On February 11 2023 13:41 Jubinell wrote: Ep5 was decent. Perry at the end was ... lame. And how can people drive infected underground? Infected don't really follow instructions.
Yeah, the basic idea is good, force them to live in the underground and block the holes. That makes sense. With basic doors to close and hatches to latch, sure. But (and this is a nitpick), the moment they come screaching out in unison, after no previous hints, felt very forced.
Loooooovvveddddddd for the clickers to trickle out during that scene, where the forces have to sort of deal with them as Kathleen is giving her smackdown, and then realize the shooting is not stopping, and it's inevitable. The super big shift was just cute, just not hot.
On a serious note. Excellent acting by everyone, and I love the added backstories where a direct adaptation would not have covered. It was a badass episode.
On February 11 2023 13:41 Jubinell wrote: Ep5 was decent. Perry at the end was ... lame. And how can people drive infected underground? Infected don't really follow instructions.
Yeah, the basic idea is good, force them to live in the underground and block the holes. That makes sense. With basic doors to close and hatches to latch, sure. But (and this is a nitpick), the moment they come screaching out in unison, after no previous hints, felt very forced.
Loooooovvveddddddd for the clickers to trickle out during that scene, where the forces have to sort of deal with them as Kathleen is giving her smackdown, and then realize the shooting is not stopping, and it's inevitable. The super big shift was just cute, just not hot.
On a serious note. Excellent acting by everyone, and I love the added backstories where a direct adaptation would not have covered. It was a badass episode.
There was a hint in ep4 when the two go underground and see the ground falling apart. Kathleen goes "We'll deal with this later, don't tell anyone" or something to that effect. We as the audience knew something big was down there and they weren't being honest with everyone. As for driving the infected underground,well...if you have bait...
On February 11 2023 13:41 Jubinell wrote: Ep5 was decent. Perry at the end was ... lame. And how can people drive infected underground? Infected don't really follow instructions.
Yeah, the basic idea is good, force them to live in the underground and block the holes. That makes sense. With basic doors to close and hatches to latch, sure. But (and this is a nitpick), the moment they come screaching out in unison, after no previous hints, felt very forced.
Loooooovvveddddddd for the clickers to trickle out during that scene, where the forces have to sort of deal with them as Kathleen is giving her smackdown, and then realize the shooting is not stopping, and it's inevitable. The super big shift was just cute, just not hot.
On a serious note. Excellent acting by everyone, and I love the added backstories where a direct adaptation would not have covered. It was a badass episode.
There was a hint in ep4 when the two go underground and see the ground falling apart. Kathleen goes "We'll deal with this later, don't tell anyone" or something to that effect. We as the audience knew something big was down there and they weren't being honest with everyone. As for driving the infected underground,well...if you have bait...
It does seem a little questionable. If you have the capacity to drive them underground, it's a little weird that you don't have the capacity to just kill them instead of keeping them there. And if it's not about force it's about bait or something as you suggest, well, why don't they just overpower you and take everyone instead of just taking your bait?
On February 11 2023 13:41 Jubinell wrote: Ep5 was decent. Perry at the end was ... lame. And how can people drive infected underground? Infected don't really follow instructions.
Yeah, the basic idea is good, force them to live in the underground and block the holes. That makes sense. With basic doors to close and hatches to latch, sure. But (and this is a nitpick), the moment they come screaching out in unison, after no previous hints, felt very forced.
Loooooovvveddddddd for the clickers to trickle out during that scene, where the forces have to sort of deal with them as Kathleen is giving her smackdown, and then realize the shooting is not stopping, and it's inevitable. The super big shift was just cute, just not hot.
On a serious note. Excellent acting by everyone, and I love the added backstories where a direct adaptation would not have covered. It was a badass episode.
There was a hint in ep4 when the two go underground and see the ground falling apart. Kathleen goes "We'll deal with this later, don't tell anyone" or something to that effect. We as the audience knew something big was down there and they weren't being honest with everyone. As for driving the infected underground,well...if you have bait...
It does seem a little questionable. If you have the capacity to drive them underground, it's a little weird that you don't have the capacity to just kill them instead of keeping them there. And if it's not about force it's about bait or something as you suggest, well, why don't they just overpower you and take everyone instead of just taking your bait?
Depends on when they started using live humans as bait I suppose? Say you get a few early infected? You clear them but you suddenly have a lot more. You take some undesireable or whatever and toss them in a pit. Lure the infected to the pit. Then you close the pit. Or like they suggested, you lure them into the tunnels, close the tunnels. Those places where they stopped to rest? Completely empty, no sign of struggle. Means they probably fled in a hurry when the infected were sent to attack. Then you lock that area down and then drop more people further away, drawing them deeper into the system. Rinse and repeat until you effectively have a damn good size of the city without infected because they've been trapped underground and pushed out.
