On September 13 2012 17:56 [F_]aths wrote: I have the box nr. 0732 out of 2999 of the limited remastered DVD release over ten years ago.
I watched it four or five time since. I never got it fully. Still I don't know if I should watch a new version of NGE because it could destroy my understanding so far of the original series.
Some question:
- Has Maya any backstory?
- Who actually shot Kaji?
Unfortunately, Maya has not received any proper characterization like the rest of her fellow bridge bunnies. Besides being infatuated with Ritsuko (shown during Third Impact), she's just a girl who looks like Shinji.
It was once a popular theory that Misato killed Kaji, but Anno himself denied it. Most likely, it was just a special agent under NERV from intellegence, although the manga (which itself is a different continuity) has Gendo shooting him.
Maya's character is a bit unclear to me because I guess only hand-picked personell is allowed to be in the center of NERV operation; the other characters have a background which explains why they fight the angels.
Speaking of bunnies, I don't know if I am supposed to find Rei hot. Before her origin was revealed (was it?) I considered her the hottie of the series. The scene where Shinji visited her and saw her underwear in the room, I interpreted it this way: "Shinji is a boy but now learns about the sex appeal of woman." Later I strongly believed that Rei is his sister, giving that scene a bit more strangeness. But then I got trolled.
The killing of Kaji puzzles me because he greeted his killer. It is unclear for me what does it mean. Did he consider him (or her?) a friend and was killed in cold blood, or did he knew that he stepped over a line and needs to be killed so that his kind greeting was to say "no hard feelings, I know you must kill me". For me, this question is even more important than to know who actually shot him.
Anno originally intended for Rei to be a terrifying character in the series, and for audiences to be repulsed by the fact that she is a half human, salvaged from Yui Ikari's remains, the mother of Shinji.
Hell, just listen to her leitmoif.
It's clear that there's a very disturbing, and even alien presence in it. It's quite unnatural.
NGE was actually the first series that got me into watching anime (at least that I knew was an anime). Of course I watched DBZ and the likes when I was a lot younger, but that seemed different.
I remember about 10+ years back they had anime nights on some TV channel here (VOX, for the germans) and I always stayed up late up to 3-4 am to watch. They even showed the animes in japanese with german subtitles. That's when I saw NGE and was fascinated by it. Also saw stuff like Record of Lodoss War and Blue Submarine No.6. there...
I fondly remember watching the last episodes while I was pretty sleepy and I was totally confused.
Since then I enjoy a lot of stuff made by Gainax (KareKano, Mahoromatic, Otaku no video, FLCL, etc.)
Keep in mind, this is all conjecture from my own theories and lengthy discussion of the fever dream that is EoE with my brother, all from years ago so I might've got some shit wrong.
Its much better to just discuss the original series ending , because Hideako Anno just wrote EoE after receiving death threads. The original series ending is the one that Anno actually intended. And dont get me started on that Money-grabbing Rebuild ****, Gainax is selling out the franchise with that.
Also Gainax is pretty much dead, all the original owners and producers have already left, most to a new studio. Rebuild is the new studio's way of getting off the ground, and retelling the story in a way that isn't riddled with depression.
Wow I just love it when people talk out their asses about things they have no idea about.
Gainax is one of the most successful modern production studios, with recent commercial successes like Gunbuster vs Daibuster, Gurren Lagann, Panty and Stocking and This Ugly Yet Beautiful World. The current president of the company is Yamaga Hiroyuki, one of the original founding members; other founding members still on staff include Anno, Sadamoto and Higuchi. Sure is all the original owners and producers leaving the company with the new studio completely destroyed.
Oh wait.
The one thing you're right about is that the original ending is a byproduct of his depression and Gainax failing because Eva didn't make any money until about 3 months after it's release when it became a cult hit and then later started selling well in the general market.
