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On April 29 2014 19:03 CAPSLOCKED wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 17:45 Jandos wrote:On April 29 2014 17:41 urboss wrote:
I haven't seen The Mountain for a while.
I hope things are going well for him! Well he has a new actor again ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3J1wyWQ.jpg) Maaaan, AGAIN? The guy who played him in the first season was such a beast.
This guy is much more of a beast.
The first two "Mountains" were both over 7foot tall, but rather lean (the 2nd one more so than the first) - I think both played Basketball at one stage
This Mountain, whilst only 6 feet 8.5 inches - he weighs... 180kgs (or 396lbs)
That is the absolute perfect definition of "The Mountain" IMO. He is Icelands strongest man, and placed 2nd overall in the worlds strongest man tournaments most recent competition... yep... someone in the world is stronger than him...!
I cant wait to see how they show his size/strength in the season.
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What needed to fall into place for the poisoning to become a success?
(Percentages show likelihood of success)
- a) Sansa needs to wear the necklace for the wedding. 70%
- b) Olenna needs to grab the poison from Sansa's necklace. 80%
- c) The cup needs to be placed in reach of Olenna 60%
- d) Olenna needs to put the poison into the cup unseen. 40%
- e) Sansa shouldn't be prevented from leaving the wedding. 80%
If math doesn't fail me, the likelihood for the plan working is:
0.7 * 0.8 * 0.6 * 0.4 * 0.8 =
11%
The percentages are open for debate of course and you can post your own!
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The last episode showed that Margaery clearly had no idea what happened, so she wasn't involved at all. And what if Sansa would have been caught? She would have claimed innocence and no knowledge of the necklace, and by the time she would mention Dontos he would've been dead already. There would be no way to connect her to Olenna.
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On April 30 2014 09:43 shin_toss wrote:
didn't that there were 3 actors already for The Mountain? the only scene i remembered him was the jousting tourney. Does the 2nd one even had a noticeable scene?
The scene in Harrenhall where the Mountain pointed out the next prisoner to get tortured. When hotpie stood at front because the guy next to him always did and never got picked. Then that guy got picked and hotpie peed his pants.
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On April 30 2014 17:34 Conti wrote:
The last episode showed that Margaery clearly had no idea what happened, so she wasn't involved at all. And what if Sansa would have been caught? She would have claimed innocence and no knowledge of the necklace, and by the time she would mention Dontos he would've been dead already. There would be no way to connect her to Olenna.
Exactly, Margaery wasn't involved, yet it was her who touched the cup last. She could have just placed it somewhere else or just held it in her hand forever; if so, Olenna would never be able to reach it.
If Sansa would have been prevented from leaving the wedding, the plan would have failed for Littlefinger.
And Sansa was the only reason he did get involved in the poisoning.
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On April 30 2014 14:04 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 09:57 scudst0rm wrote:On April 30 2014 09:43 shin_toss wrote:
didn't that there were 3 actors already for The Mountain? the only scene i remembered him was the jousting tourney. Does the 2nd one even had a noticeable scene? No. He had a few lines in season 2 at Harrenhal. He kept his helmet on the whole time too. No, he had it off quite a lot:
That guy was such a bad choice for the mountain.
He might be tall, but that's about it.
He was way too skinny and his face looks more like some wise jedi, like that Grey Warden leader dude in Dragon Age.
Totally didn't give me the mindless slayer feeling. The mountain has to be like a human orc. Over the top physical looks like a pro wrestler.
First one was still the best, but the 3rd one looks pretty good
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On April 30 2014 17:05 urboss wrote:What needed to fall into place for the poisoning to become a success?(Percentages show likelihood of success) - a) Sansa needs to wear the necklace for the wedding. 70%
- b) Olenna needs to grab the poison from Sansa's necklace. 80%
- c) Margaery needs to place the cup in reach of Olenna 60%
- d) Olenna needs to put the poison into the cup unseen. 40%
- e) Sansa shouldn't get caught leaving the wedding. 80%
If math doesn't fail me, the likelihood for the plan working is: 0.7 * 0.8 * 0.6 * 0.4 * 0.8 = 11%The percentages are open for debate of course and you can post your own!
How much did Littlefinger care about success? If Olenna had been caught and Joffrey lived, would that still be an acceptable outcome for Littlefinger? What if Sansa had been caught running from the scene?
I get the impression that Littlefinger's plans don't need to fully succeed to work out for him, and in fact for all we know there may of been more parts to the plan that were unsuccessful.
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On April 30 2014 17:46 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 17:05 urboss wrote:What needed to fall into place for the poisoning to become a success?(Percentages show likelihood of success) - a) Sansa needs to wear the necklace for the wedding. 70%
- b) Olenna needs to grab the poison from Sansa's necklace. 80%
- c) Margaery needs to place the cup in reach of Olenna 60%
- d) Olenna needs to put the poison into the cup unseen. 40%
- e) Sansa shouldn't get caught leaving the wedding. 80%
If math doesn't fail me, the likelihood for the plan working is: 0.7 * 0.8 * 0.6 * 0.4 * 0.8 = 11%The percentages are open for debate of course and you can post your own! How much did Littlefinger care about success? If Olenna had been caught and Joffrey lived, would that still be an acceptable outcome for Littlefinger? What if Sansa had been caught running from the scene? I get the impression that Littlefinger's plans don't need to fully succeed to work out for him, and in fact for all we know there may of been more parts to the plan that were unsuccessful.
