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On September 14 2012 00:52 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 00:25 Fyrewolf wrote:On September 14 2012 00:15 Sentenal wrote:On September 14 2012 00:06 Fyrewolf wrote:On September 13 2012 22:39 Sentenal wrote:On September 13 2012 14:16 Fyrewolf wrote:
I kinda just mean gundam as generic giant robot, not specifically referring that show, probably should have just said that instead. Giant robots are such a huge turn off for me that I don't really, really, really don't like to watch any show that involves them. Evangelion makes them weird enough that they are tolerable for me and they don't fight other giant robots, but I just can't get into other shows at all, regardless of what I may be missing out on. I've seen an episode or two of some robot shows to see what they are about(including 0079 and gundam wing), but I just can't bring myself to care about those shows or their characters in the ones I've seen, except for in nge where they don't fight often and not against other robots and I actually like the characters(and their varying mental problems and varying success with coping methods).
So, as long as the robot is actually the MC's mother, unrealistic self-indulgent mecha fight scenes are okay? I pointed out twice that I only find it tolerable because they don't really fight other robots and the fights are weird enough that it doesn't feel like other mecha shows, both in execution and enemy and eva design. And since all that metal is armor/restraints over some sort of clone recreation of those enemies, it's actually not even a giant robot mecha show because the eva's aren't robots. Them not actually being robots is simply a plot device. Their use and portrayal in the show is exactly the same as how it is in any other mecha show. Out of curiosity, how many other mecha shows have you even seen? I have tried to watch 7 other mecha shows, never was able to get into the genre though and haven't seen any others all the way through. Since giant robots are such a huge turn off for me I have to really, really like the characters and story to be able to get into it, and I just haven't found any other mechas where that is the case. Have you tried Macross F or Macross Zero? I personally find the Macross universe of mecha to be memorable. Mostly since I actually like the music/characters. They could skip the mechas and it would improve. As for Evangelion, anybody else consider the spin off Re-Take After to be the best part of the series? It has one short NSFW scene, but otherwise it is better than the canon Eva stuff I've seen.
Thanks for the recommendation, I'll be sure to check it out. I've heard the name before(with a plus though), but I don't know more than that. It can be really hard to find a good show just by stumbling onto it, recommendations are always quite helpful.
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NGE is one of those series that, while a masterpiece, is a little hard to take in the further from when it originally aired. Its influence was so large on the Mecha genre (and the anime industry in general) that it changed the pretty much the entire male protagonist characterization for much of the next decade.
Which is kind of amazing as it was: Anno spending his entire budget by around episode 18, being in a serious depression and using cocaine, being a direct deconstruction of Mobile Suit Gundam & Amuro Ray and having possibly the least likable (but still realistic) main character presented in anime (at that point). And this series is still the most profitable franchise in anime history. Oh, how things go so strangely.
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watch it in english with english voices
the english dubbing is amazing and gives the characters their unique fantastic characterisation
10 years later you will hear their unique (english) voices and itll all come flooding back to you
they have unique accents that fit with and let you identify with the characters strongly
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On September 14 2012 00:40 Zergneedsfood wrote:
I'm with Sentenal on this. Watching Ikari Shinji was one of the most annoying experiences I've ever felt in anime. It's fine to have stories where the main character is thrust into a world that he doesn't want to be involved in and ends up having to deal with a lot of issues, psychological, physical, emotional, and there are probably a few good examples of this. But it's annoying as fuck when that character just acts like a retard.
I am pretty sure it was annoying for most of the viewers to watch shinji be a coward/bitch. What you guys fail to realize is that you can still respect and admire a show while not enjoying it. There are plenty of works (eva being one of them) where you basically would not watch it more than once because it just was not "enjoyable" but does that mean that it is bad/trash? of course not. Sent does not see that point and I find it funny when he tries so hard to convince himself/others that it is just straight up trash because he didn't like poor shinji being a scared little bitch the entire show instead of blossoming into a butterfly like in the other mecha shows he is used to.
I agree that I did not respect or like a single character in this show, but overall it made me think about shinji and why he was such a failure. But then you realize not everyone is a hero and some people just suck at life no matter what they do, and this is just one of those works that show that point. Why do you think Anno was surprised when he saw how popular it was? Because people don't enjoy stories about cowards but that does not mean they are not worthy of respect or recognition.
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Having just finished watching RahXephon last night, I was intrigued by the parallels between RahXephon andNGE. Both have similar themes, but the main difference was that I found that RahXephon wasNGE being done right; Ayato in the series actually resolves his personal issues in the end. My query to you guys is that is this sentiment generally accepted or am I just basing this off of my personal experience.
Spoiler alert
+ Show Spoiler +The one thing I didn't get yet is that why did Furugami shoot Lord Bahbem? Even if the system was completed and Ayato/Quon enter the tuning, what's the point to kill Lord Bahbem? was it just simply Furugami's job to assasinate the head of the Foundation, or am I missing something completely here?
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On September 14 2012 01:05 Fyrewolf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 00:52 Yurie wrote:On September 14 2012 00:25 Fyrewolf wrote:On September 14 2012 00:15 Sentenal wrote:On September 14 2012 00:06 Fyrewolf wrote:On September 13 2012 22:39 Sentenal wrote:On September 13 2012 14:16 Fyrewolf wrote:
I kinda just mean gundam as generic giant robot, not specifically referring that show, probably should have just said that instead. Giant robots are such a huge turn off for me that I don't really, really, really don't like to watch any show that involves them. Evangelion makes them weird enough that they are tolerable for me and they don't fight other giant robots, but I just can't get into other shows at all, regardless of what I may be missing out on. I've seen an episode or two of some robot shows to see what they are about(including 0079 and gundam wing), but I just can't bring myself to care about those shows or their characters in the ones I've seen, except for in nge where they don't fight often and not against other robots and I actually like the characters(and their varying mental problems and varying success with coping methods).
