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Matoo-
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Canada1397 Posts
January 02 2013 00:38 GMT
#1041
Weird to see so many people either hating it or raving about it. Just came back from the cinema and I think it's rather average. Not bad but definitely below LOTR. As has been said before, there are so many dwarves that it's hard to get to know any of them well.

Regarding the technical stuff, I saw it in IMAX HFR 3D and it was awesome. I'm glad I took the risk to go for it, I had a horrible experience with TDKR in IMAX last year and was really afraid to have the Hobbit ruined as well, but no, it was great.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
January 02 2013 01:21 GMT
#1042
On January 01 2013 06:24 MrHoon wrote:
Great movie, saw it a bit late but enjoyed it alot. (critis are too harsh but the movie isnt perfect)


One thing I will say

If we are comparing The Unexpected Journey to The Fellowship of the Ring, the Unexpected Journey does not match up to Fellowship of the Ring's epicness and characters. Not saying the dwarves were terrible actors, but there just isnt enough time to get everyone acquainted with 13 dwarves in 1 movie despite it being 169 minutes long.

I think the 2nd and 3rd movies will be amazing. Probably necromancer for 2nd movie and 5 Army Battle for 3rd


Also I sat through the previews and there are like 20 movies that are Twilight ripoffs coming out. The fuck man.

No. Most of us are comparing The Unexpected Journey to The Hobbit, the book.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9396 Posts
January 02 2013 08:07 GMT
#1043
Had they removed the "childish" stuff and replaced it with some awesomeness instead + increased the paceness in the beginning (though I just skipped that), it would have been really awesome and close to on level with LOTR.

As it is right now, it was kinda average.
Supamang
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2298 Posts
January 02 2013 08:35 GMT
#1044
On December 31 2012 21:34 Dracolich70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
People watch the movie, like it, then read the book.

Crazy isn't it ?
Yeah, you are right. The book makes you aware that you tried to manipulate your mind into forcibly like the movie. That is pretty crazy.

Its amazing how some people can't possibly comprehend that others can have a different opinion and have different tastes than they do.

Personally, I thought the movie was decent. Coulda done without stone giants, coulda done without the cheesy goblin king one-liner, coulda done without cartoony Radagast, coulda done without spontaneous song and dance. Even with that though I thought it as good and I dont regret spending money to watch it. I didn't read the Hobbit, I didn't try to manipulate my mind into doing anything. That is my honest opinion, go ahead and continue judging me and countless others for not agreeing with your opinion.
Deimos0
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Poland277 Posts
January 02 2013 08:52 GMT
#1045
I enjoyed it even though singing and dancing was a little awkward to see. Generally I'm looking forward to the rest of the movies. Unexpected Journey felt like a fairy tale and maybe that's the right attitude towards this movie.
protect me from what I want
Jsqrde
Profile Joined January 2013
United Kingdom3 Posts
January 02 2013 10:19 GMT
#1046
I saw it, and I enjoyed watching it, likely due to the bottle of vodka I was sipping on with my mates. I've never been a massive Tolkien fan, and I didn't massively enjoy the book or the film.

I thought it was okay and fun, and strangely unstretched for how long it actually was.

I thought it would decent and if I believed that opinions could be accurately displayed with numbers, then I would give it a 3/5. But of course I don't. Because those are stupid.
Erm... yes...
Madkipz
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway1643 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-02 12:16:56
January 02 2013 12:06 GMT
#1047
On December 31 2012 22:51 J1.au wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2012 20:33 Vaelone wrote:
Haven't read the books, I swear they spent half of the movie running away from something, and somehow none of the Dwarves managed to die after all the certain death moments and of course Gandalf bailed their ass out of certain death at least five times.

Not as good as LotR was for me but okay entertainment, didn't really feel some of the scenes though like the trolls and gollum while some people seemed to think he was best part of the movie, oh well.. Maybe too childish for me overall.

The lacks of deaths only looks strange because Peter Jackson has ramped up the "epicness" of the plot. The book is a lot more tame, and is frankly better for it. I think the movie would've been better served by a more, not less, childish production.


And that is mostly because this is the initial movie. They had to go through the whole Shire, building Bilbo, Thorin, and gandalf up, while also setting up some action in with the whole exposition thing.