Agreed.
However, the whole thing wasn't without risk for Littlefinger:
Imagine Olenna does get caught - and the odds were against her - she would most likely point at Sansa and the missing stone on her necklace.
If then Sansa is questioned, she will reveal that she got the necklace from the fool.
Then the fool gets questioned, and he will reveal who gave him the necklace and paid him money to deliver it, which is Littlefinger.
Therefore, Littlefinger was dependent on the poisoning working out.
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That is assuming that Littlefinger has none of the dungeon guards on his payroll, who could murder the fool before he was questioned. If I were Littlefinger, I would definitely have some of the king's landing jailors in my pocket. Despite his bravado, I don't see LF as the type of person to take such a huge risk without having backup plans.
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Littlefinger killed the fool, and he would have killed him in any other situation, so the only risk would have been if he got caught right away.
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Ok, you convinced me, Littlefinger might have his ways to pull himself out of this.
However, this doesn't make the actual poisoning to succeed any more likely.
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Why the fuck didn't the old lady just keep the poison on her. How unnecessarily convoluted was that weak ass assassination plot... that really pisses me off when i see shit writing like that. They better explain that shit. Especially after that complete plot hole with the white walkers not killing Sam and how Sam got past them to SOMEHOW make it back to the wall...
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I guess there is no entirely foolproof way of killing the king without drawing attention to who actually did it(or tried to do it in case of failure).
Poisoning seems about as likely as sending an assassin (or whatever else you can come up with), so might as well give it a shot?
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lol i just saw this funny pic, doesnt he remind u of tywin hahaha (kinda looks like him to me)
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On April 30 2014 18:44 kamicom wrote:
Why the fuck didn't the old lady just keep the poison on her. How unnecessarily convoluted was that weak ass assassination plot... that really pisses me off when i see shit writing like that. They better explain that shit. Especially after that complete plot hole with the white walkers not killing Sam and how Sam got past them to SOMEHOW make it back to the wall...
I mean it was pretty clearly to set up a scape goat
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On April 30 2014 18:44 kamicom wrote:
Why the fuck didn't the old lady just keep the poison on her. How unnecessarily convoluted was that weak ass assassination plot... that really pisses me off when i see shit writing like that. They better explain that shit. Especially after that complete plot hole with the white walkers not killing Sam and how Sam got past them to SOMEHOW make it back to the wall...
Yeah she could easily hide it in her clothes, nobody's ever gonna pat her down so it's safe.
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On April 30 2014 20:05 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 18:44 kamicom wrote:
Why the fuck didn't the old lady just keep the poison on her. How unnecessarily convoluted was that weak ass assassination plot... that really pisses me off when i see shit writing like that. They better explain that shit. Especially after that complete plot hole with the white walkers not killing Sam and how Sam got past them to SOMEHOW make it back to the wall...
I mean it was pretty clearly to set up a scape goat
If that was true, why would Littlefinger have her given the necklace in the first place?
Remember, Littlefinger is only in it for Sansa.
If Sansa gets blamed, he won't get her.
Just in general hiding the poison in Sansa's necklace goes against Littlefinger's motives.
Why would he wanna do that?
I think this is a big fuck up in the plot!
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On April 30 2014 20:05 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 18:44 kamicom wrote:
Why the fuck didn't the old lady just keep the poison on her. How unnecessarily convoluted was that weak ass assassination plot... that really pisses me off when i see shit writing like that. They better explain that shit. Especially after that complete plot hole with the white walkers not killing Sam and how Sam got past them to SOMEHOW make it back to the wall...
I mean it was pretty clearly to set up a scape goat
This. Sansa was obviously set up to take the blame and Tyrion with her.
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I know people in kings landing like to jump to conclusions but it's a big stretch. Hey guys if you look real closely there's a piece of sansa's necklace missing which obviously was where she hid the poison. A damaged necklace doesn't seem like very incriminating evidence to me. Sure it's suspicious because she gave the cup to tirion but who the hell could've predicted that joffrey would make tirion his cupbearer during the feast?
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On April 30 2014 20:21 urboss wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 20:05 brian wrote:On April 30 2014 18:44 kamicom wrote:
Why the fuck didn't the old lady just keep the poison on her. How unnecessarily convoluted was that weak ass assassination plot... that really pisses me off when i see shit writing like that. They better explain that shit. Especially after that complete plot hole with the white walkers not killing Sam and how Sam got past them to SOMEHOW make it back to the wall...
I mean it was pretty clearly to set up a scape goat If that was true, why would Littlefinger have her given the necklace in the first place? Remember, Littlefinger is only in it for Sansa. If Sansa gets blamed, he won't get her. Just in general hiding the poison in Sansa's necklace goes against Littlefinger's motives. Why would he wanna do that? I think this is a big fuck up in the plot!
Littlefinger is in it for everything, he said so himself. He did not just do this for Sansa
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