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On September 13 2012 16:09 RockIronrod wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 16:02 Irratonalys wrote:Keep in mind, this is all conjecture from my own theories and lengthy discussion of the fever dream that is EoE with my brother, all from years ago so I might've got some shit wrong. Its much better to just discuss the original series ending , because Hideako Anno just wrote EoE after receiving death threads. The original series ending is the one that Anno actually intended. And dont get me started on that Money-grabbing Rebuild ****, Gainax is selling out the franchise with that. Also Gainax is pretty much dead, all the original owners and producers have already left, most to a new studio. Rebuild is the new studio's way of getting off the ground, and retelling the story in a way that isn't riddled with depression.
Wow I just love it when people talk out their asses about things they have no idea about.
Gainax is one of the most successful modern production studios, with recent commercial successes like Gunbuster vs Daibuster, Gurren Lagann, Panty and Stocking and This Ugly Yet Beautiful World. The current president of the company is Yamaga Hiroyuki, one of the original founding members; other founding members still on staff include Anno, Sadamoto and Higuchi. Sure is all the original owners and producers leaving the company with the new studio completely destroyed.
Oh wait.
The one thing you're right about is that the original ending is a byproduct of his depression and Gainax failing because Eva didn't make any money until about 3 months after it's release when it became a cult hit and then later started selling well in the general market.
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On September 13 2012 16:59 Flonomenalz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 16:51 acker wrote:On September 13 2012 16:49 Flonomenalz wrote:
NGE definitely changed the anime industry though, although... I'm not exactly sure it was for the better. It drove FLCL and TTGL. That's good enough for me. Especially FLCL. + Show Spoiler +
On the other hand, I hate directors who make Ayanami expies without thought or care to the actual character. So many...
I think FLCL is the greatest anime of all time. And I agree with your spoiler completely. Just like the directors that make standard tsunderes for the sake of tsun tsun dere dere -____-
Truth be told, no reason to continue talking about NGE, this topic should be about FLCL 
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On September 13 2012 16:33 Lord Zeya wrote:
I have yet to watch Rebuild, is it better/worse than original series?
Is it for the fans, or to remake the series in a more honest and effective way?
Rebuild is different. I absolutely love the first two rebuild films, but in a different way than the series.
The series is much more of an animated psychoanalysis, while the films are pretty much films. They still have the great characters (though there is by far not enough time to develop them as much as in the series), but the story feels like the main focus of the films.
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On September 13 2012 17:20 Zetter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 16:33 Lord Zeya wrote:
I have yet to watch Rebuild, is it better/worse than original series?
Is it for the fans, or to remake the series in a more honest and effective way? Rebuild is different. I absolutely love the first two rebuild films, but in a different way than the series. The series is much more of an animated psychoanalysis, while the films are pretty much films. They still have the great characters (though there is by far not enough time to develop them as much as in the series), but the story feels like the main focus of the films.
Again Rebuild is a sequal. Not a remake. Its assumed you watched the tv series where they did all the character development
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One of the most mindfucking things I have ever read as a manga as a 11 or 13 year old. I don't remember which one but fuck this scared me to pieces watching the show and it really really made me think about how everyone could be taken apart pieec by piece and completely smashed to pieces.
It still scares me, the black scene where each of the characters gets deconstructed as you call it little by little, one by one is one of the few things which would really hurt my stomache to rewatch.
even as I say that, I would definitly recommend everyone.
I know that I definitly could sympathize with alot of the characters angst and misery, even if it was exxagerated from what I knew of from my own experiences.
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On September 13 2012 17:25 Tabbris wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 17:20 Zetter wrote:On September 13 2012 16:33 Lord Zeya wrote:
I have yet to watch Rebuild, is it better/worse than original series?