The last original thing (read: not based on a manga, light novel or video game not produced by Gainax) was Panty & Stocking, 2 years ago. Gurren Lagann was 2007, This Ugly Yet Beautiful world was 2004, and Gunbuster vs Diebuster was 2006. You've got a really weird definition of "recent." The only thing they're doing right now is a Medaka Box adaption. Anno resigned from Gainax in 2007. Sadamoto and Higuchi both left with him and are now part of his new Studio Khara, which is collaborating with Gainax for the Rebuild movies. Hiroyuki is the only remaining founder, and he is by far the least capable out of all of them in my opinion, though that's completely based on that one episode of TTGL he directed. I love Gainax, it's the studio that's created like, 5 out of my top 10 animes, but it's not what it used to be.
There are a LOT of studios that haven't made any money and barely stay afloat for the past ten years when the first anime bubble popped, Gainax has had a lot of success and managed to more than stay afloat. They have the majority of their resources focused on Rebuild so yes they haven't put out a whole lot other than the TTGL movie and a couple normal cour shows with little production value. Anno, Sadamoto and Higuchi are all working on Rebuild with Khara but it's basically a Gainax sub-studio at this point so I don't really see the argument. Sure, technically they're not working with Gainax but, semantics.
Gainax has nothing to do with the Rebuild movies, apart from the fact they co-own the franchise. They don't do any of the animation, have no say in directorial decisions, aren't involved in marketing, nothing. Their name is on it because they partly own "Evangelion". Everything is done by Khara, who are an independent studio, only affiliated with Gainax due to shared history and copyright, to say they are a Gainax sub-studio is pretty ignorant of the situation, and insulting to Anno, who created his own studio, seperate from Gainax, for a reason. For the most part, Khara does little jobs outsourced to them by other studios, though none so far have been by Gainax, while they focus the bulk of their efforts on the Rebuild project.
Keep in mind, this is all conjecture from my own theories and lengthy discussion of the fever dream that is EoE with my brother, all from years ago so I might've got some shit wrong.
Its much better to just discuss the original series ending , because Hideako Anno just wrote EoE after receiving death threads. The original series ending is the one that Anno actually intended. And dont get me started on that Money-grabbing Rebuild ****, Gainax is selling out the franchise with that.
Also Gainax is pretty much dead, all the original owners and producers have already left, most to a new studio. Rebuild is the new studio's way of getting off the ground, and retelling the story in a way that isn't riddled with depression.
Wow I just love it when people talk out their asses about things they have no idea about.
Gainax is one of the most successful modern production studios, with recent commercial successes like Gunbuster vs Daibuster, Gurren Lagann, Panty and Stocking and This Ugly Yet Beautiful World. The current president of the company is Yamaga Hiroyuki, one of the original founding members; other founding members still on staff include Anno, Sadamoto and Higuchi. Sure is all the original owners and producers leaving the company with the new studio completely destroyed.
Oh wait.
The one thing you're right about is that the original ending is a byproduct of his depression and Gainax failing because Eva didn't make any money until about 3 months after it's release when it became a cult hit and then later started selling well in the general market.
The last original thing (read: not based on a manga, light novel or video game not produced by Gainax) was Panty & Stocking, 2 years ago. Gurren Lagann was 2007, This Ugly Yet Beautiful world was 2004, and Gunbuster vs Diebuster was 2006. You've got a really weird definition of "recent." The only thing they're doing right now is a Medaka Box adaption. Anno resigned from Gainax in 2007. Sadamoto and Higuchi both left with him and are now part of his new Studio Khara, which is collaborating with Gainax for the Rebuild movies. Hiroyuki is the only remaining founder, and he is by far the least capable out of all of them in my opinion, though that's completely based on that one episode of TTGL he directed. I love Gainax, it's the studio that's created like, 5 out of my top 10 animes, but it's not what it used to be.
There are a LOT of studios that haven't made any money and barely stay afloat for the past ten years when the first anime bubble popped, Gainax has had a lot of success and managed to more than stay afloat. They have the majority of their resources focused on Rebuild so yes they haven't put out a whole lot other than the TTGL movie and a couple normal cour shows with little production value. Anno, Sadamoto and Higuchi are all working on Rebuild with Khara but it's basically a Gainax sub-studio at this point so I don't really see the argument. Sure, technically they're not working with Gainax but, semantics.