I don't know how you would though, it's trying to herd zombie cats. Normal cats are already a headache. Now they're zombie cats that are only reacting on instinct. Smell a free human lunch? Fuck the danger, go feast!
Yeah, btw does anybody think the actress portraying Kathleen is kinda weak? I mean she seems like a supporting actress in a grade-B sitcom. How can anybody with such a flaky personality lead the resistance and overcome FEDRA??
On February 13 2023 14:24 Jubinell wrote: Yeah, btw does anybody think the actress portraying Kathleen is kinda weak? I mean she seems like a supporting actress in a grade-B sitcom. How can anybody with such a flaky personality lead the resistance and overcome FEDRA??
. But prior to that, I'd agree. I wouldn't call it flaky so much as she isn't the leader they needed. She was focused on revenge instead of making sure they survived. That's how the ending of Kansas City started in the show lol
On February 13 2023 14:24 Jubinell wrote: Yeah, btw does anybody think the actress portraying Kathleen is kinda weak? I mean she seems like a supporting actress in a grade-B sitcom. How can anybody with such a flaky personality lead the resistance and overcome FEDRA??
Well... she was an actress in a shitty sitcom so you aren't wrong lol.
On February 13 2023 14:24 Jubinell wrote: Yeah, btw does anybody think the actress portraying Kathleen is kinda weak? I mean she seems like a supporting actress in a grade-B sitcom. How can anybody with such a flaky personality lead the resistance and overcome FEDRA??
. But prior to that, I'd agree. I wouldn't call it flaky so much as she isn't the leader they needed. She was focused on revenge instead of making sure they survived. That's how the ending of Kansas City started in the show lol
Actually I have few problems with the character per se. I have more problems with the way the actress acted and delivered that character to us. She doesn't really portray that vengeful, hateful woman. She talks more like a grown and oversized high-school cheerleader.
On February 13 2023 14:24 Jubinell wrote: Yeah, btw does anybody think the actress portraying Kathleen is kinda weak? I mean she seems like a supporting actress in a grade-B sitcom. How can anybody with such a flaky personality lead the resistance and overcome FEDRA??
. But prior to that, I'd agree. I wouldn't call it flaky so much as she isn't the leader they needed. She was focused on revenge instead of making sure they survived. That's how the ending of Kansas City started in the show lol
Actually I have few problems with the character per se. I have more problems with the way the actress acted and delivered that character to us. She doesn't really portray that vengeful, hateful woman. She talks more like a grown and oversized high-school cheerleader.
On February 13 2023 14:24 Jubinell wrote: Yeah, btw does anybody think the actress portraying Kathleen is kinda weak? I mean she seems like a supporting actress in a grade-B sitcom. How can anybody with such a flaky personality lead the resistance and overcome FEDRA??
. But prior to that, I'd agree. I wouldn't call it flaky so much as she isn't the leader they needed. She was focused on revenge instead of making sure they survived. That's how the ending of Kansas City started in the show lol
Actually I have few problems with the character per se. I have more problems with the way the actress acted and delivered that character to us. She doesn't really portray that vengeful, hateful woman. She talks more like a grown and oversized high-school cheerleader.
I watched it in German and it doesn't help that she has the same voice as Rose from Two and a Half Men :/
One shouldn't overthink how they managed to get the infected down there, this is a typical case of simply having to buy into a plot device. I agree though that the moment of them coming all out felt a little too forced, very videogamey (i have no idea how it was done in the game, as i have not played it), but it resulted in a fairly well executed, frantic action sequence i quite enjoyed (man that little girl infected in the car, very creepy). In regards to kathleen, the juxtaposition of her demeanor and what cruelties she is capable of is the whole point, she gets shit done because her empathy levels aren't particularly high and her sense of self righteous vengence moves in one direction only despite her soft spoken nature. I think that worked, even though i think the roadmovie nature of the plot simply didn't give her much time to make me care all that much about her motivation or character. Still, having her in the antagonistic position to the 'good guys' of henry and sam added some grey elements to it anyway, henry did what he had to do to save the one person he cared for, and the act of ratting out kathleen's brother can easily be argued to be a moral wrong. It's basic, but it works. Outside of that i thought the episode was very touching, the interpersonal character moments are the highlight of the show to me, the plot is a tad bit generic, but the execution through character dynamics is excellent so far.
Digging this so far, was apprehensive going in, not knowing the games and
Hope they keep the momentum up. Favourite show I’ve watched in a while.