So, as long as the robot is actually the MC's mother, unrealistic self-indulgent mecha fight scenes are okay? I pointed out twice that I only find it tolerable because they don't really fight other robots and the fights are weird enough that it doesn't feel like other mecha shows, both in execution and enemy and eva design. And since all that metal is armor/restraints over some sort of clone recreation of those enemies, it's actually not even a giant robot mecha show because the eva's aren't robots. Them not actually being robots is simply a plot device. Their use and portrayal in the show is exactly the same as how it is in any other mecha show. Out of curiosity, how many other mecha shows have you even seen? I have tried to watch 7 other mecha shows, never was able to get into the genre though and haven't seen any others all the way through. Since giant robots are such a huge turn off for me I have to really, really like the characters and story to be able to get into it, and I just haven't found any other mechas where that is the case. Have you tried Macross F or Macross Zero? I personally find the Macross universe of mecha to be memorable. Mostly since I actually like the music/characters. They could skip the mechas and it would improve. As for Evangelion, anybody else consider the spin off Re-Take After to be the best part of the series? It has one short NSFW scene, but otherwise it is better than the canon Eva stuff I've seen. Thanks for the recommendation, I'll be sure to check it out. I've heard the name before(with a plus though), but I don't know more than that. It can be really hard to find a good show just by stumbling onto it, recommendations are always quite helpful.
Macross has something like 8 things in it. Macross plus is one of the various ones taking place in the universe. The most recent one is Macross F with its movies. Macross Zero is a prequel to the original Macross series and the second most recent entry into the universe.
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On September 14 2012 01:45 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 00:40 Zergneedsfood wrote:
I'm with Sentenal on this. Watching Ikari Shinji was one of the most annoying experiences I've ever felt in anime. It's fine to have stories where the main character is thrust into a world that he doesn't want to be involved in and ends up having to deal with a lot of issues, psychological, physical, emotional, and there are probably a few good examples of this. But it's annoying as fuck when that character just acts like a retard. I am pretty sure it was annoying for most of the viewers to watch shinji be a coward/bitch. What you guys fail to realize is that you can still respect and admire a show while not enjoying it. There are plenty of works (eva being one of them) where you basically would not watch it more than once because it just was not "enjoyable" but does that mean that it is bad/trash? of course not. Sent does not see that point and I find it funny when he tries so hard to convince himself/others that it is just straight up trash because he didn't like poor shinji being a scared little bitch the entire show instead of blossoming into a butterfly like in the other mecha shows he is used to. I agree that I did not respect or like a single character in this show, but overall it made me think about shinji and why he was such a failure. But then you realize not everyone is a hero and some people just suck at life no matter what they do, and this is just one of those works that show that point. Why do you think Anno was surprised when he saw how popular it was? Because people don't enjoy stories about cowards but that does not mean they are not worthy of respect or recognition.
Yeah, that's what normal people call "shit" or "terrible" or "garbage". Its not that I don't understand why people like it, or that I need to try and convince myself of anything. I know people like it. People also like Lucky Star. Some people like causing pain and harm to others. These people are also insane. Also, I would like it if you weren't so blatantly hostile towards me about this for virtually no reason other than having your anime insulted. Its like you are claiming intolerance on my part, and then say things like "Hes trying to convince himself and everyone else something is bad because HE doesn't like it". No, I actually lay out reasons why I think its bad. My opinion isn't the ultimate opinion, but my opinion is at least supported by my experience and interpretation of the show. Apparently you haven't even read my post, with that strawman argument of yours.
Anyway, why would you even need to think about Shinji and why hes such a failure? Isn't it a foregone conclusion at the start of any fiction what the "realistic" result of a show would be?
Also, copy/pasting a previous rant with edits isn't exactly "trying hard"
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I really enjoyed this series. After finish EoE I was on this maddening quest to understand exactly what happened at the end of the series. I remember running across the concept art for the live action movie in collaboration with WETA studios and even the Rebuild movies. It's wild to think that I thought the Rebuild movies were so far away in the future, and we're months away from the third iteration.
What I enjoy the most is how the series explores the nature of aliens, outerspace, human origin, religion, and after life. Even if its just a mess of crap meshed together, it's interesting.
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I used to watch a ot of anime back in the 90's but I always gave this series a pass. My friend who watched it was constantly going on about in a very bi-polar manner. "I love it!" one second and "Arrrgh its so fucking stupid" the next.
I felt like I didnt have it in me to get sucked into that but after reading the OP I have decided to go back and watch this bad boy. Now I just need to decide if I should watch the original or just start on the rebuild movies, they sound kinda sweet.
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On September 14 2012 01:30 FFGenerations wrote:
watch it in english with english voices
the english dubbing is amazing and gives the characters their unique fantastic characterisation
10 years later you will hear their unique (english) voices and itll all come flooding back to you
they have unique accents that fit with and let you identify with the characters strongly
;;. sorry.
i watched this series in english on DVD (from blockbuster lololol) when i was a kid and...
the original voices are just infinitely superior
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On September 14 2012 02:04 nemahsys wrote:
I used to watch a ot of anime back in the 90's but I always gave this series a pass. My friend who watched it was constantly going on about in a very bi-polar manner. "I love it!" one second and "Arrrgh its so fucking stupid" the next.
