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freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
July 17 2009 17:48 GMT
#1461
I like theorycrafting about this retarded series

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And all is illuminated.
sk`
Profile Joined November 2008
Japan442 Posts
July 17 2009 17:49 GMT
#1462
On July 18 2009 01:02 suxN wrote:
people enjoy speculating aswell possibly even moreso than the actual reading
I clearly haven't reached that level of nerd yet... though I mostly follow manga trends due to work more than personal taste.

Though, I do love Mugen no Junin.
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
July 17 2009 18:25 GMT
#1463
On July 17 2009 19:24 Khyrandor wrote:
but in many more ways it doesn't make sense... nekoni from deviantArt wrote this
+ Show Spoiler +
If Danzo is Tobi, he's a master of the quick-change magic trick, and the sides of his face don't match. He also -clearly- is good at doing accents for having not been recognised by Kakashi and co back in their encounter in the woods. Or he could be pulling a henge on -all- the other ninja to create the variances in appearence. He also has an obsession with secret identities, and has some sort of neat little jutsu to replace his arm. And he also teleports to and fro between Konoha and Akatsuki constantly- but most importantly, after having been undercover in Konoha for -decades- running both root and Akatsuki? He's ordered Sasuke killed, as a threat to Konoha, TWICE, but wants Sasuke alive, AND told Sasuke to kill him (Danzo). o_O
Also, if Tobi is Madara and Danzo was Tobi, why in the world would he order the Uchiha clan to be killed? Madara was the leader of the Uchiha clan, if Tobi is Danzo and Danzo wanted to become Hokage, he wouldn't kill his own minions who were capable of fufilling the overthrow o___o See, there'd need to be a LOT of explaning for this theory to be true.


I love how everyone has these elaborate theories on why Tobi can't be Danzo which are all negated by Kagebunshin no Jutsu.
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snarl
Profile Joined July 2004
Canada812 Posts
July 17 2009 18:30 GMT
#1464
On July 18 2009 00:12 fanatacist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2009 23:23 snarl wrote:
Actually imo it makes sense:

+ Show Spoiler +
Madara didn't really "run" Akatsuki, Pain was doing that. He gave Pain intel but decision making was up to Pain afaik. For all we know Tobi is just an "image" projected by Madara/Danzo(Sasuke's attack went right through him).

Madara tells Sasuke where Danzo is and as a result Sasuke is heading toward the Kage meeting where he isn't exactly welcome. Sasuke is being manipulated by Madara, which is exactly what Itachi didn't want happen, hence him giving Sasuke Amaterasu. Right now Sasuke is walking into a big trap and his death will allow Madara to become the only Magekyou(control 9 tails) user left alive.

Madara also helped Itachi wipe out the Uchiha because he wanted revenge on those who didn't listen to his warnings about the Senju becoming too powerful. There was no way the planned Uchiha revolt was going to succeed, not with Itachi on the Village's side. Madara/Danzo becoming Hokage is just to control the hierarchy in Konoha so that he can monitor Naruto closely and ultimately take the 9 tails from him.

Madara is said to be the brains behind akatsuki all the way... If you notice, he was talking about how he planned to "use" Pain's ability. That does not come from someone who gave the steering wheel away. He was behind everything, directly or indirectly.

Madara is far more powerful than Sasuke, if he is indeed milking him for all his worth he would only send him where he is certain to win, and will just kill him when it is necessary. There is no use in sending Sasuke to his death. Also, Kakashi has Mangekyu sharingan, and I'm assuming Danzo does also since he is a powerful ninja.


My post was based on the belief that Madara=Danzo who we saw recently to only have 1 arm and 1 sharingan eye. I highly doubt in his current state Danzo is far more powerful than Sasuke which is why he is luring him to the Kage summit. That's also why he needs to get his hands on Orochimaru's work.. to heal himself to full strength. I also doubt Kakashi's MS can control the 9 tails since he isn't an Uchiha himself.
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
July 17 2009 18:44 GMT
#1465
On July 18 2009 03:30 snarl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2009 00:12 fanatacist wrote:
On July 17 2009 23:23 snarl wrote:
Actually imo it makes sense:

+ Show Spoiler +
Madara didn't really "run" Akatsuki, Pain was doing that. He gave Pain intel but decision making was up to Pain afaik. For all we know Tobi is just an "image" projected by Madara/Danzo(Sasuke's attack went right through him).

Madara tells Sasuke where Danzo is and as a result Sasuke is heading toward the Kage meeting where he isn't exactly welcome. Sasuke is being manipulated by Madara, which is exactly what Itachi didn't want happen, hence him giving Sasuke Amaterasu. Right now Sasuke is walking into a big trap and his death will allow Madara to become the only Magekyou(control 9 tails) user left alive.

Madara also helped Itachi wipe out the Uchiha because he wanted revenge on those who didn't listen to his warnings about the Senju becoming too powerful. There was no way the planned Uchiha revolt was going to succeed, not with Itachi on the Village's side. Madara/Danzo becoming Hokage is just to control the hierarchy in Konoha so that he can monitor Naruto closely and ultimately take the 9 tails from him.

