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Diamondback:
+ Show Spoiler +I agree that Diamondback's story didn't make much sense for the amount of hate he had for Cage. Striker went to jail and Carl got off because of his name, but why would that make him hate Carl so much unless he made some sort of deal to put Striker there and get himself off? Beyond that Diamondback was really unhinged which made it hard to believe he would be the one capable of the patience and planning necessary for setting up a frame job or leading a criminal organization. He was a shoot first, make plans later guy. He said buy from me or die at one point to all the crime boss heads, which made you wonder why he didn't just rob them/extort money out of them, rather than try to sell to them?
The non-combat focused scenes were mostly all great though. Great cast, interesting back stories and character development and well developed setting. Looking forward to Iron Fist.
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I've watched about half of it so far and I don't like it that much. Most characters, including Luke, seem super bland, the fight scenes are underwhelming and the whole thing feels forced and predictable.
About 10 times worse than Daredevil in about all categories imho. Hopefully the second half is better--for now I don't really understand the amount of good reviews it's receiving, though.
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If you didn't like the first 6-7 episodes, the remaining ones aren't likely to change your mind.
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I find catholic Batman to be a passable series, but the writing and grittiness sort of goes downhill the longer seasons go on. Season one did an ok job, but the “I need to be the man this city needs” lines were on thick and not at all self aware. JJ and Luke Cage are more aware of how silly this all is and take the time to poke a little fun at themselves. (“Killgrave? Really? MurderTomb was taken?”) I’m interested in DD season 3, but it is my least favorite of the Marvel TV shows.
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DD is more like a serious well made (super)hero TV show, something that shows like Arrow, Flash or Supergirl will like to be but have no chance of ever become.
JJ and now Luke Cage explore more how having powers affects you (JJ) or the community you live in (Luke Cage). And I love all 3 shows exactly because each of them give a different look at the same theme (people with powers).
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Season 2 of DD went off the rails after the Punisher plotline. And the shouting match on the roof top with gun duct taped to DDs hand was just silly. It had potential, but the entire argument was lost in the shouting. I still like DD, but the writing is the weakest of the three series right now. They seem to eager to ape the Frank Miller DD era, which is iconic, but dated. I would prefer to try to put a bit of their own stamp on it and find a bit more direction for the character.
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Didn't like DD season 2 as much as season 1 either. The writing was indeed worse and there were a bit too many wtf moments, especially involving The Hand or whatever it was called. Still far more enjoyable than LK to me though.
Feel like most of these shows' appeal is the characters, and mostly the bad ones, hence why Daredevil and especially season 1 are (to me) head and shoulders above all of the other superhero shows. Fisk, The Punisher, even Wesley are all fucking awesome and perfectly cast. Killgrave and Cottonmouth (dunno about Diamondback yet) seem to pale in comparison, both in terms of character depth and charisma. I mean, Killgrave's british accent made him look cool and all at first but I'm not a fan of what they did with him toward the end of the show.
As for the heroes themselves, whereas we have Matt's double life and JJ's general badassery, I fail to find a good reason to root for LK or even find him that likeable/interesting. Even his backstory seems poor. But again that is entirely subjective I suppose, and maybe the 2nd part of the season improves on that.
Looking forward to more fight scenes too--not the thing I find most important about these shows actually, but I've seen absolutely nothing memorable in the first 5-6 eps.
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On October 04 2016 01:30 Plansix wrote:
I find catholic Batman to be a passable series, but the writing and grittiness sort of goes downhill the longer seasons go on. Season one did an ok job, but the “I need to be the man this city needs” lines were on thick and not at all self aware. JJ and Luke Cage are more aware of how silly this all is and take the time to poke a little fun at themselves. (“Killgrave? Really? MurderTomb was taken?”) I’m interested in DD season 3, but it is my least favorite of the Marvel TV shows.
Killgrave is his real name in the comics. It's certainly a downgrade from "The Purple Man", which is the name that was much more commonly used in the comics.
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On October 04 2016 06:11 monk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 01:30 Plansix wrote:
I find catholic Batman to be a passable series, but the writing and grittiness sort of goes downhill the longer seasons go on. Season one did an ok job, but the “I need to be the man this city needs” lines were on thick and not at all self aware. JJ and Luke Cage are more aware of how silly this all is and take the time to poke a little fun at themselves. (“Killgrave? Really? MurderTomb was taken?”) I’m interested in DD season 3, but it is my least favorite of the Marvel TV shows. Killgrave is his real name in the comics. It's certainly a downgrade from "The Purple Man", which is the name that was much more commonly used in the comics.