I felt like I didnt have it in me to get sucked into that but after reading the OP I have decided to go back and watch this bad boy. Now I just need to decide if I should watch the original or just start on the rebuild movies, they sound kinda sweet.
The rebuild movies seem to be a real sequel, rather than just a revamp of the series, so it might be better to first watch NGE and EoE and then continue with the movies.
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On September 14 2012 01:55 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 01:45 biology]major wrote:On September 14 2012 00:40 Zergneedsfood wrote:
I'm with Sentenal on this. Watching Ikari Shinji was one of the most annoying experiences I've ever felt in anime. It's fine to have stories where the main character is thrust into a world that he doesn't want to be involved in and ends up having to deal with a lot of issues, psychological, physical, emotional, and there are probably a few good examples of this. But it's annoying as fuck when that character just acts like a retard. I am pretty sure it was annoying for most of the viewers to watch shinji be a coward/bitch. What you guys fail to realize is that you can still respect and admire a show while not enjoying it. There are plenty of works (eva being one of them) where you basically would not watch it more than once because it just was not "enjoyable" but does that mean that it is bad/trash? of course not. Sent does not see that point and I find it funny when he tries so hard to convince himself/others that it is just straight up trash because he didn't like poor shinji being a scared little bitch the entire show instead of blossoming into a butterfly like in the other mecha shows he is used to. I agree that I did not respect or like a single character in this show, but overall it made me think about shinji and why he was such a failure. But then you realize not everyone is a hero and some people just suck at life no matter what they do, and this is just one of those works that show that point. Why do you think Anno was surprised when he saw how popular it was? Because people don't enjoy stories about cowards but that does not mean they are not worthy of respect or recognition. Yeah, that's what normal people call "shit" or "terrible" or "garbage". Its not that I don't understand why people like it, or that I need to try and convince myself of anything. I know people like it. People also like Lucky Star. Some people like causing pain and harm to others. These people are also insane. Also, I would like it if you weren't so blatantly hostile towards me about this for virtually no reason other than having your anime insulted. Its like you are claiming intolerance on my part, and then say things like "Hes trying to convince himself and everyone else something is bad because HE doesn't like it". No, I actually lay out reasons why I think its bad. My opinion isn't the ultimate opinion, but my opinion is at least supported by my experience and interpretation of the show. Apparently you haven't even read my post, with that strawman argument of yours. Anyway, why would you even need to think about Shinji and why hes such a failure? Isn't it a foregone conclusion at the start of any fiction what the "realistic" result of a show would be? Also, copy/pasting a previous rant with edits isn't exactly "trying hard"
You do seem to work hard as you have 10+ posts in this thread even though you don't like the show. You go at it heavy calling the characters sluts, autists, and sociopaths and now you indirectly call the series shit etc. You seem to be a try hard hater who can't stand that people like what you don't like.
What you consider to be nasty, retarded, unlikable, and terrible human beings in the anime i see as slightly to heavily fucked up people trying to cope. I found Gurren Lagann to be overrated shit, RahXephon was ugly animation wise and worse character wise. Opinions, eh?
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On September 14 2012 02:44 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 01:55 Sentenal wrote:On September 14 2012 01:45 biology]major wrote:On September 14 2012 00:40 Zergneedsfood wrote:
I'm with Sentenal on this. Watching Ikari Shinji was one of the most annoying experiences I've ever felt in anime. It's fine to have stories where the main character is thrust into a world that he doesn't want to be involved in and ends up having to deal with a lot of issues, psychological, physical, emotional, and there are probably a few good examples of this. But it's annoying as fuck when that character just acts like a retard. I am pretty sure it was annoying for most of the viewers to watch shinji be a coward/bitch. What you guys fail to realize is that you can still respect and admire a show while not enjoying it. There are plenty of works (eva being one of them) where you basically would not watch it more than once because it just was not "enjoyable" but does that mean that it is bad/trash? of course not. Sent does not see that point and I find it funny when he tries so hard to convince himself/others that it is just straight up trash because he didn't like poor shinji being a scared little bitch the entire show instead of blossoming into a butterfly like in the other mecha shows he is used to. I agree that I did not respect or like a single character in this show, but overall it made me think about shinji and why he was such a failure. But then you realize not everyone is a hero and some people just suck at life no matter what they do, and this is just one of those works that show that point. Why do you think Anno was surprised when he saw how popular it was? Because people don't enjoy stories about cowards but that does not mean they are not worthy of respect or recognition. Yeah, that's what normal people call "shit" or "terrible" or "garbage". Its not that I don't understand why people like it, or that I need to try and convince myself of anything. I know people like it. People also like Lucky Star. Some people like causing pain and harm to others. These people are also insane. Also, I would like it if you weren't so blatantly hostile towards me about this for virtually no reason other than having your anime insulted. Its like you are claiming intolerance on my part, and then say things like "Hes trying to convince himself and everyone else something is bad because HE doesn't like it". No, I actually lay out reasons why I think its bad. My opinion isn't the ultimate opinion, but my opinion is at least supported by my experience and interpretation of the show. Apparently you haven't even read my post, with that strawman argument of yours. Anyway, why would you even need to think about Shinji and why hes such a failure? Isn't it a foregone conclusion at the start of any fiction what the "realistic" result of a show would be? Also, copy/pasting a previous rant with edits isn't exactly "trying hard" You do seem to work hard as you have 10+ posts in this thread even though you don't like the show. You go at it heavy calling the characters sluts, autists, and sociopaths and now you indirectly call the series shit etc. You seem to be a try hard hater who can't stand that people like what you don't like. What you consider to be nasty, retarded, unlikable, and terrible human beings in the anime i see as slightly to heavily fucked up people trying to cope. I found Gurren Lagann to be overrated shit, RahXephon was ugly animation wise and worse character wise. Opinions, eh?
