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sambo400
Profile Joined March 2011
United States378 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 00:20:53
December 30 2012 01:26 GMT
#1001
Its always easy to spot a Tolkien noob when they point out the Eagles could just carry every character around everywhere they need to go, as if they were some freeking WoW mount or something.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 01:48:54
December 30 2012 01:33 GMT
#1002
On December 28 2012 01:07 Medrea wrote:
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On December 27 2012 11:36 Acid~ wrote:
On December 27 2012 10:17 heroyi wrote:
Out of curiosity why is it 48fps so bad for movies?

To me it would seem like more fps the better but I hear you don't want that necessarily? Like what is the technicality behind this reasoning


More FPS makes for clearer footage and more fluid animations, which makes everything seem more detailed and real.

This is a good thing for sports footage, documentaries and reality-based movies like End of Watch for instance.

But, such high realism in a fantasy movie is counter-productive (imo). I feel it's silly when you make a movie about dwarves and dragons to make your footage look like documentary.

Also, this is just my opinion, but I feel that water in movement looks prettier when it's a little blurred rather than sharp. There are many otherwise beautiful landscape shots with waterfalls that are ruined by the water being too sharp.


Thats because documentaries have a distinct lack of after filming effects thrown in. Like motion blur. It has nothing to do with framerate. If you want the 24 FPS muddy-mess you can throw in twice the motion blur (because double FPS) and voila you have the same effect back.

It has nothing to do with framerate and everything to do with post production.

Shh i'll stay with my 29.97 interlaced 525 lines being shot from a CRT shooting electrons in a line going up or down XD. Documentaries also tend not to do as many whip-pans and out of frame cuts as any given pg-13 movie with violence in it.

Also i hate the trend of trailers at first it was just fade the black all day with a voice over trying to be dramatic. But now it's that plus a fucking annoying loud bass like sound playing every like 3 seconds.

There really isn't a downside to adding more frames how you shot movies doesn't change or have much consideration for more frames but why use 48 when 60 is just right there. Sure it's double the standard which used 24fps err 23.976 or w.e depending on what was used to film it i just find the 48 to be lack luster and arbitrary in a digital age when 60 is just right there. Films should just stop being weird by itself standard even if there are underlying reasons.
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 01:37:55
December 30 2012 01:37 GMT
#1003
On December 30 2012 10:33 semantics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2012 01:07 Medrea wrote:
On December 27 2012 11:36 Acid~ wrote:
On December 27 2012 10:17 heroyi wrote:
Out of curiosity why is it 48fps so bad for movies?

To me it would seem like more fps the better but I hear you don't want that necessarily? Like what is the technicality behind this reasoning


More FPS makes for clearer footage and more fluid animations, which makes everything seem more detailed and real.

This is a good thing for sports footage, documentaries and reality-based movies like End of Watch for instance.

But, such high realism in a fantasy movie is counter-productive (imo). I feel it's silly when you make a movie about dwarves and dragons to make your footage look like documentary.

Also, this is just my opinion, but I feel that water in movement looks prettier when it's a little blurred rather than sharp. There are many otherwise beautiful landscape shots with waterfalls that are ruined by the water being too sharp.


Thats because documentaries have a distinct lack of after filming effects thrown in. Like motion blur. It has nothing to do with framerate. If you want the 24 FPS muddy-mess you can throw in twice the motion blur (because double FPS) and voila you have the same effect back.

It has nothing to do with framerate and everything to do with post production.

Shh i'll stay with my 24fps interlaced 480 lines being shot from a CRT shooting electrons in a line going up or down XD. Documentaries also tend not to do as many whip-pans and out of frame cuts as any given pg-13 movie with violence in it.

Also i hate the trend of trailers at first it was just fade the black all day with a voice over trying to be dramatic. But now it's that plus a fucking annoying loud bass like sound playing every like 3 seconds.

I blame Batman Dark Knight Rises for this. Was badass the first time, and annoying by everyone trying to imitate it for trailers.
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The Chief
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia138 Posts
December 30 2012 14:08 GMT
#1004
i saw this in 3d 48 frames and i have no idea what everyone is talking about, it looked fucking amazing, either peoples eyes are fucked or they went in thinking they were going to hate it so they weren't open to anything else... orrrr they saw it in 3D thinking it was 48 frames but it was in 24.

Movie was great, enjoyed it immensely, didn't feel all that long for me even with those annoying glasses on, yes i am a lord of the rings fan, no i don't give a shit if it strays from the book, movie was great, easily one of the best movies to come out in the last couple of years.
Moist
The Chief
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia138 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 14:12:23
December 30 2012 14:11 GMT
#1005
editted.
Moist
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
December 30 2012 14:18 GMT
#1006
Azog? Wtf...
Anyways nice movie. Seen for itself being a movie, it is again an awesome piece of fantasy movie and the next genius strike from Peter Jackson.
Compared to the books it feels ... a bit off. Too many little unneeded changes (gollum not sensing bilbo, bilbo "touching" gollum, gollum losing the ring, dwarves apear in the night etc.pp.)