Gainax has nothing to do with the Rebuild movies, apart from the fact they co-own the franchise. They don't do any of the animation, have no say in directorial decisions, aren't involved in marketing, nothing. Their name is on it because they partly own "Evangelion". Everything is done by Khara, who are an independent studio, only affiliated with Gainax due to shared history and copyright, to say they are a Gainax sub-studio is pretty ignorant of the situation, and insulting to Anno, who created his own studio, seperate from Gainax, for a reason. For the most part, Khara does little jobs outsourced to them by other studios, though none so far have been by Gainax, while they focus the bulk of their efforts on the Rebuild project.
Think of it as Fox putting their name on a Star Wars movie, created by Lucas Films.
Did anyone else have an extremely hard time giving a fuck about the characters? Like I can see how you would enjoy the show if you liked the characters but I just could not bring myself to give a fuck about a spineless doormat, a bitch or a emotionless puppet. Kaji was cool and fuyutsuki was alright but that was it the rest of the cast was just really annoying/unlikable.
For example, the scene with - Hide Spoiler - Asuka and Rei in the elevator (in the series) saying nothing, with the tension building for over half a minute is pretty ballsy, disjointed both psychologically and visually.
yes yes yes , a thousand times this. assuming NGE is actually about a bunch of biomechs fighting giant monsters is pretty far off the mark. and thats the problem with the rebuild movies. if anyone has watched Mr. Plinketts review of the new Star Trek movie , he made a point that all the flashy elements of the original trek were HYPERCHARGED TO THE MAX! its the same with rebuild , its like WE NEED TO BE MUCH MORE CRYPTIC AND MYSTERIOUS! MAKE THE BATTLES FIVETHOUSAND TIMES MORE FLASHY! DRAW IN THE NARUTO CROWD!
jesus. before seeing thesemovies i dident know that i had this much capacity for hatred.
I think Evangelion was my third anime I ever watched, as a kid, I think I was like 12-13. I was like WOAH what's this... it's so... so deep. I watched some other anime first, I don't remember (probably Sailor Moon/Dragon Ball, it was on TV), so I thought all anime were like that, but oh boy was I wrong. I'm actually somewhat like the main character, or used to be, so it was even more interesting. I didn't expect this from an anime.
I actually like both versions of the end.
I watched Berserk before this anime (Berserk is the best anime, period), and then Evangelion (2nd best, probably). They set the bar so high that most of the other anime were bleak compared to them. I don't know if I should be sad or happy I watched them first, because I might not have been so drawn into anime if I didn't, but on the other hand I couldn't appreciate/enjoy average anime because I got used to this quality - the best.
On September 13 2012 19:33 valheru wrote: Did anyone else have an extremely hard time giving a fuck about the characters? Like I can see how you would enjoy the show if you liked the characters but I just could not bring myself to give a fuck about a spineless doormat, a bitch or a emotionless puppet. Kaji was cool and fuyutsuki was alright but that was it the rest of the cast was just really annoying/unlikable.
What do you want from characters? I actually really enjoyed the characters in Evangelion. Most of current anime have pretty much all the same boring characters (I guess you got too used to them, too many "badass" characters out there). This is fucking 1000x better than watching the same character in a new anime setting all the time, and it's the main fucking character, it's awesome. A lot of the characters in other anime are bigger than life and can do anything, it's annoying - everything in swamped with shitty Shounen anime/characters instead of gems like these. These characters actually have big problems and are really well portrayed, I found their feelings/character development really genuine. Would you stay normal if shit like this happened to you while you were a kid? lol
I guess I enjoyed it more when I was a kid, because I was feeling that adolescence angst that Shinji was feeling.
On September 13 2012 13:47 a3den wrote: But you can't deny [...] the superb eva and angels design.
Sure I can. Organic looking robots aren't my thing. If its gonna be organic, at least make it Obari as fuck.