Madara is said to be the brains behind akatsuki all the way... If you notice, he was talking about how he planned to "use" Pain's ability. That does not come from someone who gave the steering wheel away. He was behind everything, directly or indirectly.

Madara is far more powerful than Sasuke, if he is indeed milking him for all his worth he would only send him where he is certain to win, and will just kill him when it is necessary. There is no use in sending Sasuke to his death. Also, Kakashi has Mangekyu sharingan, and I'm assuming Danzo does also since he is a powerful ninja.


My post was based on the belief that Madara=Danzo who we saw recently to only have 1 arm and 1 sharingan eye. I highly doubt in his current state Danzo is far more powerful than Sasuke which is why he is luring him to the Kage summit. That's also why he needs to get his hands on Orochimaru's work.. to heal himself to full strength. I also doubt Kakashi's MS can control the 9 tails since he isn't an Uchiha himself.

I disagree with your premise, especially since there would be no reason for Danzo to have only 1 functional arm if Madara has both (which he does). Madara is clearly more powerful than Sasuke, and if you are saying that Danzo is Madara, he too is more powerful than Sasuke. I don't see how Orochimaru's work affects anything (I doubt it can be replicated, or would be, considering Madara is already so fucking old... he must have his own way of doing it), and I don't see any need to heal in this scenario once again because Madara/Danzo, if indeed they are one person, seem to be in very fit condition. Kakashi's weakness is not his inability to use the sharingan properly, it's his related stamina - Itachi mentioned this during their fight.
Peace~
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
July 17 2009 19:06 GMT
#1466
On July 17 2009 18:24 fanatacist wrote:
Kakashi gaiden was sooo good this is great news <3 Awesome.

The 4th is a beast we must see him asap.

I believe the chapters were like 73- or something? 53 maybe? Just google it.


This is my favorite part of the manga.
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cosiant
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada616 Posts
July 17 2009 19:23 GMT
#1467
Any speculations on how Kakashi got his mangekyou sharingan? Or was it already discussed?
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fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
July 17 2009 19:28 GMT
#1468
On July 18 2009 04:23 cosiant wrote:
Any speculations on how Kakashi got his mangekyou sharingan? Or was it already discussed?

Probably the same way other Sharingan users did... breaking some sort of emotional limit. Madara took his brother's eye(s?) if I'm not mistaken, Itachi killed his best friend and family, Sasuke got it from Itachi on top of the Amaterasu (iirc). It doesn't go in-depth about it but it was clearly difficult to obtain it because he did not have the greatest control of it when it was first shown, not sure about now.
Peace~
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
July 17 2009 20:00 GMT
#1469
The Kakashi story arc is 239-244.

It's actually interesting how Kakashi got the mangekyou sharingan because he specifically stated that he didn't really have anyone close to him anymore and when he said this, he didn't have it (this was right when Kakashi was talking to Sasuke before he was taken by the sound ninja).
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
July 17 2009 20:30 GMT
#1470
On July 18 2009 05:00 thunk wrote:
The Kakashi story arc is 239-244.

It's actually interesting how Kakashi got the mangekyou sharingan because he specifically stated that he didn't really have anyone close to him anymore and when he said this, he didn't have it (this was right when Kakashi was talking to Sasuke before he was taken by the sound ninja).


so did he get it between the end of the original naruto series and when he fought with the exploding clay guy?
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
July 17 2009 21:00 GMT
#1471
On July 18 2009 00:53 sk` wrote:
You can see Danzo has it in the latest volume. Either way, speculating on the future is silly. Just read and enjoy it.


where does it show him with mangekyu sharingan?
all it shows is him having a normal (but powerful) sharingan

I really doubt he has mangekyu sharingan
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
July 17 2009 21:10 GMT
#1472
On July 18 2009 05:30 freelander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2009 05:00 thunk wrote:
The Kakashi story arc is 239-244.

It's actually interesting how Kakashi got the mangekyou sharingan because he specifically stated that he didn't really have anyone close to him anymore and when he said this, he didn't have it (this was right when Kakashi was talking to Sasuke before he was taken by the sound ninja).


so did he get it between the end of the original naruto series and when he fought with the exploding clay guy?


Yea, I think he got it sometime in the 3 year time jump.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
HotZhot
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Colombia677 Posts
July 17 2009 21:26 GMT
#1473
Man, the manga is good, but the anime is absolute crap
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Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-18 01:51:40
July 18 2009 01:47 GMT
#1474
On July 18 2009 06:26 HotZhot wrote:
Man, the manga is good, but the anime is absolute crap


They are both pretty crap honestly.

Lately I feel like Naruto isn't going anywhere... like at all. There is so much useless backround information that never ever seems to become important.


Probably the same way other Sharingan users did... breaking some sort of emotional limit. Madara took his brother's eye(s?) if I'm not mistaken, Itachi killed his best friend and family, Sasuke got it from Itachi on top of the Amaterasu (iirc). It doesn't go in-depth about it but it was clearly difficult to obtain it because he did not have the greatest control of it when it was first shown, not sure about now.