I'm sorry, I thought this was the Evangelion Discussion Thread, not the TL Evangelion Fanclub. Also, this isn't hard, lol
Saying they are "slightly to heavily fucked up people trying to cope" doesn't really change anything about what I've said. Thats just semantics. Gurren Lagann is overrated. Your opinions on RahXephon doesn't bother me in the least, and I respect your opinion although I disagree with it.
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On September 14 2012 03:01 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 02:44 karpo wrote:On September 14 2012 01:55 Sentenal wrote:On September 14 2012 01:45 biology]major wrote:On September 14 2012 00:40 Zergneedsfood wrote:
I'm with Sentenal on this. Watching Ikari Shinji was one of the most annoying experiences I've ever felt in anime. It's fine to have stories where the main character is thrust into a world that he doesn't want to be involved in and ends up having to deal with a lot of issues, psychological, physical, emotional, and there are probably a few good examples of this. But it's annoying as fuck when that character just acts like a retard. I am pretty sure it was annoying for most of the viewers to watch shinji be a coward/bitch. What you guys fail to realize is that you can still respect and admire a show while not enjoying it. There are plenty of works (eva being one of them) where you basically would not watch it more than once because it just was not "enjoyable" but does that mean that it is bad/trash? of course not. Sent does not see that point and I find it funny when he tries so hard to convince himself/others that it is just straight up trash because he didn't like poor shinji being a scared little bitch the entire show instead of blossoming into a butterfly like in the other mecha shows he is used to. I agree that I did not respect or like a single character in this show, but overall it made me think about shinji and why he was such a failure. But then you realize not everyone is a hero and some people just suck at life no matter what they do, and this is just one of those works that show that point. Why do you think Anno was surprised when he saw how popular it was? Because people don't enjoy stories about cowards but that does not mean they are not worthy of respect or recognition. Yeah, that's what normal people call "shit" or "terrible" or "garbage". Its not that I don't understand why people like it, or that I need to try and convince myself of anything. I know people like it. People also like Lucky Star. Some people like causing pain and harm to others. These people are also insane. Also, I would like it if you weren't so blatantly hostile towards me about this for virtually no reason other than having your anime insulted. Its like you are claiming intolerance on my part, and then say things like "Hes trying to convince himself and everyone else something is bad because HE doesn't like it". No, I actually lay out reasons why I think its bad. My opinion isn't the ultimate opinion, but my opinion is at least supported by my experience and interpretation of the show. Apparently you haven't even read my post, with that strawman argument of yours. Anyway, why would you even need to think about Shinji and why hes such a failure? Isn't it a foregone conclusion at the start of any fiction what the "realistic" result of a show would be? Also, copy/pasting a previous rant with edits isn't exactly "trying hard" You do seem to work hard as you have 10+ posts in this thread even though you don't like the show. You go at it heavy calling the characters sluts, autists, and sociopaths and now you indirectly call the series shit etc. You seem to be a try hard hater who can't stand that people like what you don't like. What you consider to be nasty, retarded, unlikable, and terrible human beings in the anime i see as slightly to heavily fucked up people trying to cope. I found Gurren Lagann to be overrated shit, RahXephon was ugly animation wise and worse character wise. Opinions, eh? I'm sorry, I thought this was the Evangelion Discussion Thread, not the TL Evangelion Fanclub. Also, this isn't hard, lol Saying they are "slightly to heavily fucked up people trying to cope" doesn't really change anything about what I've said. Thats just semantics. Gurren Lagann is overrated. Your opinions on RahXephon doesn't bother me in the least, and I respect your opinion although I disagree with it.
This is a discussion thread but the way you write doesn't promote discussion. You give no slack and use hyperbole to make your points. From the first rant you wrote it seems like you don't like the characters in the series, and that's fine. Simplifying it by calling them stuff like autistic, slutty, or retarded doesn't help. If you find characters unrelatable or even annoying, don't watch it. I, and many others, did find them relatable and even sympathetic at times so reading about how they are all retarded autistic crybabies doesn't do anything but inflame the discussion.
What i meant by bringing up those series is that not everyone can like everything, and the way you argue won't change anyones mind nor lead to a good discussion.