Compared to general movies which came out this year: 10/10, compared to LotR epicness 9/10, compared to the book 6.66/10
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NKB
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom608 Posts
December 30 2012 15:04 GMT
#1007
When I saw the Hobbit it was in 3D which didn't really do much for the film itself. But onto the actual film itself, it is a good film for people who are fans of the series and have read all of the books including the appendixes. If it was just the hobbit book then I think they could have easily cut about 30-45 minutes and it would have still made as much sense.
Some times you just gotta wish...
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
December 30 2012 15:13 GMT
#1008
Saw it in 3D but I agree that it added very little. Last time I go for 3D I think. The movie was great I never really understood why you would care if minor details were adapted to fit the medium better.

Really liked some of the details they did like goblin warts and whatnot
Galek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Poland234 Posts
December 30 2012 15:24 GMT
#1009
So I have just watched it today. Since I am huge Tolkien fan, I had high expectations with Hobbit (considering that LotR in my opinion was one of the best book ecranisations ever made). I haven't been completely dissapointed but I don't feel just as good as about LotR. Music, scenes, acting everything was great just as expected, I watched it 3d and it was probably the first time I was absolutely impressed with it, movie really looks insanely well and shots/scenes could easily be worth high class movie award. The thing I have really mixed or even bad feelings is how the plot unfolds. I generally don't mind directors own additions and such but here it was jut not needed at all (I sort of liked the parts made from LotR appendixes, they made sense to be added in the movie). You can easily tell when the movie is just artificialy prolonged just to be able to produce 3 movies out of one. Milking the customers like we see in other parts of entertainment industry and it just left a bad taste.
Radagast. I don't even... It's good that at least it somehow fits the "fairy" atomsphere of Hobbit.

Like people are saying, movie is really decent, even better if you haven't read the book but seen LotR movies. Definitely worth watching but for Tolkien's lore fans, there might be moments of wtf is this. Even though I don't really like the fact that its going to be trilogy, I'll definitely wait for next two.
white_horse
Profile Joined July 2010
1019 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 22:52:13
December 30 2012 22:46 GMT
#1010
pacing was too slow, especially in the beginning. I've read the book but after hearing the script, I can tell this movie is completely dense to someone who hasn't read it. Words like "gondolin", "mithrandir"? Nobody knows what the hell they mean. All the new filler stuff wasn't as bad as people told me. Except the part with radagast. That was completely useless.

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wajd
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
240 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 22:54:57
December 30 2012 22:54 GMT
#1011
Saw the movie yesterday and thought it was awesome. With the addition of more Smaug stuff in the next one, it can only get better.
I actually thought the movie slowed down as it went on, and the beginning went by fast.
Think this is one of those movies where critics hate it but everyone else loves it.
What's the main complaint - "It's too long..."? Sorry I'm a grown up and have a mature attention span.
I'll sure to be at the midnight for 2nd one
UdderChaos
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom707 Posts
December 31 2012 00:03 GMT
#1012
I had my reservations going into this film, but in the end was totally blow away. I thought it was brilliant, radgast was the only part i wasn't so sure of, a more serious portrayal would of fitted in with the tone of the films better but meh, i haven't read the hobbit, had it read to me as a kid and barely remember it so maybe he was like that in the book? Don't remember him being like that in LOTR books though.
Nunquam iens addo vos sursum
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12387 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 00:21:15
December 31 2012 00:16 GMT
#1013
I thought the plot was quite predictable, which is a shame because I haven't even read the book.
the only two scenes that I didn't completely expect was the storm giants and the ring was used

the part about Solomon was really funny, he just got completely ignored by everyone lol
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
anycolourfloyd
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia524 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 00:18:47
December 31 2012 00:17 GMT
#1014
tbh i was a bit bored. i dunno if i just have ADD or something. i think there have been a bunch of movies in recent years that have worn my patience very thin (*cough* AVATAR *cough*.. inception too).

longer != better

i love lotr lore, so i should have been appreciating the fact that they wanted to pack more stuff in. i think in the end though, i have no time for lame hollywood shit. the number of cliffhanger scenes drove me to exasperation. maybe the book was like that, i can't remember. but when you've seen that shit a million times in a million different movies, you don't need it a million times in the same movie.

edit: i dunno if i'm just cynical but tbh the only reason i see the hobbit being made into three movies is pure $$$, and this also kinda took away from the enjoyment for me..
LiamTheZerg
Profile Joined March 2011
United States523 Posts
December 31 2012 00:42 GMT
#1015
On December 31 2012 07:46 white_horse wrote:
pacing was too slow, especially in the beginning. I've read the book but after hearing the script, I can tell this movie is completely dense to someone who hasn't read it. Words like "gondolin", "mithrandir"? Nobody knows what the hell they mean. All the new filler stuff wasn't as bad as people told me. Except the part with radagast. That was completely useless.



mithrandir is what they called gandalf, seems pretty obvious as a reference to him. think it was in lotro too
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FalconHoof
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada183 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 00:51:40
December 31 2012 00:50 GMT
#1016
Lifetime LOTR and Hobbit fan. Read them as a child, always enjoyed the richness of Tolkein's world.