Is it for the fans, or to remake the series in a more honest and effective way? Rebuild is different. I absolutely love the first two rebuild films, but in a different way than the series. The series is much more of an animated psychoanalysis, while the films are pretty much films. They still have the great characters (though there is by far not enough time to develop them as much as in the series), but the story feels like the main focus of the films. Again Rebuild is a sequal. Not a remake. Its assumed you watched the tv series where they did all the character development
Does that make it any different?
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Wow I didn't know there was an eva thread on TL  I've always entertained the idea that Rebuild could be a sequel, and there are clues that seem to indicate such in the Rebuild films, but is this actually confirmed at the moment or just conjecture?
Also FWIW, I wrote at length about the two Rebuild films comparing it with the original in my blog, so I'm gonna shamelessly plug it here in the hopes that it will be relevant to all your interests:
First film
Second film
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On September 13 2012 17:33 moofang wrote:Wow I didn't know there was an eva thread on TL I've always entertained the idea that Rebuild could be a sequel, and there are clues that seem to indicate such in the Rebuild films, but is this actually confirmed at the moment or just conjecture? Also FWIW, I wrote at length about the two Rebuild films comparing it with the original in my blog, so I'm gonna shamelessly plug it here in the hopes that it will be relevant to all your interests: First filmSecond film
On September 13 2012 16:59 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 16:49 Tabbris wrote:On September 13 2012 16:40 Gamegene wrote:On September 13 2012 16:38 Tabbris wrote:On September 13 2012 16:33 Lord Zeya wrote:
I have yet to watch Rebuild, is it better/worse than original series?
Is it for the fans, or to remake the series in a more honest and effective way? Umm. I think rebuild is alot better. I liked both original and rebuild but hadcore fans of the original tend not to like rebuild because shinji is less of a pussy + Show Spoiler + You cannot Redo ^^ don't open this if you haven't watched Rebuild 2.0+ Show Spoiler +check and mate
/a/non says yes
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On September 13 2012 17:36 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 17:33 moofang wrote:Wow I didn't know there was an eva thread on TL I've always entertained the idea that Rebuild could be a sequel, and there are clues that seem to indicate such in the Rebuild films, but is this actually confirmed at the moment or just conjecture? Also FWIW, I wrote at length about the two Rebuild films comparing it with the original in my blog, so I'm gonna shamelessly plug it here in the hopes that it will be relevant to all your interests: First filmSecond film Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 16:59 Gamegene wrote:On September 13 2012 16:49 Tabbris wrote:On September 13 2012 16:40 Gamegene wrote:On September 13 2012 16:38 Tabbris wrote:On September 13 2012 16:33 Lord Zeya wrote:
I have yet to watch Rebuild, is it better/worse than original series?
Is it for the fans, or to remake the series in a more honest and effective way? Umm. I think rebuild is alot better. I liked both original and rebuild but hadcore fans of the original tend not to like rebuild because shinji is less of a pussy + Show Spoiler + You cannot Redo ^^ don't open this if you haven't watched Rebuild 2.0+ Show Spoiler +check and mate /a/non says yes
pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft.
If you actually read an Eva thread on /a/ or read a thread on 2ch you'd know it's not a for sure thing. There's a lot of debate on it. There's an archive on foolz of someone doing a really long debunk of that picture you posted, the only thing he couldn't explain was the homolust guy's this time and again, and just that doesn't prove anything. It's likely that movie 3 will confirm one way or another. The only thing for sure is that Anno is still a nutjob.
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On September 13 2012 17:41 Kaal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 17:36 Gamegene wrote:On September 13 2012 17:33 moofang wrote:Wow I didn't know there was an eva thread on TL I've always entertained the idea that Rebuild could be a sequel, and there are clues that seem to indicate such in the Rebuild films, but is this actually confirmed at the moment or just conjecture? Also FWIW, I wrote at length about the two Rebuild films comparing it with the original in my blog, so I'm gonna shamelessly plug it here in the hopes that it will be relevant to all your interests: First filmSecond film On September 13 2012 16:59 Gamegene wrote:On September 13 2012 16:49 Tabbris wrote:On September 13 2012 16:40 Gamegene wrote:On September 13 2012 16:38 Tabbris wrote:On September 13 2012 16:33 Lord Zeya wrote:
I have yet to watch Rebuild, is it better/worse than original series?
