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Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
On May 21 2015 09:29 Gorsameth wrote: The only times Tyrion 'lost' were when his Sister had a Kingsguard try to kill him and the trial where she tried to kill him again. Tyrion learned later on, during a conversation with Cersei, that it was actually Joffrey who ordered the kingsguard to kill Tyrion. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22417 Posts
On May 22 2015 06:47 Zandar wrote: Tyrion learned later on, during a conversation with Cersei, that it was actually Joffrey who ordered the kingsguard to kill Tyrion. That wasn't about Tyrion, it was about the killing of Robert's bastards. Assuming you mean this scene + Show Spoiler + edit: that scene is actually from before the siege. When was this scene your talking about because I dont remember it Oo | ||
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
On May 22 2015 06:53 Gorsameth wrote: That wasn't about Tyrion, it was about the killing of Robert's bastards. Assuming you mean this scene + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtPtJCFbc5U edit: that scene is actually from before the siege. When was this scene your talking about because I dont remember it Oo I don't remember exactly when the scene was, but I believe he is correct there was one that suggested Joffery ordered it and not Cersei | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22417 Posts
I dont know, both have more then enough reason to do it but in my mind Cersei is still the one. To me Joffrey is the kind of person who would simply order his execution if he wanted him dead. And yes Cersei would be stupid enough to do it that way, after all she send an assassin after Brann back in season 1 with Tyrion's dagger. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22417 Posts
On May 22 2015 07:42 WolfintheSheep wrote: Umm...I'm pretty sure it was Joffrey that sent that assassin as well. At that point Joffrey doesn't even know he is a child of incest or who injured Bran. Makes no sense for him to want to kill him. Only Cersei and Jamey had reason. | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On May 22 2015 07:42 WolfintheSheep wrote: Umm...I'm pretty sure it was Joffrey that sent that assassin as well. According to the wiki the show never revealed who sent the assassin, I don't know if we're meant to draw our own conclusions or they figured it was too long ago to resolve. Edit: checked my statement against show wiki. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
Still no reason to believe Cersei would be that stupid to give such a blatantly opulent dagger to an assassin, plenty of reason to believe Joffrey would. Either way, it wasn't Tyrion's dagger, unless you believe Littlefinger's story. And if you're believing Littlefinger, you've probably lost your head already. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22417 Posts
On May 22 2015 07:52 WolfintheSheep wrote: Okay, yeah, the series basically leaves that a complete loose end, which is odd. Still no reason to believe Cersei would be that stupid to give such a blatantly opulent dagger to an assassin, plenty of reason to believe Joffrey would. Either way, it wasn't Tyrion's dagger, unless you believe Littlefinger's story. And if you're believing Littlefinger, you've probably lost your head already. good point on that last one. Never trust Littlefinger is a good rule. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On May 22 2015 07:52 WolfintheSheep wrote: Okay, yeah, the series basically leaves that a complete loose end, which is odd. Loose end, with strong implication of Cersei/Jaime guilt... just like the murder of Jon Arryn (dun, dun duuuuun!) | ||
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albis
United States652 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22417 Posts
On May 22 2015 17:04 albis wrote: i just can't believe how i went from liking theon, to hating theon, to pitying him, to feeling bad for him. during that last scene with sansa they just zoom into theon who is crying and twitching and is such a broken person. that slow close up of him deserves awards it gets kinda buried in the 'controversy' but the actor did an amazing job with that scene yeah. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On May 22 2015 17:04 albis wrote: i just can't believe how i went from liking theon, to hating theon, to pitying him, to feeling bad for him. during that last scene with sansa they just zoom into theon who is crying and twitching and is such a broken person. that slow close up of him deserves awards I felt it was way over the top. | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
Anyways, what I expect to happen in the show now: *Olena is going to free her grandchildren. *Sparrows are going to turn on Cercie. *Jorah and tyrion will go to the fighting pits and eventually meet Dany (about damn time). *Not sure how the current Jamie and Bronn situation will be resolved as far as the daughter goes, but either way I think the current prince/king is going to send them back to King's Landing (with or without Marcella, I personally think without but can see it going either way. *Stannis is going to wreck the boltons, Littlefinger will try to get in with Stannis (he wont attack Stannis even if Stannis wins and is weak imo, Lannister alliance is becoming more and more useless). *Jon snow goes to wherever it is hes going, conflict and fighting happens, he wins, makes arrangement with the wildlings. Think thats pretty much the main things I expect to happen in the next epidose or two, at least I hope so so that we dont end the season with any of those situations being the point they leave us at. All those points seem easy enough to assess the outcomes, I imagine at the season end all the factions will be quite splintered and no one will really be in a great position and thats where the show will leave us for now. Tyrells will have completely cut all Lannister ties and will retreat to Highgarden. Lannister situation will be worse than it already is, whether or not Tommen will still sit on the throne I don't know, but if hes gotten rid of I don't imagine a new king will be named yet. Stannis will win vs the boltons I think, but will probably be weakened to the point where he has to hole up as well. Danys conflict with the masters will come to its climax. Some crazy shit is going to happen at the wall while Jon is gone. Just when we thought some factions were making progress they are all going to be fucked by the end of the season. | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
He's been getting so much love lately, that Shireen scene, all the advice to Jon, everyone universally saying he's going to curb-stomp the Boltons (including the Boltons). I mean is Roose really going to sit back and let himself get taken down? Maybe they'll let him win to really set us up so he can be taken down when we least expect it, that seems very GoT-ish, no? Then again they built him up before Blackwater and he managed to survive his defeat. | ||
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albis
United States652 Posts
i just have no idea what littlefinger is doing. the guy who got olenas grandchildren in jail is his employee. so little finger and cercei use religion to get rid of highgarden and then littlefinger uses it to depose the king/cercei? | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22417 Posts
On May 23 2015 05:43 Kickstart wrote: Pretty sure Littlefinger has no connections with the faith militant. There was a blatant scene where Lancel confronted him when he arrived in King's Landing. He even made a snarky comment about religion in general telling Lancel that both he and Lancel deal in fantasies, his just happen to be more entertaining. Plus Littlefinger questioned Cersei's actions of antagonizing the Tyrell's prior to revealing his plan to march on the Boltons. At this point I think his plan is to abandon the Lannisters and find a new ally (potentially Stannis) | ||
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Deleted User 26513
2376 Posts
On May 23 2015 05:39 albis wrote: red women has been pretty spot on with predictions so i think stannis wins vs bolten. combines with stark, survives brienne, maybe she kills the red women. they take kings landing. i just have no idea what littlefinger is doing. the guy who got olenas grandchildren in jail is his employee. so little finger and cercei use religion to get rid of highgarden and then littlefinger uses it to depose the king/cercei? Stannis has to win against the Boltons. How can we otherwise see the clash between the two religious wackos - Red woman and the old dude. Also, my bet is that Reek will kill Ramsey. I think that the Lannister cause is lost, because they are basically out of allies and broke. Littlefinger will turn against then in the first possible moment. And knowing his ability to persuade people, he will turn the entire army agaist them, too. It's funny that the slave master that caught Mormont and Tyrion is dead, but doesn't know it yet  | ||
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