Saw this movie the night it came out and I was very impressed. Im disappointed that its a 3 part movie, but in all honesty, it's a pretty damn good film. Also, very accurate to the book.

My one complaint: + Show Spoiler +
OMGWTF SHOW ME SMAUG!!!! That is all I wanted to see...or maybe a Star Trek trailer!!!! grrrrrr....haha
Masturbation this good deserves it's own foreplay.
CrazyBirdman
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3509 Posts
December 31 2012 01:01 GMT
#1017
On December 31 2012 09:16 ETisME wrote:
I thought the plot was quite predictable, which is a shame because I haven't even read the book.
the only two scenes that I didn't completely expect was the storm giants and the ring was used

the part about Solomon was really funny, he just got completely ignored by everyone lol

In the second half it gets a little less predictable don't worry. No complete story turnaround but a bit more variety. I mean in the first one there ist little actual story to speak of, they basically walk from the Shire to the Carrock (the rock on which they stand after their escape)

On December 31 2012 07:46 white_horse wrote:
pacing was too slow, especially in the beginning. I've read the book but after hearing the script, I can tell this movie is completely dense to someone who hasn't read it. Words like "gondolin", "mithrandir"? Nobody knows what the hell they mean. All the new filler stuff wasn't as bad as people told me. Except the part with radagast. That was completely useless.


Mithrandir was mentioned in LOTR as well the Gondorians called him that way and Gondolin is referred to with mentioning their king and showing off the legendary swords. Two of those are known to even the non-reader with Glamdring and Sting which makes Gondolin seems like an old and important place with lots of history.
Additionally I really like how there are these little things for the readers of the books, like when Gandalf mentions the two blue wizards or Saruman refers to the five wizards as Istari. And I actually kind of like Radagast, he is a fun character whose sillyness is even mentioned in the film itself by Saruman. And he actually connects the Necromancer and dwarf story which gives his character purpose.

After watching the film now three times I really come to love the scene where Gandalf tells Bilbo that all great story deserve to be embellished (damn the last time I watched it in german and now I forgot the word he used in the OV). That scene for me explains all the hilarious and over the top action we continuosly see in the movie and gives the notion that in the end Bilbo is telling us the story he experienced rather than someone writing a documentation of what objectivly happened.
It makes it really feel like the way I felt when first reading the book back when I was about 10 years or so.
zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 01:24:27
December 31 2012 01:20 GMT
#1018
On December 31 2012 09:42 LiamTheZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2012 07:46 white_horse wrote:
pacing was too slow, especially in the beginning. I've read the book but after hearing the script, I can tell this movie is completely dense to someone who hasn't read it. Words like "gondolin", "mithrandir"? Nobody knows what the hell they mean. All the new filler stuff wasn't as bad as people told me. Except the part with radagast. That was completely useless.



mithrandir is what they called gandalf, seems pretty obvious as a reference to him. think it was in lotro too


Yup, Faramir and some Gondor warriors called Gandalf, Mirthrandir, in The Return of the King. What white_horse said is true since the original trilogy mentioned terms, people, etc without going into detail. Another example would be when Elrond mentioned the Men of Numenor in The Fellowship of the Ring and so did Faramir before his suicide attack on Osgiliath.

On December 31 2012 10:01 CrazyBirdman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2012 07:46 white_horse wrote:
pacing was too slow, especially in the beginning. I've read the book but after hearing the script, I can tell this movie is completely dense to someone who hasn't read it. Words like "gondolin", "mithrandir"? Nobody knows what the hell they mean. All the new filler stuff wasn't as bad as people told me. Except the part with radagast. That was completely useless.


Mithrandir was mentioned in LOTR as well the Gondorians called him that way and Gondolin is referred to with mentioning their king and showing off the legendary swords. Two of those are known to even the non-reader with Glamdring and Sting which makes Gondolin seems like an old and important place with lots of history.


Yup, and Elrond said "my kin", so the audience will make it out for themselves that it is an ancient Elven city.
white_horse
Profile Joined July 2010
1019 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 01:25:45
December 31 2012 01:23 GMT
#1019
lol I don't need an explanation of the nerdy backstories. I've read about them before in the books, appendices, etc. My point is that people who haven't ever read the books have absolutely no idea of what gondolin is or mithrandir. Like you said, it's great for people who know the little details about the books, but it's complete nonsense to the average watcher.

The part about radagast made me feel like I was watching a disney movie. A wooden sled pulled by rabbits? What the fack. Peter jackson must have been high when he green-lighted that idea.
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zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 01:29:31
December 31 2012 01:28 GMT
#1020
It works out both ways at times. It can be for the fans of the books and lore and it does work out for the casual audience. Going back to what CrazyBirdman said, the reference of Gondolin when he was examining the weapons worked out fine because he delved into the history of the weapons and said that they were forged by his kin. The information given was enough for the casual audience to grasp at least. As for Mithrandir, the name was mostly spoken by the Elves, so we can hopefully assume that the casual viewers can interpret it as another name that the Elves use for Gandalf.
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