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On June 03 2012 20:29 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 20:11 Shock710 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +It was a good episode. That bit where Korra confronts Tarlok and he's got that waterfall behind his desk and you know shit is going to go down; fuck yeah.
I'm guessing there's gonna an explanation soon that describes how something changed during Aang's time to affect all bending. Which is why we have Amon taking people's bending away and Tarlok blood bending without the full moon.
Hopefully also it might offer an explanation as to why Mako is flinging around little bolts of lightning like it ain't no thang, and the equalists just brush it off. I mean, damn, remember how fucking deadly Azula seemed because she could use it?
EDIT: I just realized, what if bloodbending has gone to the extent Hamma wanted it to be, and Tarlok has actually been using bloodbending to make puppets out of the council, excluding Tenzin? + Show Spoiler +The only problem with the lighting bolts is, even if its standard...Zuko couldnt learn it, Azula, Iroh, the firelord were the only ones (and maybe the two old hags?) But the point was its so hard to learn and it would take years (eg firelord and Iroh) but Azula was a prodigy and had a direct connection to the only two lighting benders in the world at that time. Yet even Azula needed to charge it up (early stages) and she receive special coaching, spent her whole life firebending and improving...yet Mako (okay i can kinda get it if he can do it(firebending pro match/practicing), but still...he had no coaching, no one to tell him the technique or spend time with him, for him to master it) cause seriously he lighting bends with super pro accuracy and ease. Not to mention everyone at the electricity plant can do it.... we have "prodigies" everywhere. I know ur gonna say look what happened with metal bending, i think thats different because Toph can teach it, she even had a school for earth bending but who were the last lighting benders, NOT Zuko, Iroh (i doubt he would teach anyone, hes a tea maker) Azula (crazed and locked away), the firelord(no bending left) There was basically no one left to teach lighting bending. Even with 100 years it becomes close to mainstream?(power plants get elecrity from lighting bending, there was like 10 that one time, and cities around the firenation i assume would use power plants too, so times that by like 100 plants...) da fuck so many lighting benders? And if it was only a "select" few who could do it, how the fuck are they generating that much eletricity. 0_o
Well, the reason it was so hard is that you had to be perfectly calm and collected, not that it required some sort of super special firebending prodigy. Iroh and Azula could both do that, Iroh through many years of experience and just general awesome wisdominess, and Azula because, well, she was a #*&@ing sociopath. Zuko was ALWAYS a damn hothead, thus why he was never able to shoot lightning. There have already been several references to Mako being "focused" and "cool under fire" and other hints that basically paint him as the type to be able to get into that calm and collected state needed to shoot lightning, so I don't think it's really a big surprise that he can do it.
Yeah, i kinda get Mako can do it, but so many others? Think about how many lighting benders would be needed for a single city, com'on that many lighting benders? in only 100 years?
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Lightning Bending might only be one part of the power grid. There could be water turbines and fossil fuels to supplement it, or maybe lightning bending is the supplement itself. Not all of our power comes from one source, so I'd imagine it's the same for Republic City.
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Well the thing is that as long as Korra is alive, she represents a threat (as an Avatar). No one would know he was the one who killed Korra except his secretary. And the damage to the property could be blamed on some bending gang that later fled or were held in jail by his puppet police force.
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I guess he could try to pretend she was the one who started the fight if the death is discovered. It was her after all who visited him, since the fight occured there. If he was so intent on killing her he wouldn't have waited for her to drop by. She's shown herself to be a hot-blooded and agressive person, she tried to kill him and he somehow managed to win because of his superior experience and isn't a bloodbender at all. If some people have doubts that he may have attacked first, he has gathered so much power by now, I don't see him being overthrown by the whole city because of a dubious assassination story.
+ Show Spoiler +About that theory, I'm quite bugged at the repetition of the "terrorist group interrupting an event when they were expected but somehow managing to beat the security" scenario. I was quite bugged at the fact the metalbending police was so easily beaten by the Equalists during the pro-bending finals, since all the latter did was mix some of their members into the crowd and stab the police using their gloves, not really a genius move. Of course, in the other case the blood-benders using their powers during the day would be unexpected, but it still feels somewhat twice the same trick to me.
Side question : do you really think the body areas inside the red circle in the Tarlok/other guy comparison are anything alike ? That whole comparison felt a bit forced to me. Tarlok seems to have a more oval-ish face also. Albeit they certainly resemble eachother, of course.
