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On May 05 2015 08:02 Gorsameth wrote:
Pretty sure Lyanna was kipnapped before she could get it on with Robert, And I don't see Ned keeping a son between them a secret consider she was the love of his life and taken away from him.
The idea of him being a bastard of Robert makes sense tho. It would also explain the sexual interest from Melisandra. As a Baratheon he would have the blood of a king and enable her to do something similar as she did with Stannis shadow child thing.
I'm not too familiar with the timing of the kidnapping and whatnot. That said, I hadn't thought about the thing with Melisandre and sexual interest in Jon Snow. Maybe the showrunners just wanted some tits!... but then again...
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On May 05 2015 07:43 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 07:31 Canucklehead wrote:On May 05 2015 07:17 Djzapz wrote:On May 05 2015 07:13 Wolfstan wrote:
Why would he be Baratheon? As far as I know there aren't any named female Baratheons unless you think he is Robert, Stannis or Renly's bastard. We're told Ned's main characteristic is he's an honorable guy who pretty much died doing the right thing instead of playing the game of thrones. He would never cheat on Cat. Or maybe he did. But maybe he didn't, and he was covering for someone else. He could've adopted for instance Robert Baratheon's bastard son to avoid him whatever embarrassment it would have caused with Cercei at the time. Seems like a long shot but yeah. Robert had a ton of bastards though. Why would ned adopt that one bastard out of so many? I still think the R+L=J theory to be the best one so far. Sansa lingering over her aunt's statue and little finger giving that speech seems to strengthen the theory too. Well Robert had a lot of bastards, I think Jon is older than Gendry, maybe Jon happened when having a bastard was especially embarrassing to Robert. Then he started taking Cercei for granted. Sweet, sweet Cercei. Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 07:23 Emnjay808 wrote:
Me and my friend got to theorizing about Jon Snow's real mom and dad. It might be from Robert and that one chick he was mourning to in the underground keep (during S1). Im not sure how to glue the timeline together, but I guess during war Robert got her pregnant and then she died (to Targarian?) Then Ned took up the motherless baby as his own. Robert didnt know she was pregnant. Lyanna Stark, yes.
Rather than say it was embarrassing I'd be more inclined to say rather than have the bastard of his friend and sister go to some random commoner, Ned preferred if he raised him.
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On May 05 2015 07:31 Canucklehead wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 07:17 Djzapz wrote:On May 05 2015 07:13 Wolfstan wrote:
Why would he be Baratheon? As far as I know there aren't any named female Baratheons unless you think he is Robert, Stannis or Renly's bastard. We're told Ned's main characteristic is he's an honorable guy who pretty much died doing the right thing instead of playing the game of thrones. He would never cheat on Cat. Or maybe he did. But maybe he didn't, and he was covering for someone else. He could've adopted for instance Robert Baratheon's bastard son to avoid him whatever embarrassment it would have caused with Cercei at the time. Seems like a long shot but yeah. Robert had a ton of bastards though. Why ...
Not only that, but the way Barristan was speaking of Rhaegar in such a good light during the episode and the way Littlefinger looked when Sansa was talking about her aunt being kidnapped, gave me that impression that things didn't really go down like some perceived.
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But when will main characters die?
Come on grrm, don't go wuss on us now.
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My girlfriend's theory is that Snow is Robert's lovechild with Lyanna. That would make him, among other things, Robert's firstborn. Given the bastard massacre by Joff, there is at least some sense that bastards can claim these things. However, a further possibility is that she did in fact marry him, perhaps secretly, perhaps just as she was kidnapped, which makes him legitimate. Also possible that he has already secretly been legitimized, either by Robert secretly sometime after Ned went to King's landing or by Ned himself as Hand. Alternatively, Stannis, if recognized as King, could certainly legitimize him yet, for whatever reason.
+ Show Spoiler +And if the ultimate end of all of this takes after Wars of the Roses as much as the story does, Danny will marry the Baratheon heir... presumably Snow, but theoretically Gendry.
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gendry and ayra ship all the way rofl that gif someone made of gendry working half naked and arya like damnn!! is so good
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People keep forgetting that Unsullied was ambushed and using spears in a confined area. If they were carrying short swords I doubt those peasants wouldn't kill even half of them. Also Barristan just killed a bunch of them
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On May 05 2015 10:05 shin_toss wrote:
People keep forgetting that Unsullied was ambushed and using spears in a confined area. If they were carrying short swords I doubt those peasants wouldn't kill even half of them.