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whoa chill out, it's just an anime. I get that it's fun to rip on things you hate but... take a deep breath and realize winning an argument won't change anyone's opinion of the show or prove that anyone's right.
edit: disregard that, I forgot that this is the internet
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On September 14 2012 03:01 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 02:44 karpo wrote:On September 14 2012 01:55 Sentenal wrote:On September 14 2012 01:45 biology]major wrote:On September 14 2012 00:40 Zergneedsfood wrote:
I'm with Sentenal on this. Watching Ikari Shinji was one of the most annoying experiences I've ever felt in anime. It's fine to have stories where the main character is thrust into a world that he doesn't want to be involved in and ends up having to deal with a lot of issues, psychological, physical, emotional, and there are probably a few good examples of this. But it's annoying as fuck when that character just acts like a retard. I am pretty sure it was annoying for most of the viewers to watch shinji be a coward/bitch. What you guys fail to realize is that you can still respect and admire a show while not enjoying it. There are plenty of works (eva being one of them) where you basically would not watch it more than once because it just was not "enjoyable" but does that mean that it is bad/trash? of course not. Sent does not see that point and I find it funny when he tries so hard to convince himself/others that it is just straight up trash because he didn't like poor shinji being a scared little bitch the entire show instead of blossoming into a butterfly like in the other mecha shows he is used to. I agree that I did not respect or like a single character in this show, but overall it made me think about shinji and why he was such a failure. But then you realize not everyone is a hero and some people just suck at life no matter what they do, and this is just one of those works that show that point. Why do you think Anno was surprised when he saw how popular it was? Because people don't enjoy stories about cowards but that does not mean they are not worthy of respect or recognition. Yeah, that's what normal people call "shit" or "terrible" or "garbage". Its not that I don't understand why people like it, or that I need to try and convince myself of anything. I know people like it. People also like Lucky Star. Some people like causing pain and harm to others. These people are also insane. Also, I would like it if you weren't so blatantly hostile towards me about this for virtually no reason other than having your anime insulted. Its like you are claiming intolerance on my part, and then say things like "Hes trying to convince himself and everyone else something is bad because HE doesn't like it". No, I actually lay out reasons why I think its bad. My opinion isn't the ultimate opinion, but my opinion is at least supported by my experience and interpretation of the show. Apparently you haven't even read my post, with that strawman argument of yours. Anyway, why would you even need to think about Shinji and why hes such a failure? Isn't it a foregone conclusion at the start of any fiction what the "realistic" result of a show would be? Also, copy/pasting a previous rant with edits isn't exactly "trying hard" You do seem to work hard as you have 10+ posts in this thread even though you don't like the show. You go at it heavy calling the characters sluts, autists, and sociopaths and now you indirectly call the series shit etc. You seem to be a try hard hater who can't stand that people like what you don't like. What you consider to be nasty, retarded, unlikable, and terrible human beings in the anime i see as slightly to heavily fucked up people trying to cope. I found Gurren Lagann to be overrated shit, RahXephon was ugly animation wise and worse character wise. Opinions, eh? I'm sorry, I thought this was the Evangelion Discussion Thread, not the TL Evangelion Fanclub. Also, this isn't hard, lol Saying they are "slightly to heavily fucked up people trying to cope" doesn't really change anything about what I've said. Thats just semantics. Gurren Lagann is overrated. Your opinions on RahXephon doesn't bother me in the least, and I respect your opinion although I disagree with it.
pretty much all you've been posting is that you just "dont care" for the series, its plot or characters. what i dont get is why you seem to think you need to convince other people of this
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All I have to say right now is that without this show I wouldn't have my name, nor the disturbing attraction to crazy as fuck redheads.
Seriously this show changed my life as a miserable depressed 13 year old kid, after trying to watch it with my sister at age like 6, but she kept making me leave the room cause scary things were happening.
If you haven't just go watch the show start to finish and live the fucking dream.
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On September 14 2012 03:06 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 03:01 Sentenal wrote:On September 14 2012 02:44 karpo wrote:On September 14 2012 01:55 Sentenal wrote:On September 14 2012 01:45 biology]major wrote:On September 14 2012 00:40 Zergneedsfood wrote:
I'm with Sentenal on this. Watching Ikari Shinji was one of the most annoying experiences I've ever felt in anime. It's fine to have stories where the main character is thrust into a world that he doesn't want to be involved in and ends up having to deal with a lot of issues, psychological, physical, emotional, and there are probably a few good examples of this. But it's annoying as fuck when that character just acts like a retard. I am pretty sure it was annoying for most of the viewers to watch shinji be a coward/bitch. What you guys fail to realize is that you can still respect and admire a show while not enjoying it. There are plenty of works (eva being one of them) where you basically would not watch it more than once because it just was not "enjoyable" but does that mean that it is bad/trash? of course not. Sent does not see that point and I find it funny when he tries so hard to convince himself/others that it is just straight up trash because he didn't like poor shinji being a scared little bitch the entire show instead of blossoming into a butterfly like in the other mecha shows he is used to. I agree that I did not respect or like a single character in this show, but overall it made me think about shinji and why he was such a failure. But then you realize not everyone is a hero and some people just suck at life no matter what they do, and this is just one of those works that show that point. Why do you think Anno was surprised when he saw how popular it was? Because people don't enjoy stories about cowards but that does not mean they are not worthy of respect or recognition. Yeah, that's what normal people call "shit" or "terrible" or "garbage". Its not that I don't understand why people like it, or that I need to try and convince myself of anything. I know people like it. People also like Lucky Star. Some people like causing pain and harm to others. These people are also insane. Also, I would like it if you weren't so blatantly hostile towards me about this for virtually no reason other than having your anime insulted. Its like you are claiming intolerance on my part, and then say things like "Hes trying to convince himself and everyone else something is bad because HE doesn't like it". No, I actually lay out reasons why I think its bad. My opinion isn't the ultimate opinion, but my opinion is at least supported by my experience and interpretation of the show. Apparently you haven't even read my post, with that strawman argument of yours. Anyway, why would you even need to think about Shinji and why hes such a failure? Isn't it a foregone conclusion at the start of any fiction what the "realistic" result of a show would be? Also, copy/pasting a previous rant with edits isn't exactly "trying hard" You do seem to work hard as you have 10+ posts in this thread even though you don't like the show. You go at it heavy calling the characters sluts, autists, and sociopaths and now you indirectly call the series shit etc. You seem to be a try hard hater who can't stand that people like what you don't like. What you consider to be nasty, retarded, unlikable, and terrible human beings in the anime i see as slightly to heavily fucked up people trying to cope. I found Gurren Lagann to be overrated shit, RahXephon was ugly animation wise and worse character wise. Opinions, eh? I'm sorry, I thought this was the Evangelion Discussion Thread, not the TL Evangelion Fanclub. Also, this isn't hard, lol Saying they are "slightly to heavily fucked up people trying to cope" doesn't really change anything about what I've said. Thats just semantics. Gurren Lagann is overrated. Your opinions on RahXephon doesn't bother me in the least, and I respect your opinion although I disagree with it. This is a discussion thread but the way you write doesn't promote discussion. You give no slack and use hyperbole to make your points. From the first rant you wrote it seems like you don't like the characters in the series, and that's fine. Simplifying it by calling them stuff like autistic, slutty, or retarded doesn't help. If you find characters unrelatable or even annoying, don't watch it. I, and many others, did find them relatable and even sympathetic at times so reading about how they are all retarded autistic crybabies doesn't do anything but inflame the discussion. What i meant by bringing up those series is that not everyone can like everything, and the way you argue won't change anyones mind nor lead to a good discussion.