Is it for the fans, or to remake the series in a more honest and effective way? Umm. I think rebuild is alot better. I liked both original and rebuild but hadcore fans of the original tend not to like rebuild because shinji is less of a pussy + Show Spoiler + You cannot Redo ^^ don't open this if you haven't watched Rebuild 2.0+ Show Spoiler +check and mate /a/non says yes pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft. If you actually read an Eva thread on /a/ or read a thread on 2chan you'd know it's not a for sure thing. There's a lot of debate on it. There's an archive on foolz of someone doing a really long debunk of that picture you posted, the only thing he couldn't explain was the homolust guy's this time and again, and just that doesn't prove anything. It's likely that movie 3 will confirm one way or another.
+ Show Spoiler +it's kind of blatant when you have a new Lillith, and then the original series's Lilith on the moon... where a random bloodstain happens to be. Plus there are subtle hints are freaking everywhere. The soundtrack for Rebuild has the original Rei themes labeled as Rei IV and Rei V
Also:
+ Show Spoiler +say hi the original Unit 01 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/v2Wkd.jpg)
Of course Anno can always troll the fuck out of all of us -_-
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I have the box nr. 0732 out of 2999 of the limited remastered DVD release over ten years ago.
I watched it four or five time since. I never got it fully. Still I don't know if I should watch a new version of NGE because it could destroy my understanding so far of the original series.
Some question:
- Has Maya any backstory?
- Who actually shot Kaji?
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I think some people give NGE way too much credit. Some of the symbolism and names really don't mean much of anything; don't make too much of the plot either.
The real successes come from the visual composition and pacing (at times, and even in spite of—or because of?—the budget issues). There are some moments and ideas that are on a level far above most shows, but it's not like that all the time.
For example, the scene with + Show Spoiler +Asuka and Rei in the elevator (in the series) saying nothing, with the tension building for over half a minute
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I've never watched the series/movie/remakes etc in their entirety and from all the summaries I've read, I probably would get just pissed off and annoyed by the kind of character approach taken. However, reading up and watching random clips was pretty interesting. Whether or not it's legitimate some of the random theories and little descriptions can be quite interesting to read, though it's probably best I limit it to just clips, plot summaries, and discussions.
From what I watched, I'd agree that the kind of visual styles and short-term pacing seem to be quite good (at least in small doses).
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On September 13 2012 17:41 Kaal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 17:36 Gamegene wrote:On September 13 2012 17:33 moofang wrote:Wow I didn't know there was an eva thread on TL I've always entertained the idea that Rebuild could be a sequel, and there are clues that seem to indicate such in the Rebuild films, but is this actually confirmed at the moment or just conjecture? Also FWIW, I wrote at length about the two Rebuild films comparing it with the original in my blog, so I'm gonna shamelessly plug it here in the hopes that it will be relevant to all your interests: First filmSecond film On September 13 2012 16:59 Gamegene wrote:On September 13 2012 16:49 Tabbris wrote:On September 13 2012 16:40 Gamegene wrote:On September 13 2012 16:38 Tabbris wrote:On September 13 2012 16:33 Lord Zeya wrote:
I have yet to watch Rebuild, is it better/worse than original series?
Is it for the fans, or to remake the series in a more honest and effective way? Umm. I think rebuild is alot better. I liked both original and rebuild but hadcore fans of the original tend not to like rebuild because shinji is less of a pussy + Show Spoiler + You cannot Redo ^^ don't open this if you haven't watched Rebuild 2.0+ Show Spoiler +check and mate /a/non says yes pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft. If you actually read an Eva thread on /a/ or read a thread on 2ch you'd know it's not a for sure thing. There's a lot of debate on it. There's an archive on foolz of someone doing a really long debunk of that picture you posted, the only thing he couldn't explain was the homolust guy's this time and again, and just that doesn't prove anything. It's likely that movie 3 will confirm one way or another. The only thing for sure is that Anno is still a nutjob.