People aren't forgetting that. People are pointing out and questioning why they always use spears in confined areas and never carry swords.
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On May 05 2015 09:21 Yoav wrote:My girlfriend's theory is that Snow is Robert's lovechild with Lyanna. That would make him, among other things, Robert's firstborn. Given the bastard massacre by Joff, there is at least some sense that bastards can claim these things. However, a further possibility is that she did in fact marry him, perhaps secretly, perhaps just as she was kidnapped, which makes him legitimate. Also possible that he has already secretly been legitimized, either by Robert secretly sometime after Ned went to King's landing or by Ned himself as Hand. Alternatively, Stannis, if recognized as King, could certainly legitimize him yet, for whatever reason. + Show Spoiler +And if the ultimate end of all of this takes after Wars of the Roses as much as the story does, Danny will marry the Baratheon heir... presumably Snow, but theoretically Gendry.
They'll write a song about their wedding. It will be called: a song of ice and fire.
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The unsullied are not designed to be policemen, they're meant to fight other armies in formation etc. I'm not entirely sure why they're still using giant spears in the narrow city streets, but I'll put that down to danerys being retarded as usual :<
But isn't it pretty clear that at least some of the assassins are gladiators? They've mentioned the fighting pits 3-4 times now over different episodes, and the guy was literally telling danerys about how "today would have been the first day the pits opened" exactly as a hitherto unseen number of harpies attacked. (And remember Dario was a gladiator, so these guys seem pretty full on.)
It's not hard to imagine ex-slaves who only know how to kill, but are very good at killing, deciding to kill for the ex-masters for pay. Especially since the people they're killing work for the person who told them they aren't allowed to kill anymore. And scrappy, close quarter fighting like that would be exactly what they're best at.
I really don't think grey worm is dead though, he has that whole romance but not romance plotline with the dothraki girl which they've spent SOOO much time on and just left hanging a while ago. Would be odd for the producers to spend that much time on something that never resolves, if they're just going to kill him off after not mentioning it for ages. And people have survived wayyyy worse then a knife in the side.
Selmy looked fucked though :<
Maybe varys comes and saves him somehow, could be a way for varys to show his/tyrions trustworthiness, although i dunno if he's much of a healer.
On May 05 2015 08:33 illsick wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 07:31 Canucklehead wrote:On May 05 2015 07:17 Djzapz wrote:On May 05 2015 07:13 Wolfstan wrote:
Why would he be Baratheon? As far as I know there aren't any named female Baratheons unless you think he is Robert, Stannis or Renly's bastard. We're told Ned's main characteristic is he's an honorable guy who pretty much died doing the right thing instead of playing the game of thrones. He would never cheat on Cat. Or maybe he did. But maybe he didn't, and he was covering for someone else. He could've adopted for instance Robert Baratheon's bastard son to avoid him whatever embarrassment it would have caused with Cercei at the time. Seems like a long shot but yeah. Robert had a ton of bastards though. Why... Not only that, but the way Barristan was speaking of Rhaegar in such a good light during the episode and the way Littlefinger looked when Sansa was talking about her aunt being kidnapped, gave me that impression that things didn't really go down like some perceived.
Wasn't he talking about how rheagar was actually mad, in a negative way, just a few episodes ago? Or was that someone else.
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On May 05 2015 12:52 killerdog wrote:
Wasn't he talking about how rheagar was actually mad, in a negative way, just a few episodes ago? Or was that someone else.
Nah, that was Aerys (sp?) the Mad King. Rhaegar was the prince. He also kidnapped and raped Cat's sister, so there's that.
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On May 05 2015 14:02 shin_toss wrote:
You mean Ned's sister?
Yeah that one :-)
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On May 05 2015 03:56 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 03:06 ShiaoPi wrote:
more of a stupid idea of daenerys to have the Unsullied patrol the city when their greatest strength is arguably a field battle, where they can lock shields and actually keep formation to abuse their range. BUt then again she probably has no other reliable force to keep order in the city The biggest problem with the unsullied is their shields. It shits on the realistic effectiveness of formation. Any army with half a brain would just hack out their knees and lower. Their lower body is essentially defenseless to an enemy line with spears. Even spartan shields had a significantly larger surface area. Their spears are too short too. And their armor is shitty. Unsullied don't make sense as an elite fighting group (tactically, equipment, or body mass).