About RahXephon, thats more of an "Evangelion done not-shitty". It would have to be something like Fafner to be "Evangelion done again", although even that is better than Eva.
On September 13 2012 14:16 Fyrewolf wrote: I kinda just mean gundam as generic giant robot, not specifically referring that show, probably should have just said that instead. Giant robots are such a huge turn off for me that I don't really, really, really don't like to watch any show that involves them. Evangelion makes them weird enough that they are tolerable for me and they don't fight other giant robots, but I just can't get into other shows at all, regardless of what I may be missing out on. I've seen an episode or two of some robot shows to see what they are about(including 0079 and gundam wing), but I just can't bring myself to care about those shows or their characters in the ones I've seen, except for in nge where they don't fight often and not against other robots and I actually like the characters(and their varying mental problems and varying success with coping methods).
So, as long as the robot is actually the MC's mother, unrealistic self-indulgent mecha fight scenes are okay?
On September 13 2012 14:57 Lord Zeya wrote: I really like how you end this: "there has to be SOMETHING to make me care." For those of us that like the anime, it's because we DO care about some parts of it. Shinji is a protagonist who people can attach themselves to not because he's a badass, not because he's unique, but because he's experiencing life at a pace he doesn't want it to happen at. I used to hate on it because it got too sexual and wierd for what I expected was a mecha anime, but the thing is, it really ISN'T a mecha anime. The EVA are just there to help kill the concept of mecha anime, because they were so popular. It's more about growing up, and simultaneously falling apart.
This is probably why mechanime don't happen anymore. The bandwagoning brought tons of people to watch Evangelion, which got them the viewerbase that they needed to complete the series. That's why it's so normal and simple for the first 15-16 episodes. Once Shinji and unit-01 are consumed by Leliel (the shadow in the sky), Anno began to take off the disguise the series had been under for the earlier portions.
Kill the concept of mecha anime? What the fuck? Mecha anime has done just fine post Evangelion, and considering anime like Gundam SEED, Code Geass, or Gurren Lagann, Mecha anime has arguably had its best decade in terms of sales and popularity since the 80s.
Back to why people like the series: Shinji is a whiny little prick. We can all agree on that, I think, but he has valid reasons for it. If you were abandoned by your dad when you were ~7-8, would you be normal? If you had to live with strangers all your life? And then be suddenly thrust into saving the world? I wouldn't be taking that easily, no matter how many hot girls they threw at me. Neither would anyone reading this, and the few exceptions damn well wouldn't have been able to do it when they were 15, and don't pretend like you could. The fate of humanity is a burden too great for so few people to bear, and when you consider that their lives were all turned upside-down at least once before becoming pilots (Asuka's mom going insane, Rei... dying..., and Shinji being abandoned) you can begin to understand why they're all so fucked up even as the series begins.
See, this is what I was talking about in my post. "But its a realistic protrayal of a kid stuck in that situation!" Whoppie doo. Who cares? If I wanted to watch a realistic portrayal of some autistic kid with daddy issues, you could easily find one to stalk IRL, but why would you want to do that? Whats so interesting about watching a poor kid like that suffer?
Keep in mind, this is all conjecture from my own theories and lengthy discussion of the fever dream that is EoE with my brother, all from years ago so I might've got some shit wrong.
Its much better to just discuss the original series ending , because Hideako Anno just wrote EoE after receiving death threads. The original series ending is the one that Anno actually intended. And dont get me started on that Money-grabbing Rebuild ****, Gainax is selling out the franchise with that.
lol
Shinji dealing with being abandoned by his father, dealing with being thrust into a situation where only he can pilot the eva01, dealing with trying to reintegrate into society, dealing with basically just completely fucked from the stress of everything.
watching the character struggle and deal with these conflicts, is that not the basis of all good stories? if you have no conflict of the human condition then yes, you'll just end up with gurren lagaan.
Yeah, it was a good basis for a series in the original Gundam, too. Except, in the original Gundam, its actually about the growth and maturation of the main character, rather than the horrible spiral of failure that happened in Evangelion. And lol@the "no conflict of the human condition" in Gurren Lagann. I'm not the biggest TTGL fan, but do you actually believe that?