How was it debunked? There are alot of things that scream sequal. This is the first time I saw that image but you can tell just by watching 2.0 that its probably a sequal.Its pretty Anooish
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On September 13 2012 17:56 [F_]aths wrote:
I have the box nr. 0732 out of 2999 of the limited remastered DVD release over ten years ago.
I watched it four or five time since. I never got it fully. Still I don't know if I should watch a new version of NGE because it could destroy my understanding so far of the original series.
Some question:
- Has Maya any backstory?
- Who actually shot Kaji?
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ilR3i.jpg)
Unfortunately, Maya has not received any proper characterization like the rest of her fellow bridge bunnies. Besides being infatuated with Ritsuko (shown during Third Impact), she's just a girl who looks like Shinji.
It was once a popular theory that Misato killed Kaji, but Anno himself denied it. Most likely, it was just a special agent under NERV from intellegence, although the manga (which itself is a different continuity) has Gendo shooting him.
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On September 13 2012 17:11 Kaal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 16:09 RockIronrod wrote:On September 13 2012 16:02 Irratonalys wrote:Keep in mind, this is all conjecture from my own theories and lengthy discussion of the fever dream that is EoE with my brother, all from years ago so I might've got some shit wrong. Its much better to just discuss the original series ending , because Hideako Anno just wrote EoE after receiving death threads. The original series ending is the one that Anno actually intended. And dont get me started on that Money-grabbing Rebuild ****, Gainax is selling out the franchise with that. Also Gainax is pretty much dead, all the original owners and producers have already left, most to a new studio. Rebuild is the new studio's way of getting off the ground, and retelling the story in a way that isn't riddled with depression. Wow I just love it when people talk out their asses about things they have no idea about. Gainax is one of the most successful modern production studios, with recent commercial successes like Gunbuster vs Daibuster, Gurren Lagann, Panty and Stocking and This Ugly Yet Beautiful World. The current president of the company is Yamaga Hiroyuki, one of the original founding members; other founding members still on staff include Anno, Sadamoto and Higuchi. Sure is all the original owners and producers leaving the company with the new studio completely destroyed. Oh wait. The one thing you're right about is that the original ending is a byproduct of his depression and Gainax failing because Eva didn't make any money until about 3 months after it's release when it became a cult hit and then later started selling well in the general market.
The last original thing (read: not based on a manga, light novel or video game not produced by Gainax) was Panty & Stocking, 2 years ago. Gurren Lagann was 2007, This Ugly Yet Beautiful world was 2004, and Gunbuster vs Diebuster was 2006. You've got a really weird definition of "recent." The only thing they're doing right now is a Medaka Box adaption.
Anno resigned from Gainax in 2007. Sadamoto and Higuchi both left with him and are now part of his new Studio Khara, which is collaborating with Gainax for the Rebuild movies. Hiroyuki is the only remaining founder, and he is by far the least capable out of all of them in my opinion, though that's completely based on that one episode of TTGL he directed.
I love Gainax, it's the studio that's created like, 5 out of my top 10 animes, but it's not what it used to be.
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On September 13 2012 18:03 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 17:56 [F_]aths wrote:
I have the box nr. 0732 out of 2999 of the limited remastered DVD release over ten years ago.
I watched it four or five time since. I never got it fully. Still I don't know if I should watch a new version of NGE because it could destroy my understanding so far of the original series.
Some question:
- Has Maya any backstory?