I tend to agree to Kathleen’s character being that juxtaposition of a capacity for terrible cruelty alongside a relatively sunny and non-threatening demeanour.
This may be influenced by recognising the actress playing a broadly similar character in The Shield mind! Also would highly recommend that.
On February 13 2023 14:24 Jubinell wrote: Yeah, btw does anybody think the actress portraying Kathleen is kinda weak? I mean she seems like a supporting actress in a grade-B sitcom. How can anybody with such a flaky personality lead the resistance and overcome FEDRA??
. But prior to that, I'd agree. I wouldn't call it flaky so much as she isn't the leader they needed. She was focused on revenge instead of making sure they survived. That's how the ending of Kansas City started in the show lol
Actually I have few problems with the character per se. I have more problems with the way the actress acted and delivered that character to us. She doesn't really portray that vengeful, hateful woman. She talks more like a grown and oversized high-school cheerleader.
I can agree with that.
I don't think it was a character problem, revenge and power always go together. It is possible the actress was not the best choice or maybe just an oversight from the casting crew. For a 20+ years of post apocalyptic world where she was part of an underground resistance group her behavior and body type don't add up. Compared to Marlene or Tess she seemed out of place.
I think what they were trying to go for with Kathleen was Laurie from Euphoria. They have the same cadence, and when a character that was supposed to be working for her, dug into her supply this is what she has to say to her (see video). I really think they were trying to channel that type of character into Kathleen, but it didn't really work, but I see where they are coming from. The creators were trying to make an unassuming looking woman, who is surprisingly cut throat, sadly in the show it looks like she only earned that position by assuming her brother's position, not form her own merits. I think it is somewhat realistic have a person that you would assume to be sweet, be the most brutal and blunt person there is, but Euphoria did it better.
They should just have called this: Walking Dead Remastered. They pretty much ripped off the entire narrative style of the Walking Dead, but Walking Dead was so boring most people I talked to didn't finish watching all 10 seasons, and I am about to give up on this show as well. I'll grant it that so far the dialogues and characters are more believable than Walking Dead, but it's still all about a long trip to nowhere. The horror aspect gets parked on the back burner after episode 1, and is never let back out.
I'm assuming that S2 will still be the first game? Cause I don't think they are even halfway through the story, right? As I have never played the games.
As for the Walking Dead comparison no way lol the story actually makes sense, and seems plausible. Plus the effects aren't half ass. That and so far, there doesn't seem to be any major plot holes made by the writers compared to the Walking Dead.
I am already losing interest, this story is going nowhere and the one thing worth exploring (different ways people survive in extreme conditions) is already out of the equation. Last 2 chapters were specially cringe and full of nonsense. It doesn't help that at each corner I feel like I am being spoon fed an agenda either. In the end the only horror in this story comes from the uninfected.
On March 05 2023 18:24 Malongo wrote: I am already losing interest, this story is going nowhere and the one thing worth exploring (different ways people survive in extreme conditions) is already out of the equation. Last 2 chapters were specially cringe and full of nonsense. It doesn't help that at each corner I feel like I am being spoon fed an agenda either. In the end the only horror in this story comes from the uninfected.
And what agenda would that be? Apologies but that just doesn't make any sense? They show 2 gay episodes about VASTLY different reasons and endings and how they affected the main protags, and you think there's an agenda?
And that's the whole draw of TLoU. The uninfected are the horror. People doing terrible shit to survive. Only classic zombie films just shot hordes of them at you. These types of games are more psychological. They could go for the jump scare, but that's too easy. I'm not saying the show is perfect, it could definitely use more Clickers and I want to see more of the amazing costumes. But I also don't want Walking Dead 2.0 or Left 4 Dead: The Game.
Again, there's no agenda they are trying to shove down your throat. They could make it a lot worse in that regard, easily.
Some people are just trapped in their extremely conservative *cough* homophobic *cough* world view, any depiction which goes against heteronormativity at all is 'an agenda' being pushed. Quite sad that this is a talking point in 2023, but here we are. With that out of the way, i think the show itself has a plot which is very familiar / kinda generic, BUT the interhuman relationships it portrays are well developed and quite potent in their emotional resonance. That is why i keep watching, because i think the show does a lot of things right in depicting joel and ellie who both lose their defense mechanisms little by little, creating a father daughter relationship in a world where human connection is probably the only reason to even keep living. Is that simple? Sure, but it's imo the core of any good story, 'the human heart in conflict with itself'. Some people want zombie action (and tbf, i think it could deliver at leas a little more of that, or the threat level at the very least), and the show isn't really interested in that too much outside of using it for the psychological effects it has on these characters. TWD was a lot different, that was pure genre, TLOU is a human drama in a genre setting.
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