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I'm also not convinced at Aang being sensitive to blood-bending while being a fully-matured Avatar. Let's remember how easily Roku stomped Sozin in another flashback. I don't see Aang being beaten down but a bunch of regular benders, blood or not. They may be a lot, but I'm left wondering how one would justify the existence of so many skillful benders when it has been clear so far that very few were far above average. And I don't see Katara surpassing her husband in water-bending either, or at least not by large margin.
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I can't wait for the next episode :D :D Korra exiled means we are going to see TLA-esque episodes and more than not an Aang Vision :D :D
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On June 03 2012 18:44 Crazyeyes wrote:
Oh, by the way, did it bother anyone else that Korra did absolutely no waterbending that fight? HE HAD A WALL OF WATER RIGHT BEHIND HIM. ANY ATTACK using that water would pretty much be a suprise attack.
I mean she's fucking water tribe but seems to use earth the most, then fire second. :/
Well he could bend the water too, so maybe using something he can't bend would be better...
On June 03 2012 23:45 Kyrillion wrote:Show nested quote +Well the thing is that as long as Korra is alive, she represents a threat (as an Avatar). No one would know he was the one who killed Korra except his secretary. And the damage to the property could be blamed on some bending gang that later fled or were held in jail by his puppet police force. + Show Spoiler +
I guess he could try to pretend she was the one who started the fight if the death is discovered. It was her after all who visited him, since the fight occured there. If he was so intent on killing her he wouldn't have waited for her to drop by. She's shown herself to be a hot-blooded and agressive person, she tried to kill him and he somehow managed to win because of his superior experience and isn't a bloodbender at all. If some people have doubts that he may have attacked first, he has gathered so much power by now, I don't see him being overthrown by the whole city because of a dubious assassination story.
About that theory, I'm quite bugged at the repetition of the "terrorist group interrupting an event when they were expected but somehow managing to beat the security" scenario. I was quite bugged at the fact the metalbending police was so easily beaten by the Equalists during the pro-bending finals, since all the latter did was mix some of their members into the crowd and stab the police using their gloves, not really a genius move. Of course, in the other case the blood-benders using their powers during the day would be unexpected, but it still feels somewhat twice the same trick to me.
Side question : do you really think the body areas inside the red circle in the Tarlok/other guy comparison are anything alike ? That whole comparison felt a bit forced to me. Tarlok seems to have a more oval-ish face also. Albeit they certainly resemble eachother, of course.
I'm also not convinced at Aang being sensitive to blood-bending while being a fully-matured Avatar. Let's remember how easily Roku stomped Sozin in another flashback. I don't see Aang being beaten down but a bunch of regular benders, blood or not. They may be a lot, but I'm left wondering how one would justify the existence of so many skillful benders when it has been clear so far that very few were far above average. And I don't see Katara surpassing her husband in water-bending either, or at least not by large margin.
We only saw aang being blood bended for like a second... maybe he quickly fought it off.
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+ Show Spoiler +I'd believe so but then that would make that surprise Katara apparition much less meaningful. Being the Avatar, he could easily shut down the whole gang in a matter of seconds as long as he can bend freely.
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On June 04 2012 02:52 Kyrillion wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'd believe so but then that would make that surprise Katara apparition much less meaningful. Being the Avatar, he could easily shut down the whole gang in a matter of seconds as long as he can bend freely.
Hmm maybe its possible more than 1 person was bending the avatar? if that theory linked earlier was true, that it was the red monsoons freeing their leader yakone, maybe they had several people bending the avatar since they knew he was so powerful
(idk if that would break the rule "you can only blood bend people weaker than you" or not)
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An increase in the general bending prowess can be explained by the increase in communication after the seeming industrial revolution in the TLA world. Before Aang took down the Fire Nation, most of the villages/tribes were separated. Only the Fire Nation made any effort to expand, and most secrets, at least pertaining to bending, were probably kept within the royal family. Now it seems like lightning bending is a staple in the school system seeing as how Mako and a host of other firebenders can do it without effort.
Now to add more speculation: as mentioned above, Yakone is probably related to the Red Monsoon triad, and I'm guessing he was their former leader. We know he can blood bend, and the name Red Monsoon seems very fitting. He got to dangerous so the Gaang brought him into trial where he went crazy, and Aang went into the Avatar state to subdue him.
A few things about Tarrlok. It seems like he has a personal reason, aside from gaining power, for capturing Amon. He obviously planted Scicon into the police force a long time ago to keep track of Lin's movements/motives. Also when Korra called Tarrlok no different from Amon, his facial expression changed for the worse.
If we assume that Tarrlok is related to Yakone, we can guess he wants to hide the fact that he can blood bend as it would probably link him with the Red Monsoons which is part of the reason he asked the secretary if any of the other council members were present. This would also mean no one else knows he's related to Yakone.