On September 13 2012 16:33 Lord Zeya wrote: I have yet to watch Rebuild, is it better/worse than original series? Is it for the fans, or to remake the series in a more honest and effective way?
Umm. I think rebuild is alot better. I liked both original and rebuild but hadcore fans of the original tend not to like rebuild because shinji is less of a pussy
Not according to Anno, who has explicitly stated it is not a sequel. Maybe he has changed his mind, anything is possible with that lunatic. He said he was happy to recreate the as he wanted it to be. Gainex loves in-show easter eggs, which is likely what alot of the "proof" for the sequel theory can be explained by.
On September 13 2012 14:16 Fyrewolf wrote: I kinda just mean gundam as generic giant robot, not specifically referring that show, probably should have just said that instead. Giant robots are such a huge turn off for me that I don't really, really, really don't like to watch any show that involves them. Evangelion makes them weird enough that they are tolerable for me and they don't fight other giant robots, but I just can't get into other shows at all, regardless of what I may be missing out on. I've seen an episode or two of some robot shows to see what they are about(including 0079 and gundam wing), but I just can't bring myself to care about those shows or their characters in the ones I've seen, except for in nge where they don't fight often and not against other robots and I actually like the characters(and their varying mental problems and varying success with coping methods).
So, as long as the robot is actually the MC's mother, unrealistic self-indulgent mecha fight scenes are okay?
I pointed out twice that I only find it tolerable because they don't really fight other robots and the fights are weird enough that it doesn't feel like other mecha shows, both in execution and enemy and eva design. And since all that metal is armor/restraints over some sort of clone recreation of those enemies, it's actually not even a giant robot mecha show because the eva's aren't robots.
On September 13 2012 14:16 Fyrewolf wrote: I kinda just mean gundam as generic giant robot, not specifically referring that show, probably should have just said that instead. Giant robots are such a huge turn off for me that I don't really, really, really don't like to watch any show that involves them. Evangelion makes them weird enough that they are tolerable for me and they don't fight other giant robots, but I just can't get into other shows at all, regardless of what I may be missing out on. I've seen an episode or two of some robot shows to see what they are about(including 0079 and gundam wing), but I just can't bring myself to care about those shows or their characters in the ones I've seen, except for in nge where they don't fight often and not against other robots and I actually like the characters(and their varying mental problems and varying success with coping methods).
So, as long as the robot is actually the MC's mother, unrealistic self-indulgent mecha fight scenes are okay?
I pointed out twice that I only find it tolerable because they don't really fight other robots and the fights are weird enough that it doesn't feel like other mecha shows, both in execution and enemy and eva design. And since all that metal is armor/restraints over some sort of clone recreation of those enemies, it's actually not even a giant robot mecha show because the eva's aren't robots.
Them not actually being robots is simply a plot device. Their use and portrayal in the show is exactly the same as how it is in any other mecha show. Out of curiosity, how many other mecha shows have you even seen?
On September 13 2012 14:16 Fyrewolf wrote: I kinda just mean gundam as generic giant robot, not specifically referring that show, probably should have just said that instead. Giant robots are such a huge turn off for me that I don't really, really, really don't like to watch any show that involves them. Evangelion makes them weird enough that they are tolerable for me and they don't fight other giant robots, but I just can't get into other shows at all, regardless of what I may be missing out on. I've seen an episode or two of some robot shows to see what they are about(including 0079 and gundam wing), but I just can't bring myself to care about those shows or their characters in the ones I've seen, except for in nge where they don't fight often and not against other robots and I actually like the characters(and their varying mental problems and varying success with coping methods).
So, as long as the robot is actually the MC's mother, unrealistic self-indulgent mecha fight scenes are okay?
I pointed out twice that I only find it tolerable because they don't really fight other robots and the fights are weird enough that it doesn't feel like other mecha shows, both in execution and enemy and eva design. And since all that metal is armor/restraints over some sort of clone recreation of those enemies, it's actually not even a giant robot mecha show because the eva's aren't robots.