- Who actually shot Kaji? Unfortunately, Maya has not received any proper characterization like the rest of her fellow bridge bunnies. Besides being infatuated with Ritsuko (shown during Third Impact), she's just a girl who looks like Shinji. It was once a popular theory that Misato killed Kaji, but Anno himself denied it. Most likely, it was just a special agent under NERV from intellegence, although the manga (which itself is a different continuity) has Gendo shooting him.
Maya's character is a bit unclear to me because I guess only hand-picked personell is allowed to be in the center of NERV operation; the other characters have a background which explains why they fight the angels.
Speaking of bunnies, I don't know if I am supposed to find Rei hot. Before her origin was revealed (was it?) I considered her the hottie of the series. The scene where Shinji visited her and saw her underwear in the room, was interpreted by me this way: "Shinji is a boy but now learns about the sex appeal of woman." Later I strongly believed that Rei is his sister, giving that scene a bit more strangeness. But then I got trolled.
The killing of Kaji puzzles me because he greeted his killer. It is unclear for me what does it mean. Did he consider him (or her?) a friend and was killed in cold blood, or did he knew that he stepped over a line and needs to be killed so that his kind greeting was to say "no hard feelings, I know you must kill me". For me, this question is even more important than to know who actually shot him.
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On September 13 2012 18:33 RockIronrod wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 17:11 Kaal wrote:On September 13 2012 16:09 RockIronrod wrote:On September 13 2012 16:02 Irratonalys wrote:Keep in mind, this is all conjecture from my own theories and lengthy discussion of the fever dream that is EoE with my brother, all from years ago so I might've got some shit wrong. Its much better to just discuss the original series ending , because Hideako Anno just wrote EoE after receiving death threads. The original series ending is the one that Anno actually intended. And dont get me started on that Money-grabbing Rebuild ****, Gainax is selling out the franchise with that. Also Gainax is pretty much dead, all the original owners and producers have already left, most to a new studio. Rebuild is the new studio's way of getting off the ground, and retelling the story in a way that isn't riddled with depression. Wow I just love it when people talk out their asses about things they have no idea about. Gainax is one of the most successful modern production studios, with recent commercial successes like Gunbuster vs Daibuster, Gurren Lagann, Panty and Stocking and This Ugly Yet Beautiful World. The current president of the company is Yamaga Hiroyuki, one of the original founding members; other founding members still on staff include Anno, Sadamoto and Higuchi. Sure is all the original owners and producers leaving the company with the new studio completely destroyed. Oh wait. The one thing you're right about is that the original ending is a byproduct of his depression and Gainax failing because Eva didn't make any money until about 3 months after it's release when it became a cult hit and then later started selling well in the general market. The last original thing (read: not based on a manga, light novel or video game not produced by Gainax) was Panty & Stocking, 2 years ago. Gurren Lagann was 2007, This Ugly Yet Beautiful world was 2004, and Gunbuster vs Diebuster was 2006. You've got a really weird definition of "recent." The only thing they're doing right now is a Medaka Box adaption. Anno resigned from Gainax in 2007. Sadamoto and Higuchi both left with him and are now part of his new Studio Khara, which is collaborating with Gainax for the Rebuild movies. Hiroyuki is the only remaining founder, and he is by far the least capable out of all of them in my opinion, though that's completely based on that one episode of TTGL he directed. I love Gainax, it's the studio that's created like, 5 out of my top 10 animes, but it's not what it used to be.
There are a LOT of studios that haven't made any money and barely stay afloat for the past ten years when the first anime bubble popped, Gainax has had a lot of success and managed to more than stay afloat. They have the majority of their resources focused on Rebuild so yes they haven't put out a whole lot other than the TTGL movie and a couple normal cour shows with little production value. Anno, Sadamoto and Higuchi are all working on Rebuild with Khara but it's basically a Gainax sub-studio at this point so I don't really see the argument. Sure, technically they're not working with Gainax but, semantics.