Because deaths they be coming in the next parts. Poor Dwarves man. <,<

The hobbit is a solid movie from book adaptation.
"Mudkip"
TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
January 02 2013 12:07 GMT
#1048
On January 02 2013 17:07 Hider wrote:
Had they removed the "childish" stuff and replaced it with some awesomeness instead + increased the paceness in the beginning (though I just skipped that), it would have been really awesome and close to on level with LOTR.

As it is right now, it was kinda average.

The movie isn't more childish than Lord of the Rings Trilogy. You've just grown older and don't see them old movies for what they are.
Hobbit is a solid 7,5/10
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-02 14:13:26
January 02 2013 14:12 GMT
#1049
I can't really pinpoint whats really wrong, because i have not read the Hobbit, i feel like most of my dislikes of this movie would overlap with the original story but still it would hold as adaptation's fault right (in some way?) First and foremost the pacing, the movie seems way to long and tries to buildup insignificant things then to crush them with deus ex machina. If i would have to endure it 2 times more for 3 hours each i would rather skip it...

If Fellowship of the Ring never came out i would be gladly happy about this movie, probably but what is there more to say when there is a movie which is way better than this and depicts the universe in a much broader yet more interesting way?
Stork[gm]
FireSA
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia555 Posts
January 02 2013 14:23 GMT
#1050
Yeah really wanted to love this one, but 7.5/10 seems like a fair grade. Watched in 3d and the 48 frames, and I thought that other than the occasional odd excessive motion blur, the clear distinct appearance of cgi effects (sadly, including lighting and such, so some stuff looked odd), I liked the 48 frames, and the 3D. But yeah, seemed unnecessarily long, could have cut so many of those sequences much shorter, could have also fixed some of the writing ("that'll do it", really, goblin king?), and just made it more concise, and not tried to ramp up the epicness, and it might have been more...agreeable to people. Maybe. But then, maybe not. Well, let's see how the next 2 turn out..
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
January 02 2013 14:43 GMT
#1051
On January 01 2013 06:24 MrHoon wrote:
Great movie, saw it a bit late but enjoyed it alot. (critis are too harsh but the movie isnt perfect)


One thing I will say

If we are comparing The Unexpected Journey to The Fellowship of the Ring, the Unexpected Journey does not match up to Fellowship of the Ring's epicness and characters. Not saying the dwarves were terrible actors, but there just isnt enough time to get everyone acquainted with 13 dwarves in 1 movie despite it being 169 minutes long.

I think the 2nd and 3rd movies will be amazing. Probably necromancer for 2nd movie and 5 Army Battle for 3rd


Also I sat through the previews and there are like 20 movies that are Twilight ripoffs coming out. The fuck man.

I always thought the fellowship movie best captured the nostalgic/insignificant people caught up on an adventure (anti-epic) feeling of the Hobbit. At least the first half, until the balrog.

So from that point of view the "epicness" of the fellowship of the rings is a weakness and detracts from the movie.
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
January 02 2013 14:45 GMT
#1052
On January 02 2013 21:07 TigerKarl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2013 17:07 Hider wrote:
Had they removed the "childish" stuff and replaced it with some awesomeness instead + increased the paceness in the beginning (though I just skipped that), it would have been really awesome and close to on level with LOTR.

As it is right now, it was kinda average.

The movie isn't more childish than Lord of the Rings Trilogy. You've just grown older and don't see them old movies for what they are.
Hobbit is a solid 7,5/10

I'm going to have to disagree with that entirely.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-02 16:55:28
January 02 2013 16:55 GMT
#1053
Of course The Hobbit is more childish than Lord of the Rings. It was intentionally written that way! I think I read it (with help from my dad) when I was 6 or 7 - it was probably my first exposure to a 'real' novel.

I went into the movie expecting something somewhat light and fun, and that's what I got. Definitely worth it.
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
January 02 2013 16:59 GMT
#1054
On January 02 2013 17:07 Hider wrote:
Had they removed the "childish" stuff and replaced it with some awesomeness instead + increased the paceness in the beginning (though I just skipped that), it would have been really awesome and close to on level with LOTR.

As it is right now, it was kinda average.