Them not actually being robots is simply a plot device. Their use and portrayal in the show is exactly the same as how it is in any other mecha show. Out of curiosity, how many other mecha shows have you even seen?
I have tried to watch 7 other mecha shows, never was able to get into the genre though and haven't seen any others all the way through. Since giant robots are such a huge turn off for me I have to really, really like the characters and story to be able to get into it, and I just haven't found any other mechas where that is the case.
I'm with Sentenal on this. Watching Ikari Shinji was one of the most annoying experiences I've ever felt in anime. It's fine to have stories where the main character is thrust into a world that he doesn't want to be involved in and ends up having to deal with a lot of issues, psychological, physical, emotional, and there are probably a few good examples of this. But it's annoying as fuck when that character just acts like a retard.
On September 14 2012 00:40 Zergneedsfood wrote: I'm with Sentenal on this. Watching Ikari Shinji was one of the most annoying experiences I've ever felt in anime. It's fine to have stories where the main character is thrust into a world that he doesn't want to be involved in and ends up having to deal with a lot of issues, psychological, physical, emotional, and there are probably a few good examples of this. But it's annoying as fuck when that character just acts like a retard.
The character doesn't act like a retard, he acts like a coward. That's kind of the point of the show :/
Personally, I feel like a lot of the show is a rebuttal of the "young boy pilots giant robot" trope. A 14 y/o forced to fight for his life, and all life on Earth, day after day? That's enough to mess with an adult, never mind a kid.
On September 14 2012 00:40 Zergneedsfood wrote: I'm with Sentenal on this. Watching Ikari Shinji was one of the most annoying experiences I've ever felt in anime. It's fine to have stories where the main character is thrust into a world that he doesn't want to be involved in and ends up having to deal with a lot of issues, psychological, physical, emotional, and there are probably a few good examples of this. But it's annoying as fuck when that character just acts like a retard.
The character doesn't act like a retard, he acts like a coward. That's kind of the point of the show :/
Personally, I feel like a lot of the show is a rebuttal of the "young boy pilots giant robot" trope. A 14 y/o forced to fight for his life, and all life on Earth, day after day? That's enough to mess with an adult, never mind a kid.
I'd like to think the two aren't mutually exclusive.
But if I wanted to watch utter cowardice, I'd watch Courage: The Cowardly Dog or something. I've already seen my fair share of really annoying MCs, and it's not like the cast that backs him up does much to alleviate the irritation in my brain. Amuro in the original Gundam movies has similar growth, but at least he's not completely annoying and the supporting cast is actually pretty entertaining (Bright!)
On September 13 2012 14:16 Fyrewolf wrote: I kinda just mean gundam as generic giant robot, not specifically referring that show, probably should have just said that instead. Giant robots are such a huge turn off for me that I don't really, really, really don't like to watch any show that involves them. Evangelion makes them weird enough that they are tolerable for me and they don't fight other giant robots, but I just can't get into other shows at all, regardless of what I may be missing out on. I've seen an episode or two of some robot shows to see what they are about(including 0079 and gundam wing), but I just can't bring myself to care about those shows or their characters in the ones I've seen, except for in nge where they don't fight often and not against other robots and I actually like the characters(and their varying mental problems and varying success with coping methods).
So, as long as the robot is actually the MC's mother, unrealistic self-indulgent mecha fight scenes are okay?
I pointed out twice that I only find it tolerable because they don't really fight other robots and the fights are weird enough that it doesn't feel like other mecha shows, both in execution and enemy and eva design. And since all that metal is armor/restraints over some sort of clone recreation of those enemies, it's actually not even a giant robot mecha show because the eva's aren't robots.
Them not actually being robots is simply a plot device. Their use and portrayal in the show is exactly the same as how it is in any other mecha show. Out of curiosity, how many other mecha shows have you even seen?