Where do you feel I used hyperbole in describing Evangelion?
Additionally, as I said in that first post, the show isn't entirely without merit, so I don't agree with your point of "You don't like the characters/plot so don't watch it!!" I highlighted parts I liked. Doesn't mean I have to like everything, or that I'm not allowed to talk about things I don't like about it. And it still really feels like you are just telling me to stop discussing Evangelion because my opinion is different from yours.......
On September 14 2012 03:20 a176 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 03:01 Sentenal wrote:On September 14 2012 02:44 karpo wrote:On September 14 2012 01:55 Sentenal wrote:On September 14 2012 01:45 biology]major wrote:On September 14 2012 00:40 Zergneedsfood wrote:
I'm with Sentenal on this. Watching Ikari Shinji was one of the most annoying experiences I've ever felt in anime. It's fine to have stories where the main character is thrust into a world that he doesn't want to be involved in and ends up having to deal with a lot of issues, psychological, physical, emotional, and there are probably a few good examples of this. But it's annoying as fuck when that character just acts like a retard. I am pretty sure it was annoying for most of the viewers to watch shinji be a coward/bitch. What you guys fail to realize is that you can still respect and admire a show while not enjoying it. There are plenty of works (eva being one of them) where you basically would not watch it more than once because it just was not "enjoyable" but does that mean that it is bad/trash? of course not. Sent does not see that point and I find it funny when he tries so hard to convince himself/others that it is just straight up trash because he didn't like poor shinji being a scared little bitch the entire show instead of blossoming into a butterfly like in the other mecha shows he is used to. I agree that I did not respect or like a single character in this show, but overall it made me think about shinji and why he was such a failure. But then you realize not everyone is a hero and some people just suck at life no matter what they do, and this is just one of those works that show that point. Why do you think Anno was surprised when he saw how popular it was? Because people don't enjoy stories about cowards but that does not mean they are not worthy of respect or recognition. Yeah, that's what normal people call "shit" or "terrible" or "garbage". Its not that I don't understand why people like it, or that I need to try and convince myself of anything. I know people like it. People also like Lucky Star. Some people like causing pain and harm to others. These people are also insane. Also, I would like it if you weren't so blatantly hostile towards me about this for virtually no reason other than having your anime insulted. Its like you are claiming intolerance on my part, and then say things like "Hes trying to convince himself and everyone else something is bad because HE doesn't like it". No, I actually lay out reasons why I think its bad. My opinion isn't the ultimate opinion, but my opinion is at least supported by my experience and interpretation of the show. Apparently you haven't even read my post, with that strawman argument of yours. Anyway, why would you even need to think about Shinji and why hes such a failure? Isn't it a foregone conclusion at the start of any fiction what the "realistic" result of a show would be? Also, copy/pasting a previous rant with edits isn't exactly "trying hard" You do seem to work hard as you have 10+ posts in this thread even though you don't like the show. You go at it heavy calling the characters sluts, autists, and sociopaths and now you indirectly call the series shit etc. You seem to be a try hard hater who can't stand that people like what you don't like. What you consider to be nasty, retarded, unlikable, and terrible human beings in the anime i see as slightly to heavily fucked up people trying to cope. I found Gurren Lagann to be overrated shit, RahXephon was ugly animation wise and worse character wise. Opinions, eh? I'm sorry, I thought this was the Evangelion Discussion Thread, not the TL Evangelion Fanclub. Also, this isn't hard, lol Saying they are "slightly to heavily fucked up people trying to cope" doesn't really change anything about what I've said. Thats just semantics. Gurren Lagann is overrated. Your opinions on RahXephon doesn't bother me in the least, and I respect your opinion although I disagree with it. pretty much all you've been posting is that you just "dont care" for the series, its plot or characters. what i dont get is why you seem to think you need to convince other people of this
You people really can't stand the fact that someone in this discussion thread doesn't like the show, lol
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On September 14 2012 03:44 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 03:06 karpo wrote:On September 14 2012 03:01 Sentenal wrote:On September 14 2012 02:44 karpo wrote:On September 14 2012 01:55 Sentenal wrote:On September 14 2012 01:45 biology]major wrote:On September 14 2012 00:40 Zergneedsfood wrote:
I'm with Sentenal on this. Watching Ikari Shinji was one of the most annoying experiences I've ever felt in anime. It's fine to have stories where the main character is thrust into a world that he doesn't want to be involved in and ends up having to deal with a lot of issues, psychological, physical, emotional, and there are probably a few good examples of this. But it's annoying as fuck when that character just acts like a retard. I am pretty sure it was annoying for most of the viewers to watch shinji be a coward/bitch. What you guys fail to realize is that you can still respect and admire a show while not enjoying it. There are plenty of works (eva being one of them) where you basically would not watch it more than once because it just was not "enjoyable" but does that mean that it is bad/trash? of course not. Sent does not see that point and I find it funny when he tries so hard to convince himself/others that it is just straight up trash because he didn't like poor shinji being a