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On February 17 2014 23:22 OrchidThief wrote:
I feel like Doug is definitely dead and gone. Luckily there's a new guy there to replace him! I hope they don't spend too much effort on pursuing the Rachel story more, it's seemed to mainly exist for the latter part of the season to show Doug's stepwise mental breakdown.
Of course it's an important link to FU, but compared to all the other shit he's done, it seems like a minor thing to keep in the show.
I guess it depends on whether the writers choose to make Russo's death the cause of FU's eventual downfall. This may be tied to how well received is Rachel's character this season.
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On February 16 2014 08:57 Sermokala wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I don't think doug will die. It seems to be a pretty obvious reference to The west wing when leo had a heart attack at camp david but survived. It did lose a bit of steam in the last couple episodes and it got weird at points but I think that it still had decent enough momentum from the first 9 or so episodes.
+ Show Spoiler +He looked pretty dead, but I hope you're wrong as well. I also noticed the West Wing reference, even to the point that the president was off at camp, it might have been a little bit overkill.
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On February 18 2014 00:00 Serek wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 23:22 OrchidThief wrote:
I feel like Doug is definitely dead and gone. Luckily there's a new guy there to replace him! I hope they don't spend too much effort on pursuing the Rachel story more, it's seemed to mainly exist for the latter part of the season to show Doug's stepwise mental breakdown.
Of course it's an important link to FU, but compared to all the other shit he's done, it seems like a minor thing to keep in the show. I guess it depends on whether the writers choose to make Russo's death the cause of FU's eventual downfall. This may be tied to how well received is Rachel's character this season.
I hate that that's a thing. The writers shouldn't be influenced by whether or not people like a character not, they should just write the story they want to write. But you're right, whether they pursue that line or not has to tie in with whether Rachel becomes an important persona again.
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Wow! The second season is much much stronger than the first! I disliked how the first season felt obliged to mirror or analog the original series storyline, and I think the writers felt validated and free to explore the theme of how power affects all manner of relationships. Only on episode 11 of season 2 but it feels taut and interesting at all times.
Edit: ok just finished 11 and it's starting to fall off the rails a bit...
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The new season ended off kind of weak, which is kind of disappointing since the majority of it was very good and a lot better than the first in terms of pacing, even the season opener was incredibly strong when they killed off + Show Spoiler +, seemed like the writers were making a statement that they're not fucking around.
I'm hoping this doesn't become a series that drags on too long just for $ and is at least self-aware enough to know when it should end (like Breaking Bad).
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On February 17 2014 23:22 OrchidThief wrote:
I feel like Doug is definitely dead and gone. Luckily there's a new guy there to replace him! I hope they don't spend too much effort on pursuing the Rachel story more, it's seemed to mainly exist for the latter part of the season to show Doug's stepwise mental breakdown.
Of course it's an important link to FU, but compared to all the other shit he's done, it seems like a minor thing to keep in the show.
I think Rachel's character is of vital importance. Her existence is pretty much the only thing that can bring upon FU's downfall. Although, anyone who knows about her isn't looking for her anymore, and it is pretty hard to conceive how she could actually be used against him. Honestly, + Show Spoiler + might be helpful to FU in terms of him being the link to Rachel. Pretty sure + Show Spoiler + is dead.
Hmm, just remembered the hacker guy and Doug's conversation. I wonder how that'll work. If hacker guy gets desperate he might need to contact FU directly, but how do you get a hold of someone so high up? Guess he can figure it out.
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The hacker guy knows about rachel and will most likely use her to gain leverage to get himself out of his predicament and at the same time screw with Satan Frank Underwood.
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
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I thought the season started off with amazing energy but really slowed down as it went along. I really found myself not caring at all about Tusk/Remy/Jaqy/Doug and their stories after a while. Luckily by the end it tied it all together nicely and got back on track.
