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On June 03 2012 14:24 Alryk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm really confused. How do we know this guy is named Yakonne and why do we know he was part of some bloodbending triad or something (according to that theory linked above) did I miss something? And how do we know katara is involved? And why do we know it was 42 years ago? Basically, can someone explain this backstory? O.o
In episode 4, Tarlock mentions that Aang dealt with a problem 42 years ago in Republic city with force against someone named Yakone. Korra has repeated flashbacks dealing with the Gaang and some other elderly looking person, whom everyone figures to be Yakone. In the episode 8 flashback, near the end of the episode, Yakone appears to stop the bending of everyone in a courtroom and bring everyone in the room in some sort of pain, possibly indicating bloodbending, however thats just a theory.
First off two things from the episode af ter rewatching it.
1st: The Tarlock being Amon theory seems a bit down the drain. Tarlock's reaction, and just the whole way he handled the situation with Korra seemed very un-Amon like. Amon's character would have tried to use words to illustrate korra's actions as a threat to society to raise his standing, rather than out right get rid of her like that.
2nd: Yakone, appears to have some ability to stop bending. It could potentially be bloodbending, if you look in the background during the flashback everyone in the rooom, even the people behind aang appear to be suffering in pain. However, he would have used bloodbending then without the use of any handmotions, merely by concentrating, which seems a bit weird to say the least.
After rewatching the 3rd episode something else stuck out to me. Amon mentions two things: his face is scarred, and the "spirits" have told him the avatar has failed. Well in TLA, Koh said he would meet the avatar again after being bested by aang, what a better way than creating an enemy for the next avatar. Koh was quite knowledgable as seen during the TLA S1 finale, he could easily have provided Amon with the knowledge to take away a person's bending in exchange for Amon's face, thus the mask (and yes ppl are capable of operating without a face as seen in the TLA S1 finale where it was the animal (?) who was walking around competently without one). Just saying, a bit far fetched but i think not without reason
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Yakone means Red Aurora says some wiki sources. Yep its blood bending ^^
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On June 03 2012 13:42 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Also another thing -- I didn't quite like the exaggerated fighting. What I mean is, Tarlok falling from where he was hanging on should have hurt A LOT. Maybe he got a softer fall since the whole area came off, so he didn't just fall by himself. IDK, but it wasn't clear to me.
And also Korra being flung against that wall -- that far away, and then falling to the ground. That should hurt a LOT as well, but it seems they might have a slight slight "DBZ syndrome". This level is ok, but anymore and it will start taking away from the realistic-ness of the martial arts and will detract from my enjoyment >.<
Also I like how she got cut by the ice, but there was no blood. Actual violence! =O And also her somehow getting a bloody cut on her face -- I guess it was the ice or maybe the earth flying around -- there's blood in that instance but it didn't show directly how it happened, love how it's staying under Y7 while keeping it realistic while not too intense for littler kids.
The Avatar series HAS to be exaggerated. Can you imagine how beat up you would look if you got hit by a 30mph rock the size of a small car. Not to mention how dead you would look. Half the police force (And large sections of the populace) would probably have very serious burns on their bodies. Frostbite, suffocation, broken bones literally everywhere. It'd be gorier than a war movie.
On June 03 2012 14:31 XXhkXX wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 14:24 Alryk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm really confused. How do we know this guy is named Yakonne and why do we know he was part of some bloodbending triad or something (according to that theory linked above) did I miss something? And how do we know katara is involved? And why do we know it was 42 years ago? Basically, can someone explain this backstory? O.o + Show Spoiler +In episode 4, Tarlock mentions that Aang dealt with a problem 42 years ago in Republic city with force against someone named Yakone. Korra has repeated flashbacks dealing with the Gaang and some other elderly looking person, whom everyone figures to be Yakone. In the episode 8 flashback, near the end of the episode, Yakone appears to stop the bending of everyone in a courtroom and bring everyone in the room in some sort of pain, possibly indicating bloodbending, however thats just a theory.
First off two things from the episode af ter rewatching it.
1st: The Tarlock being Amon theory seems a bit down the drain. Tarlock's reaction, and just the whole way he handled the situation with Korra seemed very un-Amon like. Amon's character would have tried to use words to illustrate korra's actions as a threat to society to raise his standing, rather than out right get rid of her like that.
2nd: Yakone, appears to have some ability to stop bending. It could potentially be bloodbending, if you look in the background during the flashback everyone in the rooom, even the people behind aang appear to be suffering in pain. However, he would have used bloodbending then without the use of any handmotions, merely by concentrating, which seems a bit weird to say the least. After rewatching the 3rd episode something else stuck out to me. Amon mentions two things: his face is scarred, and the "spirits" have told him the avatar has failed. Well in TLA, Koh said he would meet the avatar again after being bested by aang, what a better way than creating an enemy for the next avatar. Koh was quite knowledgable as seen during the TLA S1 finale, he could easily have provided Amon with the knowledge to take away a person's bending in exchange for Amon's face, thus the mask (and yes ppl are capable of operating without a face as seen in the TLA S1 finale where it was the animal (?) who was walking around competently without one). Just saying, a bit far fetched but i think not without reason
You haven't read the thread have you lol.