I have tried to watch 7 other mecha shows, never was able to get into the genre though and haven't seen any others all the way through. Since giant robots are such a huge turn off for me I have to really, really like the characters and story to be able to get into it, and I just haven't found any other mechas where that is the case.
Have you tried Macross F or Macross Zero? I personally find the Macross universe of mecha to be memorable. Mostly since I actually like the music/characters. They could skip the mechas and it would improve.
As for Evangelion, anybody else consider the spin off Re-Take After to be the best part of the series? It has one short NSFW scene, but otherwise it is better than the canon Eva stuff I've seen.
It was 2000 or 2001. I half-regularily visited a shop which sold role play accessories (and table top figures and trading cards, you get the picture.) The shop owner had this DVD box of this anime and recommended it. But the price tag was 250 DM! (Without considering inflation about 127 Euro, with inflation corrected roughly 150 Euro.) He said it's good. I trusted him and bought it even though I was a student at this time with little money.
I watched the first episode. Looks like a mech series where childrens somehow need to save Earth with controlling those battle machines. Ah, well.
Then the story got more boring. Then Asuka came. And the episodes got better and better (with the exception of "Magma Diver") I think I watched 5+ episodes at a time, I was dying to know how the plot develops. Of course I got confused by the last two episodes, but episode 24 can be considered a kind of a conclusion anyway.
Later I watched it again. I also watched it later with a friend so I could talk about it. Even later I saw that surprisingly a lot of folks seem to know this anime. I watched the series again.
On September 14 2012 00:40 Zergneedsfood wrote: I'm with Sentenal on this. Watching Ikari Shinji was one of the most annoying experiences I've ever felt in anime. It's fine to have stories where the main character is thrust into a world that he doesn't want to be involved in and ends up having to deal with a lot of issues, psychological, physical, emotional, and there are probably a few good examples of this. But it's annoying as fuck when that character just acts like a retard.
The character doesn't act like a retard, he acts like a coward. That's kind of the point of the show :/
Personally, I feel like a lot of the show is a rebuttal of the "young boy pilots giant robot" trope. A 14 y/o forced to fight for his life, and all life on Earth, day after day? That's enough to mess with an adult, never mind a kid.
I'd like to think the two aren't mutually exclusive.
But if I wanted to watch utter cowardice, I'd watch Courage: The Cowardly Dog or something. I've already seen my fair share of really annoying MCs, and it's not like the cast that backs him up does much to alleviate the irritation in my brain. Amuro in the original Gundam movies has similar growth, but at least he's not completely annoying and the supporting cast is actually pretty entertaining (Bright!)
On September 14 2012 00:40 Zergneedsfood wrote: I'm with Sentenal on this. Watching Ikari Shinji was one of the most annoying experiences I've ever felt in anime. It's fine to have stories where the main character is thrust into a world that he doesn't want to be involved in and ends up having to deal with a lot of issues, psychological, physical, emotional, and there are probably a few good examples of this. But it's annoying as fuck when that character just acts like a retard.
The character doesn't act like a retard, he acts like a coward. That's kind of the point of the show :/
Coward for most of the time. But in the end he's the fucking boss, deciding to have none of that fake shit, where all are one entity and decides to live his live on his own, facing all fears and hardship as an individual.
In addition, as far as I am concerned about clues, hints and things they've shown in the rebuild movies so far, he's even Mr. fucking Universe for recreating the entire world to his liking. Some images from the rebuild movies even indicate, that the universe they all live in the rebuild movies isn't just the "second version of the world", but rather the fourth already (I don't remember exactly, but I think that's accurate).
So the rebuild series isn't just a revamped Evangelion, but more like a true sequel. If not and they just didn't care, then fuck it all, but at least the things that you see in the movies really point towards this, which is pretty cool.
And the most fun thing about the series is the reason why Hideaki Anno made the series as weird as it was in the first place. It's not a coincidence that the first half is kind of "standard" and then the second half is nothing like standard at all :-) Shinji's voice actress even lost control and tried to strangle the one who did the Asuka voice in the last scene of EoE, because she was so out of her mind with all the emotions.
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