06 GreenHorizons wrote: Clearly a combat expert, this one is. I mean they were only outnumbered like 7-1 and the enemies were dressed the same as the civilians. What kind of superior military takes losses against an under-armed insurgent force blending in with the general population in an unplanned assault. Oh yeah, that's right, every military that's ever tried it. I'm not saying they shouldnt lose, I'm saying they lost like really shitty unimpressive fighters. Also the enemies neatly put on golden masks for recognition  | ||
KadaverBB
Germany25657 Posts
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IMR
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KadaverBB
Germany25657 Posts
On June 08 2015 20:19 IMR wrote: So what's next for Stannis? A chunk of his army deserts him because he burned his daughter at the stake, the weather clears, and then he gets what he originally wanted, an open field engagement with Bolton's army? If I were Stannis I'd just send 20 good men of my own. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21961 Posts
On June 08 2015 20:19 IMR wrote: So what's next for Stannis? A chunk of his army deserts him because he burned his daughter at the stake, the weather clears, and then he gets what he originally wanted, an open field engagement with Bolton's army? Dont think there will be much deserting. Boltens wont take an open field engagement as per their earlier tactical discussion so I would guess the weather clears in such a way to favor Stannis. Allowing him to arrive at Winterfell unexpected and overwhelm them before they know what is going on. | ||
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IMR
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IMR
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I hope Bolton jumps his ass in the sun with that 10:1 shit just as his last horses die. | ||
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IMR
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Fi0na
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
On June 08 2015 20:43 Fi0na wrote: Stannis will barely make it to Winterfell, unable to fight, but get it for free because Littlefinger has already captured it from the south (where the Boltons did not expect any attack coming from) That's something I didn't consider. Littlefinger showing up with vale knights is possible, but it would be disappointing to see Stannis bailed out without really having won a victory. | ||
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