scared little bitch the entire show instead of blossoming into a butterfly like in the other mecha shows he is used to. I agree that I did not respect or like a single character in this show, but overall it made me think about shinji and why he was such a failure. But then you realize not everyone is a hero and some people just suck at life no matter what they do, and this is just one of those works that show that point. Why do you think Anno was surprised when he saw how popular it was? Because people don't enjoy stories about cowards but that does not mean they are not worthy of respect or recognition. Yeah, that's what normal people call "shit" or "terrible" or "garbage". Its not that I don't understand why people like it, or that I need to try and convince myself of anything. I know people like it. People also like Lucky Star. Some people like causing pain and harm to others. These people are also insane. Also, I would like it if you weren't so blatantly hostile towards me about this for virtually no reason other than having your anime insulted. Its like you are claiming intolerance on my part, and then say things like "Hes trying to convince himself and everyone else something is bad because HE doesn't like it". No, I actually lay out reasons why I think its bad. My opinion isn't the ultimate opinion, but my opinion is at least supported by my experience and interpretation of the show. Apparently you haven't even read my post, with that strawman argument of yours. Anyway, why would you even need to think about Shinji and why hes such a failure? Isn't it a foregone conclusion at the start of any fiction what the "realistic" result of a show would be? Also, copy/pasting a previous rant with edits isn't exactly "trying hard" You do seem to work hard as you have 10+ posts in this thread even though you don't like the show. You go at it heavy calling the characters sluts, autists, and sociopaths and now you indirectly call the series shit etc. You seem to be a try hard hater who can't stand that people like what you don't like. What you consider to be nasty, retarded, unlikable, and terrible human beings in the anime i see as slightly to heavily fucked up people trying to cope. I found Gurren Lagann to be overrated shit, RahXephon was ugly animation wise and worse character wise. Opinions, eh? I'm sorry, I thought this was the Evangelion Discussion Thread, not the TL Evangelion Fanclub. Also, this isn't hard, lol Saying they are "slightly to heavily fucked up people trying to cope" doesn't really change anything about what I've said. Thats just semantics. Gurren Lagann is overrated. Your opinions on RahXephon doesn't bother me in the least, and I respect your opinion although I disagree with it. This is a discussion thread but the way you write doesn't promote discussion. You give no slack and use hyperbole to make your points. From the first rant you wrote it seems like you don't like the characters in the series, and that's fine. Simplifying it by calling them stuff like autistic, slutty, or retarded doesn't help. If you find characters unrelatable or even annoying, don't watch it. I, and many others, did find them relatable and even sympathetic at times so reading about how they are all retarded autistic crybabies doesn't do anything but inflame the discussion. What i meant by bringing up those series is that not everyone can like everything, and the way you argue won't change anyones mind nor lead to a good discussion. Where do you feel I used hyperbole in describing Evangelion? Additionally, as I said in that first post, the show isn't entirely without merit, so I don't agree with your point of "You don't like the characters/plot so don't watch it!!" I highlighted parts I liked. Doesn't mean I have to like everything, or that I'm not allowed to talk about things I don't like about it. And it still really feels like you are just telling me to stop discussing Evangelion because my opinion is different from yours....... Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 03:20 a176 wrote:On September 14 2012 03:01 Sentenal wrote:On September 14 2012 02:44 karpo wrote:On September 14 2012 01:55 Sentenal wrote:On September 14 2012 01:45 biology]major wrote:On September 14 2012 00:40 Zergneedsfood wrote:
I'm with Sentenal on this. Watching Ikari Shinji was one of the most annoying experiences I've ever felt in anime. It's fine to have stories where the main character is thrust into a world that he doesn't want to be involved in and ends up having to deal with a lot of issues, psychological, physical, emotional, and there are probably a few good examples of this. But it's annoying as fuck when that character just acts like a retard. I am pretty sure it was annoying for most of the viewers to watch shinji be a coward/bitch. What you guys fail to realize is that you can still respect and admire a show while not enjoying it. There are plenty of works (eva being one of them) where you basically would not watch it more than once because it just was not "enjoyable" but does that mean that it is bad/trash? of course not. Sent does not see that point and I find it funny when he tries so hard to convince himself/others that it is just straight up trash because he didn't like poor shinji being a scared little bitch the entire show instead of blossoming into a butterfly like in the other mecha shows he is used to. I agree that I did not respect or like a single character in this show, but overall it made me think about shinji and why he was such a failure. But then you realize not everyone is a hero and some people just suck at life no matter what they do, and this is just one of those works that show that point. Why do you think Anno was surprised when he saw how popular it was? Because people don't enjoy stories about cowards but that does not mean they are not worthy of respect or recognition. Yeah, that's what normal people call "shit" or "terrible" or "garbage". Its not that I don't understand why people like it, or that I need to try and convince myself of anything. I know people like it. People also like Lucky Star. Some people like causing pain and harm to others. These people are also