When they are introduced Missandei says something like "they are proficient in the three spears". So it's reasonable to assume they have long spears for a field battle and the regular ones they are carrying the in episode.
Doesn't explain why they didn't fight in a more coherent formation though. I guess it just looks cooler on TV to have them go 1vX and falling one by one.
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Also regarding Unsullied shield. I think its NOT designed for Phalanx. Since unsullied are good as an individual 'agile' fighters hence the light armor and the small shield (buckler). The only thing wrong I see is they don't have a secondary short weapon. esp that they are patrolling the narrow streets.
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People are reading too much into this. First of all, it's a fucking TV show. They aren't trying to be "correct" or "realistic" in the LEAST. They've pretty much never done that with their fighting scenes. What they want is a badass hollywood-like fighting scene that's back and forth and they want to portray the main characters in a "badass" way. Personally I would have been fine with it if they showed the sons outnumbering the unsullied by a lot more.
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On May 05 2015 19:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:
People are reading too much into this. First of all, it's a fucking TV show. They aren't trying to be "correct" or "realistic" in the LEAST. They've pretty much never done that with their fighting scenes. What they want is a badass hollywood-like fighting scene that's back and forth and they want to portray the main characters in a "badass" way. Personally I would have been fine with it if they showed the sons outnumbering the unsullied by a lot more.
Why is 'being a tv show' an excuse for illogical or inconsistent behavior? This argument is pretty close in line to "it's a fantasy world, they can do whatever they want", which gets thrown around so much.
Yes they can do whatever they want in establishing the rules of the universe. But when the characters behave in a manner that is inconsistent with these rules then that's a weak point of the show. There is no reason for the unsullied to wear impractical armor or use impractical weapons, for example. Combat in GoT works just like it would in the real world. Trying to wave these critcisms away with 'its a tv show', or 'its fantasy' doesn't make any sense.
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The whole combat is highly unrealistic, if you think sword fights in the real world would look anything like what you see in got, then your just not very well informed... i don't see how having non-optimal gear somehow is suddenly this big problem...
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On May 05 2015 20:10 solidbebe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 19:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:
People are reading too much into this. First of all, it's a fucking TV show. They aren't trying to be "correct" or "realistic" in the LEAST. They've pretty much never done that with their fighting scenes. What they want is a badass hollywood-like fighting scene that's back and forth and they want to portray the main characters in a "badass" way. Personally I would have been fine with it if they showed the sons outnumbering the unsullied by a lot more. Why is 'being a tv show' an excuse for illogical or inconsistent behavior? This argument is pretty close in line to "it's a fantasy world, they can do whatever they want", which gets thrown around so much. Yes they can do whatever they want in establishing the rules of the universe. But when the characters behave in a manner that is inconsistent with these rules then that's a weak point of the show. There is no reason for the unsullied to wear impractical armor or use impractical weapons, for example. Combat in GoT works just like it would in the real world. Trying to wave these critcisms away with 'its a tv show', or 'its fantasy' doesn't make any sense.
Well yeah that is ok if people call it a weak point of the show then. They dont though, they discuss it as a weak point of the Unsullied.
Also what Velr said, there is no realistic combat in this show in the first place. There never was.
The combat scenes are also not what the show is about or what makes it good. They are just fillers thrown in there for certain audiences, like the nude scenes.
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On May 05 2015 20:10 solidbebe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 19:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:
People are reading too much into this. First of all, it's a fucking TV show. They aren't trying to be "correct" or "realistic" in the LEAST. They've pretty much never done that with their fighting scenes. What they want is a badass hollywood-like fighting scene that's back and forth and they want to portray the main characters in a "badass" way. Personally I would have been fine with it if they showed the sons outnumbering the unsullied by a lot more. Why is 'being a tv show' an excuse for illogical or inconsistent behavior? This argument is pretty close in line to "it's a fantasy world, they can do whatever they want", which gets thrown around so much. Yes they can do whatever they want in establishing the rules of the universe. But when the characters behave in a manner that is inconsistent with these rules then that's a weak point of the show. There is no reason for the unsullied to wear impractical armor or use impractical weapons, for example. Combat in GoT works just like it would in the real world. Trying to wave these critcisms away with 'its a tv show', or 'its fantasy' doesn't make any sense.
What's inconsistent about it? Where have we seen the Unsullied fight like you believe they should in the show?
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