I know. I’ve known about Jessica Jones for years and Killgrave is the most 90s ass stupid name. Purple Man is equally dumb. Its good they poke fun at it during the shows. Luke Cage does it too with the “Powerman” and him running around in his 70s disco themed costume in the prison break episode. Comic books are dumb and fun, which is why when source material is taken deadly serious, it often falls flat.
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Well, this show is worth watching for the music alone.
I'm just glad they didn't include any ninjas in this one. I hope they can minimize the ninja damage in the Iron Fist too (entire ninja plot line was seriously weak in DD and what's made half of the second season pretty much unwatchable).
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Saw the first episode, so I'm not reading any of the replies here, seems the same as Jessica Jones and Daredevil: great shows about really boring heroes.
What I will say, the music in this one, at least in episode one, was superbly cool.
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Watched the whole season last weekend and it was weird. It wasn't a bad series as such, it just lacked the charisma of Jessica Jones or Daredevil, especially in the form of the enemies. The motivation of all bad guys was pretty much "because we're black and we have to do it". The whole depth of their personality was also "I'm black". Might be that the actors were just not of the caliber of David Tennant's Kilgrave or Vincent D'Onofrio's Kingpin to make the characters believable or that the script was just too bad, I don't know.
I know Luke Cage used to be very much focused on racism in it's comic origin, but for the Netflix series either I'm too German/European to understand the black American culture or it was just too backwards stereotypical.
All in all it's pretty meh. Good for a binge watch but forgettable afterwards.
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On October 05 2016 06:32 DickMcFanny wrote:
Saw the first episode, so I'm not reading any of the replies here, seems the same as Jessica Jones and Daredevil: great shows about really boring heroes.
What I will say, the music in this one, at least in episode one, was superbly cool.
Well the people that find this boring got plenty of other "quality" shows that focus more on action like Arrow, Flash or Supergirl. I am sure Supergirl is not a boring hero.
Me, I will rather watch "boring" Netflix hero shows.
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It's just not nearly as good as any of the previous marvel tv series.
the overall story is too blend, the characters fall short including the villains.
there's just nothing that really stands out.
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Luke Cage feels like on of the most 'human' superhero
like JJ.
I'm fine with them using series to show those heroes while the films shows Hulk and the rest.
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On October 06 2016 18:42 Morfildur wrote:
Watched the whole season last weekend and it was weird. It wasn't a bad series as such, it just lacked the charisma of Jessica Jones or Daredevil, especially in the form of the enemies. The motivation of all bad guys was pretty much "because we're black and we have to do it". The whole depth of their personality was also "I'm black". Might be that the actors were just not of the caliber of David Tennant's Kilgrave or Vincent D'Onofrio's Kingpin to make the characters believable or that the script was just too bad, I don't know.
I know Luke Cage used to be very much focused on racism in it's comic origin, but for the Netflix series either I'm too German/European to understand the black American culture or it was just too backwards stereotypical.
All in all it's pretty meh. Good for a binge watch but forgettable afterwards.
For context, Luke Cage is a hero from the Blaxploitation era of US media. They were films made to cater to black audiences but grew in popularity across racial lines. They are filled with racial stereotypes, but also tapped into a lot of black culture, music and empowered a black actors of the era. Luke Cage was Marvel's attempt to tap into this market and the violence in inner cities a story line.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaxploitation
You are right that the story is stereotypical and filled with racial tropes. But Blaxploitation films and media seek to subvert those tropes. Like a gangster that is deeply invested in his community and also just wants to play piano. I do agree that some of the moments in Luke Cage don't work, but the series goes for it in a way that most TV shows don't even try. Luke charging into a building full of dudes with guns while listening to the Wu Tang Clan's Bring the Ruckus is a deep cut from black action movie loving culture(there is this awesome obsession in US black communities with bad Hong Kong action movies). And arguments about Bruce Lee vs Jet Lee is another thing you don't see in a lot of US media about blacks.
Personally, I was into all of it. I like TV shows that try hard and maybe slip up alittle. Its better than playing it safe.
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On October 08 2016 03:00 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 18:42 Morfildur wrote:
Watched the whole season last weekend and it was weird. It wasn't a bad series as such, it just lacked the charisma of Jessica Jones or Daredevil, especially in the form of the enemies. The motivation of all bad guys was pretty much "because we're black and we have to do it". The whole depth of their personality was also "I'm black". Might be that the actors were just not of the caliber of David Tennant's Kilgrave or Vincent D'Onofrio's Kingpin to make the characters believable or that the script was just too bad, I don't know.