As for why Tarrlok wants Amon so bad is up in the air. Amon could be his brother or friend he grew up with. Maybe someone else all together.
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I think Amon may be his rival or enemy of some sort like you say. They both want power, and both oppress people. That would explain why Tarrlok reacted so negatively to Korra saying he is just like Amon. He hates Amon for some reason... probably some kind of grudge.
I was thinking about them being brothers, but that's probably not it. Maybe they were both trained by Yakone or something.
Also there is that kid behind yakone, that looks like Tarrlok. But Tarrlok wasn't born yet. Who is he...? I think he's important because it doesn't seem like he's being blood bended, and he has his hair tied up which I haven't seen too often in the series. It's a stretch but maybe it is Tarrlok's father -- if the kid is short and is ~15 in the flashback, he could have married and had Tarrlok at age 20, so Tarrlok at present time is 37 and his father is 57.
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I just saw the last episode, and I gotta say o_o
I really disliked that they decided to make him full out villain, because in his first few episodes he showed traits of good and bad. In his first episode he was set up to be more of a likeable character and sort of became friendly with Korra, saying "We make a good team" and she agreed. Then in the Pro-bending finals he agreed with Tenzin to close down the arena, showing that he wasn't just a devil's advocate and could be an actual dynamic character.
But like, omg, they took the plot point about him being evil and just did it so well. Especially in relation to other characters and events. And especially especially in relation to Yakone and Amon. I can already start to see how much of an impact to the story this will have.
I also love the kind of triangle this sets up. Both of the villains hate the hero and hate each other (Tarlokk hates Amon personally but Amon just hates benders in general and Tarlokk fits in that category) and I really like that they kinda dismissed the accusation that they are the same person. (At least I hope they did) When Korra says that he's like Amon, his face is more like "You piece of shit how dare you say that" rather than "oh shit she knows my secret"
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On June 04 2012 04:55 Hulavuta wrote:
I just saw the last episode, and I gotta say o_o
I really disliked that they decided to make him full out villain, because in his first few episodes he showed traits of good and bad. In his first episode he was set up to be more of a likeable character and sort of became friendly with Korra, saying "We make a good team" and she agreed. Then in the Pro-bending finals he agreed with Tenzin to close down the arena, showing that he wasn't just a devil's advocate and could be an actual dynamic character.
But like, omg, they took the plot point about him being evil and just did it so well. Especially in relation to other characters and events. And especially especially in relation to Yakone and Amon. I can already start to see how much of an impact to the story this will have.
I also love the kind of triangle this sets up. Both of the villains hate the hero and hate each other (Tarlokk hates Amon personally but Amon just hates benders in general and Tarlokk fits in that category) and I really like that they kinda dismissed the accusation that they are the same person. (At least I hope they did) When Korra says that he's like Amon, his face is more like "You piece of shit how dare you say that" rather than "oh shit she knows my secret"
Doesn't rule it out though, if Tarlok is Amon it'd be a terrible idea to spell it out by having him go 'WAIT FUCK SHE KNOWS' in the 8th episode.
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On June 04 2012 05:10 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 04:55 Hulavuta wrote:
I just saw the last episode, and I gotta say o_o
I really disliked that they decided to make him full out villain, because in his first few episodes he showed traits of good and bad. In his first episode he was set up to be more of a likeable character and sort of became friendly with Korra, saying "We make a good team" and she agreed. Then in the Pro-bending finals he agreed with Tenzin to close down the arena, showing that he wasn't just a devil's advocate and could be an actual dynamic character.
But like, omg, they took the plot point about him being evil and just did it so well. Especially in relation to other characters and events. And especially especially in relation to Yakone and Amon. I can already start to see how much of an impact to the story this will have.
I also love the kind of triangle this sets up. Both of the villains hate the hero and hate each other (Tarlokk hates Amon personally but Amon just hates benders in general and Tarlokk fits in that category) and I really like that they kinda dismissed the accusation that they are the same person. (At least I hope they did) When Korra says that he's like Amon, his face is more like "You piece of shit how dare you say that" rather than "oh shit she knows my secret" Doesn't rule it out though, if Tarlok is Amon it'd be a terrible idea to spell it out by having him go 'WAIT FUCK SHE KNOWS' in the 8th episode.
Right, they could also just avoid that entire line of dialogue so they woudln't have to worry about that problem.
I think its safe to say they're not the same person.
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It was safe to say they weren't the same person literally the moment you saw the two of them. We've always known Amon's eye and skin color and it's not like Tarlok's been hiding his appearance.