insane. Also, I would like it if you weren't so blatantly hostile towards me about this for virtually no reason other than having your anime insulted. Its like you are claiming intolerance on my part, and then say things like "Hes trying to convince himself and everyone else something is bad because HE doesn't like it". No, I actually lay out reasons why I think its bad. My opinion isn't the ultimate opinion, but my opinion is at least supported by my experience and interpretation of the show. Apparently you haven't even read my post, with that strawman argument of yours. Anyway, why would you even need to think about Shinji and why hes such a failure? Isn't it a foregone conclusion at the start of any fiction what the "realistic" result of a show would be? Also, copy/pasting a previous rant with edits isn't exactly "trying hard" You do seem to work hard as you have 10+ posts in this thread even though you don't like the show. You go at it heavy calling the characters sluts, autists, and sociopaths and now you indirectly call the series shit etc. You seem to be a try hard hater who can't stand that people like what you don't like. What you consider to be nasty, retarded, unlikable, and terrible human beings in the anime i see as slightly to heavily fucked up people trying to cope. I found Gurren Lagann to be overrated shit, RahXephon was ugly animation wise and worse character wise. Opinions, eh? I'm sorry, I thought this was the Evangelion Discussion Thread, not the TL Evangelion Fanclub. Also, this isn't hard, lol Saying they are "slightly to heavily fucked up people trying to cope" doesn't really change anything about what I've said. Thats just semantics. Gurren Lagann is overrated. Your opinions on RahXephon doesn't bother me in the least, and I respect your opinion although I disagree with it. pretty much all you've been posting is that you just "dont care" for the series, its plot or characters. what i dont get is why you seem to think you need to convince other people of this You people really can't stand the fact that someone in this discussion thread doesn't like the show, lol
Lets provide some quotes from you about Evangelion that i consider to be hyperbole and not constructive:
So which did you guys like more, the kid jacking off on a comatose girl in the hopsital, or everyone turning into tang after being assaulted by albino midgets?
Simplified. I actually liked the jacking off scene as it was daring and showed how a mentally unstable "virgin" kid acted like i think many would do in his situation. Is it messed up? Yeah, but that's the premise of the series. People in the series are somewhat broken (already been explained) and live under constant unnatural pressure.
Earth is under attack, an organization of crazy scientists puts together a 3-man team of young people to fight them. The final part, the part that "makes Evangelion Evangelion", the part that makes the anime what it is, is all the mental drama of the characters. And this is the part that makes it crap. Shinji's character, his mental state, and everything annoying about him that makes me hate him as a character, is a central, driving force of the plot. Not only that, the same could be said of all the other characters. There isn't a single, likable character in the entire cast. Asuka, Rei, Misato, Gendo, you name it, they are all horrible characters, all of them are either autists, sluts, or sociopaths (or a combination). People will tell me "Well, thats the point". Well, okay, good job, Evangelion, you made your point, and it sucks.
You hate him as a character, your opinion and it seems to not be shared with alot of people here. You call all characters horrible. You then call them autist, sluts, and sociopaths (this is hyperbole as most of them have reasons for what they do).
Is it enjoyable to watch a group of autistic kids and sociopaths fight to save the world, and ultimately turn everyone into tang? Personally, I'd say no. Clearly, people disagree. But I didn't get any pleasure watching that, or watching the story of a bunch of people who I can't stand for 26 episodes and a movie.
So your opinion is that you can't stand the characters and you don't get pleasure watching the series. Why are you discussing something you dislike? I don't spend time in a Breaking Bad thread just because i dislike the show characters. It's a waste of time. Again with the autist/sociopath bullshit.
What is so stimulating watching Shinji jack off on Asuka, or everyone in the world being turned into Tang? Is it stimulating because "Well, if a kid like Shinji was actually put into this situation, this is a realistic portrayal of the out-come"? And this is supposed to be stimulating my mind?
Your personal opinion is that it's not stimulating or good. My opinion is different and that's not going to change. I already covered the jacking off as you mentioned it more than once.
Before people bust out the strawman on me, I'm not saying something like "The anime has to be like Gurren Lagann to be enjoyable!!" or "The main character has to be a hot blooded badass!", or anything like that. But there has to be SOMETHING in Evangelion to make you care. In the end, do you care about any of these characters, that the series has gone to extreme lengths to show you how much of a terrible human being each and every one of them is? If not, why would you care about anything that happens in the anime? So, like I said, there has to be SOMETHING to make me care, and in Evangelion's case, occasional cool battles isn't enough.
You don't care because you see the characters as terrible human beings. I don't as i see them as flawed persons doing stuff that both suits their characters and makes for a good movie/series.
Your argument can mostly be condensed to:
"I hate the characters which means i hate the show."
You can't really present a more biased and personal opinion which means everyone else that don't agree couldn't give a shit. If you presented plot holes or inconsistencies i might be interested. Now you present your personal opinion on the characters, something i, and many others, couldn't give 2 shits about.
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