Madara got the Mangekyou before he took his brother's eyes. He took his brother's eyes to gain the ETERNAL mangekyou sharingan. Both of the brothers had it first.

Itachi got his solely from killing his best friend and then commenced using its powers to kill the family.

Sasuke got his out of a freak plothole because Kishimoto hadn't been giving his Sasuke enough fellatio.

Kakashi had okay control with the Mangekyou but keep in mind that because of his lack of Uchiha blood the regular sharingan already drains him of huge amounts of chakra just by being active. Imagine how much chakra it takes to crunch a piece of space time in on itself AFTER spending all that chakra just activating the Mangekyou in the first place. It's safe to say a Kamui activation drains Kakashi of nearly all of his chakra.
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fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
July 18 2009 01:54 GMT
#1475
On July 18 2009 06:00 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2009 00:53 sk` wrote:
You can see Danzo has it in the latest volume. Either way, speculating on the future is silly. Just read and enjoy it.


where does it show him with mangekyu sharingan?
all it shows is him having a normal (but powerful) sharingan

I really doubt he has mangekyu sharingan

1. How do you know his sharingan is "powerful"? I think you have no basis there.

2. Why would you doubt his ability to have mangekyu sharingan? If Kakashi has it, and Danzo is supposedly stronger (I mean why else would he become Hokage?), why can't he have it?
Peace~
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
July 18 2009 02:10 GMT
#1476
On July 18 2009 10:54 fanatacist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2009 06:00 travis wrote:
On July 18 2009 00:53 sk` wrote:
You can see Danzo has it in the latest volume. Either way, speculating on the future is silly. Just read and enjoy it.


where does it show him with mangekyu sharingan?
all it shows is him having a normal (but powerful) sharingan

I really doubt he has mangekyu sharingan

1. How do you know his sharingan is "powerful"? I think you have no basis there.

2. Why would you doubt his ability to have mangekyu sharingan? If Kakashi has it, and Danzo is supposedly stronger (I mean why else would he become Hokage?), why can't he have it?


How do you know Danzo became Hokage due to any virtue of strength?

It was an emergency meeting where Danzo pretty much yelled and BAM became Hokage and I mean really... Kakashi is probably stronger than Tsunade in most categories that count yet she was Hokage.
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BisuBoi
Profile Joined February 2009
United States350 Posts
July 18 2009 02:48 GMT
#1477
I'm tired ofall the talking in Naruto. The fights just aren't the same anymore. I haven't been in love with Naruto since the goddamn Chuunin exams, yet I still watch the anime and read the manga religiously. FML. There are so many better animes out there, why does this anime have to be SO close to great, but turning out SO crap and obviously made to draw the series out? I always raved about how this show did everything right that DBZ did wrong, now it ended up exactly like DBZ. It's insulting how slow the pace is.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
July 18 2009 03:35 GMT
#1478
On July 18 2009 01:36 fanatacist wrote:
Does anyone else find it kind of annoying/shallow that EVERY character of any significance in the story follows the tragic hero archetype?


Ive always taken that as a symbol for how fucked up the ninja world is, soo many bad things/people have happened. Thats why Naruto is like a "revolution" to change their whole world so the tragic/fucked up shit won't be so prevalent. Thats why I think in the end he will be Hokage just to show that he is making good strides in that area.
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fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
July 18 2009 03:49 GMT
#1479
On July 18 2009 11:10 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2009 10:54 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 06:00 travis wrote:
On July 18 2009 00:53 sk` wrote:
You can see Danzo has it in the latest volume. Either way, speculating on the future is silly. Just read and enjoy it.


where does it show him with mangekyu sharingan?
all it shows is him having a normal (but powerful) sharingan

I really doubt he has mangekyu sharingan

1. How do you know his sharingan is "powerful"? I think you have no basis there.

2. Why would you doubt his ability to have mangekyu sharingan? If Kakashi has it, and Danzo is supposedly stronger (I mean why else would he become Hokage?), why can't he have it?


How do you know Danzo became Hokage due to any virtue of strength?

It was an emergency meeting where Danzo pretty much yelled and BAM became Hokage and I mean really... Kakashi is probably stronger than Tsunade in most categories that count yet she was Hokage.

Danzo wouldn't be anything if it wasn't for strength - his position with ROOT, the elders, etc. are all because of his abilities.

Tsunade revolutionized shinobi team organization, is older (more wise), has more brute strength, has unmatched healing ability. Kakashi is just a very strong Jounin.
Peace~
Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
July 18 2009 03:51 GMT
#1480
I've been thinking for like a year (since the Itachi part wrapped up) that Naruto just takes too long to develop for me to follow with any interest. I thought I'd enjoy it if I stopped reading for like a year and could then read 50 chapters in one go, but when Friday comes around I always have a bored moment and ruin that for myself T_T At least Bleach is highly interesting atm.
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