I know Luke Cage used to be very much focused on racism in it's comic origin, but for the Netflix series either I'm too German/European to understand the black American culture or it was just too backwards stereotypical.
All in all it's pretty meh. Good for a binge watch but forgettable afterwards. For context, Luke Cage is a hero from the Blaxploitation era of US media. They were films made to cater to black audiences but grew in popularity across racial lines. They are filled with racial stereotypes, but also tapped into a lot of black culture, music and empowered a black actors of the era. Luke Cage was Marvel's attempt to tap into this market and the violence in inner cities a story line. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlaxploitationYou are right that the story is stereotypical and filled with racial tropes. But Blaxploitation films and media seek to subvert those tropes. Like a gangster that is deeply invested in his community and also just wants to play piano. I do agree that some of the moments in Luke Cage don't work, but the series goes for it in a way that most TV shows don't even try. Luke charging into a building full of dudes with guns while listening to the Wu Tang Clan's Bring the Ruckus is a deep cut from black action movie loving culture(there is this awesome obsession in US black communities with bad Hong Kong action movies). And arguments about Bruce Lee vs Jet Lee is another thing you don't see in a lot of US media about blacks. Personally, I was into all of it. I like TV shows that try hard and maybe slip up alittle. Its better than playing it safe.
I assume then that you have watched the beauty that is The Last Dragon
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On October 08 2016 03:18 Trainrunnef wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2016 03:00 Plansix wrote:On October 06 2016 18:42 Morfildur wrote:
Watched the whole season last weekend and it was weird. It wasn't a bad series as such, it just lacked the charisma of Jessica Jones or Daredevil, especially in the form of the enemies. The motivation of all bad guys was pretty much "because we're black and we have to do it". The whole depth of their personality was also "I'm black". Might be that the actors were just not of the caliber of David Tennant's Kilgrave or Vincent D'Onofrio's Kingpin to make the characters believable or that the script was just too bad, I don't know.
I know Luke Cage used to be very much focused on racism in it's comic origin, but for the Netflix series either I'm too German/European to understand the black American culture or it was just too backwards stereotypical.
All in all it's pretty meh. Good for a binge watch but forgettable afterwards. For context, Luke Cage is a hero from the Blaxploitation era of US media. They were films made to cater to black audiences but grew in popularity across racial lines. They are filled with racial stereotypes, but also tapped into a lot of black culture, music and empowered a black actors of the era. Luke Cage was Marvel's attempt to tap into this market and the violence in inner cities a story line. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlaxploitationYou are right that the story is stereotypical and filled with racial tropes. But Blaxploitation films and media seek to subvert those tropes. Like a gangster that is deeply invested in his community and also just wants to play piano. I do agree that some of the moments in Luke Cage don't work, but the series goes for it in a way that most TV shows don't even try. Luke charging into a building full of dudes with guns while listening to the Wu Tang Clan's Bring the Ruckus is a deep cut from black action movie loving culture(there is this awesome obsession in US black communities with bad Hong Kong action movies). And arguments about Bruce Lee vs Jet Lee is another thing you don't see in a lot of US media about blacks. Personally, I was into all of it. I like TV shows that try hard and maybe slip up alittle. Its better than playing it safe. I assume then that you have watched the beauty that is The Last Dragon
About +10 years ago when I was in college and I was pretty drunk. But I remember it being amazing and really long. I might have to rewatch that beautiful disaster.
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On October 04 2016 22:15 Manit0u wrote:
Well, this show is worth watching for the music alone.
I'm just glad they didn't include any ninjas in this one. I hope they can minimize the ninja damage in the Iron Fist too (entire ninja plot line was seriously weak in DD and what's made half of the second season pretty much unwatchable).
If you don't like 'ninja stuff' I'm not sure Iron Fist will be for you 
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On October 06 2016 23:35 ETisME wrote:
It's just not nearly as good as any of the previous marvel tv series.
the overall story is too blend, the characters fall short including the villains.
there's just nothing that really stands out.
Yep. Just finished watching it and (still) having the same feeling about it. Mediocre all around.
Diamondback especially was disappointing as fuck (when he appeared he seemed so generic I was actually pretty sure he was just a random guy sent by Diamondback). At least Stokes was kinda fun.
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