It's SUPPOSED to be more childish than LOTR you dolt. -_-
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
January 02 2013 18:16 GMT
#1055
On January 03 2013 01:59 Whitewing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2013 17:07 Hider wrote:
Had they removed the "childish" stuff and replaced it with some awesomeness instead + increased the paceness in the beginning (though I just skipped that), it would have been really awesome and close to on level with LOTR.

As it is right now, it was kinda average.


It's SUPPOSED to be more childish than LOTR you dolt. -_-

That doesn't make that aspect a good aspect of it.

Something that is supposed to be bad is still bad. The Hobbit is not bad, but the extremely childish scenes didn't fit in well.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 02 2013 18:29 GMT
#1056
I think what we've learned here is that you can't be all things to all people.

Diehard fans of the book are upset because Peter Jackson made changes/additions that tie in with the original trilogy. These additions largely reflect the more epic scope of the Lord of the Rings, and end up being out of place in a more childish tale. However, without these changes the people who have never read any of the books and only know Tolkien through the recent movies would be confused by the dramatic shift in tone.

People who've only seen the original trilogy are, despite the changes, still somewhat put off by the periodic bursts of whimsy and the general disjointedness of a children's story. I've seen a lot of people who never read the books, and even some who did, assume the stone giants were an addition by Peter Jackson. Compared to the Lord of the Rings much of what happens in the Hobbit is very random and odd, and that's confusing despite everything Jackson did to cover it up.

Combine that with the 2D vs 3D vs 3D HFR gobbledegook and you have a film that was destined to be controversial. The vast majority of opinions I've read involve criticisms, even those that glowingly praise the film. It's simply a film that tried to meet the expectations of two demanding yet diametrically opposed groups as best it could, and managed to do a good enough job of it that its reviews from both camps have been generally favorable (though laced with complaints).


I think the one thing we can all agree on, however, is that the pale orc's CG was bad and they should have stuck with less expressive makeup because at the end of the day a badass orc needs only one expression to be effective.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
January 02 2013 18:29 GMT
#1057
It's not even the childish aspect which makes it a dull movie, its the condescension that accompanies the childishness.
UdderChaos
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom707 Posts
January 02 2013 19:06 GMT
#1058
A good guys head gets chopped off, waved around and then thrown toward his son after about 10 minutes into the film, and there's another scene where golem beats an orc to death with his bear hands on screen for a minute or so. How is this a child's film? What version of finding nemo were you watching where this is commonplace?
Nunquam iens addo vos sursum
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 02 2013 19:45 GMT
#1059
On January 03 2013 04:06 UdderChaos wrote:
A good guys head gets chopped off, waved around and then thrown toward his son after about 10 minutes into the film, and there's another scene where golem beats an orc to death with his bear hands on screen for a minute or so. How is this a child's film? What version of finding nemo were you watching where this is commonplace?


It's not a children's film, but the novel it's based on is a children's novel. Both of the scenes you mention, and practically anything similar you might dig up, are not in the Hobbit. Pretty much all of the aspects of the film which are not suitable for a children's film come from supplementary materials (Tolkien's notes, appendixes, unfinished tales etc.) or Jackson himself.

This is where the divide I highlighted happens. If a movie or set of movies were made based purely on the Hobbit, it would end up being a lot more like Disney's the Sword in the Stone than anything else. While the Dwarves constantly run into danger, it is all temporary, transient, and ultimately solved by luck, magic, or both without even a tip of the hat to reason or believability. However, such a film would be so different from the previous trilogy that anyone unfamiliar with the source material (a great many more people than some diehard fans realize) would be incredibly confused by the dramatic shift in tone and scope. So Jackson made additions, based on Tolkien's other works and sources, to bring it more in line with his original trilogy, and as a result you have a film that lacks consistent tone.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
white_horse
Profile Joined July 2010
1019 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-03 00:19:29
January 03 2013 00:18 GMT
#1060
On January 03 2013 01:59 Whitewing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2013 17:07 Hider wrote:
Had they removed the "childish" stuff and replaced it with some awesomeness instead + increased the paceness in the beginning (though I just skipped that), it would have been really awesome and close to on level with LOTR.

As it is right now, it was kinda average.


It's SUPPOSED to be more childish than LOTR you dolt. -_-


that isn't an excuse for the worst parts of the movie, namely radagast and the cartoony singing/dancing. They had the right idea making it less intense than LOTR but they way they did it seriously distracts you from the storyline.
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