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On September 13 2012 18:41 [F_]aths wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 18:03 Gamegene wrote:On September 13 2012 17:56 [F_]aths wrote:
I have the box nr. 0732 out of 2999 of the limited remastered DVD release over ten years ago.
I watched it four or five time since. I never got it fully. Still I don't know if I should watch a new version of NGE because it could destroy my understanding so far of the original series.
Some question:
- Has Maya any backstory?
- Who actually shot Kaji? Unfortunately, Maya has not received any proper characterization like the rest of her fellow bridge bunnies. Besides being infatuated with Ritsuko (shown during Third Impact), she's just a girl who looks like Shinji. It was once a popular theory that Misato killed Kaji, but Anno himself denied it. Most likely, it was just a special agent under NERV from intellegence, although the manga (which itself is a different continuity) has Gendo shooting him. Maya's character is a bit unclear to me because I guess only hand-picked personell is allowed to be in the center of NERV operation; the other characters have a background which explains why they fight the angels. Speaking of bunnies, I don't know if I am supposed to find Rei hot. Before her origin was revealed (was it?) I considered her the hottie of the series. The scene where Shinji visited her and saw her underwear in the room, I interpreted it this way: "Shinji is a boy but now learns about the sex appeal of woman." Later I strongly believed that Rei is his sister, giving that scene a bit more strangeness. But then I got trolled. The killing of Kaji puzzles me because he greeted his killer. It is unclear for me what does it mean. Did he consider him (or her?) a friend and was killed in cold blood, or did he knew that he stepped over a line and needs to be killed so that his kind greeting was to say "no hard feelings, I know you must kill me". For me, this question is even more important than to know who actually shot him.
Anno originally intended for Rei to be a terrifying character in the series, and for audiences to be repulsed by the fact that she is a half human, salvaged from Yui Ikari's remains, the mother of Shinji.
Instead she is one of the most popular characters with numerous anime series blatantly copying her design and quiet perseonality and many fans infatuated with her (she has the most figurine sales of all the Evangelion characters, including the Evas themselves).
I think that you hit it dead on the money, I think Kaji was smart enough to know that he had dug too deep, and had already buried himself in a hole. His personality leads you to believe that he would accept and even welcome death, especially once he learns what Seele intended to do to overcome and master it.
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On September 13 2012 17:41 Kaal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 17:36 Gamegene wrote:On September 13 2012 17:33 moofang wrote:Wow I didn't know there was an eva thread on TL I've always entertained the idea that Rebuild could be a sequel, and there are clues that seem to indicate such in the Rebuild films, but is this actually confirmed at the moment or just conjecture? Also FWIW, I wrote at length about the two Rebuild films comparing it with the original in my blog, so I'm gonna shamelessly plug it here in the hopes that it will be relevant to all your interests: First filmSecond film On September 13 2012 16:59 Gamegene wrote:On September 13 2012 16:49 Tabbris wrote:On September 13 2012 16:40 Gamegene wrote:On September 13 2012 16:38 Tabbris wrote:On September 13 2012 16:33 Lord Zeya wrote:
I have yet to watch Rebuild, is it better/worse than original series?
Is it for the fans, or to remake the series in a more honest and effective way? Umm. I think rebuild is alot better. I liked both original and rebuild but hadcore fans of the original tend not to like rebuild because shinji is less of a pussy + Show Spoiler + You cannot Redo ^^ don't open this if you haven't watched Rebuild 2.0+ Show Spoiler +check and mate /a/non says yes pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft. If you actually read an Eva thread on /a/ or read a thread on 2ch you'd know it's not a for sure thing. There's a lot of debate on it. There's an archive on foolz of someone doing a really long debunk of that picture you posted, the only thing he couldn't explain was the homolust guy's this time and again, and just that doesn't prove anything. It's likely that movie 3 will confirm one way or another. The only thing for sure is that Anno is still a nutjob.
its pretty likely, given gainaxs history for tweests
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