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In my mind S2 definitely went off the rails towards the end there...I don't remember S1 that well but I felt the show was meant to be 'above' a lot of the stuff it pulled in S2. Still a good show but for me it's no longer up there with the very best shows that have come out.
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Seing that I have been a Song of Ice and fire fan forever, and love is eternal, I can not say this is the best show (simply because I love the story too much, no matter how depicted).
But seeing that I usually despise political movies/series whatever, this one is certainly en par for my favourite number 1 show of all times.
That being said... what will happen to Frank in Season3? I mean, there is virtually no way for him to rise any higher. So I guess...
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+ Show Spoiler +Gotta be his downfall. At some point the shit has to hit the fan
Random thoughts:
3some? wtf?
also that erotic asphyxiation scene, so fucking random
and that lesbian scene, really unnecessary.
NO DOUGGGGGG
Why is the president such a retard?
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
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On February 19 2014 00:57 Zealously wrote:
Threesome? Really?
It's a Threechum
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Yea lol the Threechum seemed like wtf. Aren't there other secret service guys constantly watching them?
Just realized the series is called House of Cards. Those tend to completely collapse very easily.
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On February 18 2014 14:31 Jonoman92 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 23:22 OrchidThief wrote:
I feel like Doug is definitely dead and gone. Luckily there's a new guy there to replace him! I hope they don't spend too much effort on pursuing the Rachel story more, it's seemed to mainly exist for the latter part of the season to show Doug's stepwise mental breakdown.
Of course it's an important link to FU, but compared to all the other shit he's done, it seems like a minor thing to keep in the show. I think Rachel's character is of vital importance. Her existence is pretty much the only thing that can bring upon FU's downfall. Although, anyone who knows about her isn't looking for her anymore, and it is pretty hard to conceive how she could actually be used against him. Honestly, + Show Spoiler + might be helpful to FU in terms of him being the link to Rachel. Pretty sure + Show Spoiler + is dead. Hmm, just remembered the hacker guy and Doug's conversation. I wonder how that'll work. If hacker guy gets desperate he might need to contact FU directly, but how do you get a hold of someone so high up? Guess he can figure it out.
+ Show Spoiler +Problem is that the Hacker guy also gets burned if something happens.It's painful to the FBI right now but anything touching Frank is too painful for Frank to bear. I think Rachael and the wall street journal reporter will be key to everything collapsing.
My question is what does Frank want now that he's got his bone?
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Why is the president such a retard?
He's Tusk's (and possibly China's) puppet, this seemed to be the point that confused reviewers the most. Walker never had to earn the presidency, he's just there to give Tusk's company that bridge project and the rare earth metals they needed, along with anything else that came up.
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The final moments may have been the best of anything on television (or technically not) ever
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Thoughts:
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Season 2 was vastly inferior to Season 1. Zoe's killing was bad both from a character perspective and from a plot perspective; it was out of character for Frank, who then goes on to feel no remorse. He even feels remorse for Russo despite having a much weaker relationship with him. From the plot perspective, as people have already said it was a great character/storyline to just kill off. The followup storyline with Lucas was very linear and stupid.
The other frustrating thing, going hand-in-hand with Zoe's death, is how incredibly stupid everyone around Frank is. Zoe knew she was in danger, she was warned, yet she meets Frank in a location where she's just asking to be pushed onto the tracks. Lucas plays right into their hands, not watching his back or listening to any of the warnings given to him by the hacker. The president is an idiot, and the first lady even moreso. Almost all of the plot lines feel forced and incongruous, not at all like Season 1.
Lastly I just didn't buy the whole Tusk-as-villain role. He's nowhere in Season 1, yet in Season 2 he shows up in the white house regularly in meetings with other staff members. Also government-vs-business in such an obvious way is just not very interesting.
I got to Episode 8 and stopped. Very disappointed.
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The best moments were better and the worst moments were worse than in Season 1.
And there is still too much fucking, also a threesome(seemed totally unreal) and the lesbian scene which was unnecessary. Sigh.
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