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Speaking of Bloodbending, is there any reason they can't use it to make people like...explode? Or is it just something done to prevent it from being completely broken?
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Can you imagine? The dark gritty version of avatar, where powerful waterbenders rip the water out of people just like Hama does out of trees/plants.
I'm sure you can if you're strong enough. It would be incredibly gory.
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If this show were realistic, it would be one of the goriest series out there, to the extreme. I think someone should do it.
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I possibly see korra teaming up with AMON in the future. Maybe they can work it out. Amon seems like the lesser evil compared to tarlok. Amons main thought of equalism is not even that bad. Especially in a world ruled by benders.
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On June 04 2012 06:07 Marradron wrote:
I possibly see korra teaming up with AMON in the future. Maybe they can work it out. Amon seems like the lesser evil compared to tarlok. Amons main thought of equalism is not even that bad. Especially in a world ruled by benders.
I don't know man I'm thinking both Tarlokk and Amon are motivated 90% by vanity and lust for power.
On June 04 2012 05:38 Crazyeyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 05:10 The KY wrote:On June 04 2012 04:55 Hulavuta wrote:
I just saw the last episode, and I gotta say o_o
I really disliked that they decided to make him full out villain, because in his first few episodes he showed traits of good and bad. In his first episode he was set up to be more of a likeable character and sort of became friendly with Korra, saying "We make a good team" and she agreed. Then in the Pro-bending finals he agreed with Tenzin to close down the arena, showing that he wasn't just a devil's advocate and could be an actual dynamic character.
But like, omg, they took the plot point about him being evil and just did it so well. Especially in relation to other characters and events. And especially especially in relation to Yakone and Amon. I can already start to see how much of an impact to the story this will have.
I also love the kind of triangle this sets up. Both of the villains hate the hero and hate each other (Tarlokk hates Amon personally but Amon just hates benders in general and Tarlokk fits in that category) and I really like that they kinda dismissed the accusation that they are the same person. (At least I hope they did) When Korra says that he's like Amon, his face is more like "You piece of shit how dare you say that" rather than "oh shit she knows my secret" Doesn't rule it out though, if Tarlok is Amon it'd be a terrible idea to spell it out by having him go 'WAIT FUCK SHE KNOWS' in the 8th episode. Right, they could also just avoid that entire line of dialogue so they woudln't have to worry about that problem. I think its safe to say they're not the same person.
What I mean is it's obviously an important point, not to say 'Tarlokk is Amon' but to raise the question what was that weird reaction about. It's a clear hint towards the reveal of wtf is actually going on here.
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On June 04 2012 06:07 Marradron wrote:
I possibly see korra teaming up with AMON in the future. Maybe they can work it out. Amon seems like the lesser evil compared to tarlok. Amons main thought of equalism is not even that bad. Especially in a world ruled by benders.
Ya, I could definitely see this happening as the entire point of the show is to show how benders and non-benders can work together in harmony without any discrimination toward either side. Eventually after Tarlok's grip gets tightened so much it starts to effect Amon and the equalists and after an interesting talk between Amon and Korra in some way they realize that the real threat is the oppression that Tenzin saw from the beginning that both the Avatar and Amon want to eliminate. Would be kind of similar to how jet worked with the TLA crew for awhile.
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On June 04 2012 06:03 [Agony]x90 wrote:
If this show were realistic, it would be one of the goriest series out there, to the extreme. I think someone should do it.
FMA is similar to this show in that it has people who can manipulate nature and people who can make things explode. Even then it's hard to gauge how strong a character is or what their potential is due to variations in their strength.
I don't know if Amon and Korra could work together. At least not for very long. Amon's goals is to make it impossible to opress nonbenders. He is motivated by hatred and revenge towards benders, and not necessarily just towards complete equality. I feel like the entire series, Amon has been trying to build up a larger number of followers, from the revelation where he starts showing his powers to loquacious onlookers, and the steady string of news hijackings, to the probending finals where he announces to the world that he needs people to help him remove bending oppression.
Now that Tarlock's opressed nonbenders some more, Amon may have the numbers he needs to start a coup of the city. I don't think he's planned his idea out much further than that though. Benders and nonbenders seem to get along quite fine in the cities outside Republic city in Aang's time. This is due to the fact that benders and nonbenders are almost always related to one another through marriage. In fact in one episode: the fortuneteller one, we find out that even identical twins can be bender and nonbender. So he takes over one city... big deal.
Anyways, I think a coup will be the two part season finale. I just don't know what they're going to put into the next few episodes until then.
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