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On June 03 2012 13:22 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Question: When mako opened the door for korra to get in the car, she said "what a gentleman!" then asami narrowed her eyes, as seen through the mirror -- is she narrowing it in reaction to seeing mako and korra in the back (like in jealousy), or was she narrowing them because she was in the "let's get down to business" attitude, since she was driving?
It seemed to me that she was jealous of Korra. It makes sense after Ikki stating Korra's feelings so obviously.
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On June 03 2012 14:24 Alryk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm really confused. How do we know this guy is named Yakonne and why do we know he was part of some bloodbending triad or something (according to that theory linked above) did I miss something? And how do we know katara is involved? And why do we know it was 42 years ago? Basically, can someone explain this backstory? O.o
We know that there are three gangs in Republic City, the Triple Threat Triad the one we have seen the most of in the actual show. One of the gangs is called the Red Monsoon Triad and is said to consist mostly of waterbenders. The fact that that seems very coincidental with Bloodbending, and now we have a criminal waterbender(?) who apparently can bloodbend gave the author the creative license to come up with everything he said.
In other words, only the existence of the gang is actually true and everything else is made up by that guy as part of his theory.
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On June 03 2012 14:31 XXhkXX wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 14:24 Alryk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm really confused. How do we know this guy is named Yakonne and why do we know he was part of some bloodbending triad or something (according to that theory linked above) did I miss something? And how do we know katara is involved? And why do we know it was 42 years ago? Basically, can someone explain this backstory? O.o In episode 4, Tarlock mentions that Aang dealt with a problem 42 years ago in Republic city with force against someone named Yakone. Korra has repeated flashbacks dealing with the Gaang and some other elderly looking person, whom everyone figures to be Yakone. In the episode 8 flashback, near the end of the episode, Yakone appears to stop the bending of everyone in a courtroom and bring everyone in the room in some sort of pain, possibly indicating bloodbending, however thats just a theory. First off two things from the episode af ter rewatching it. 1st: The Tarlock being Amon theory seems a bit down the drain. Tarlock's reaction, and just the whole way he handled the situation with Korra seemed very un-Amon like. Amon's character would have tried to use words to illustrate korra's actions as a threat to society to raise his standing, rather than out right get rid of her like that. 2nd: Yakone, appears to have some ability to stop bending. It could potentially be bloodbending, if you look in the background during the flashback everyone in the rooom, even the people behind aang appear to be suffering in pain. However, he would have used bloodbending then without the use of any handmotions, merely by concentrating, which seems a bit weird to say the least. After rewatching the 3rd episode something else stuck out to me. Amon mentions two things: his face is scarred, and the "spirits" have told him the avatar has failed. Well in TLA, Koh said he would meet the avatar again after being bested by aang, what a better way than creating an enemy for the next avatar. Koh was quite knowledgable as seen during the TLA S1 finale, he could easily have provided Amon with the knowledge to take away a person's bending in exchange for Amon's face, thus the mask (and yes ppl are capable of operating without a face as seen in the TLA S1 finale where it was the animal (?) who was walking around competently without one). Just saying, a bit far fetched but i think not without reason
The only problem with your theory in part 3 is that when Koh steals someones face, he takes their eye's too, and Amon quite clearly has eyes.
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I hope that they make it more than a mini series, i freaking love this storyline and universe. so awesome.
i definitely need to get my hands on the first series.
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I was thinking as I watched this, that LOK is much more political, where TLA revolved much more around sheer power and military might, LOK introduces "the guy you want to beat up and totally could, but can't" by way of social manipulation. Amon has social power and Tarlokk has it as well.
Right now, the show has a Amon-Tarlokk, nonbender superiority vs bender superiority conflict. I thought it would be an interesting story arc if Amon approach Korra and offered to ally to take down Tarlokk. It would offer an easy ending to stopping Tarlokk by having Amon take his bending away, and presenting Korra with the disgust of having to side with Amon, yet needing to save the city. The lesser of two evils, in a sense. And this would totally go along with Amon's personality, of being a manipulative bastard tearing Korra's spirit apart.
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Great episode 
I think Tarlock is just using some form of light bloodbending against Amon and the councilmen to convince them in certain thoughts. Amon might just be just another puppet for Tarlock to get absolute power over republic city. While Amon is dangerous, he might not be the 'ultimate villain' if there are bloodbenders around.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 03 2012 09:39 Sitinte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 05:03 obesechicken13 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +What is Aang trying to tell Korra. How did he defeat the bloodbender?
Or maybe he's trying to say that you have to bend your own body more than the bloodbender can bend yours. That was how Katara released herself from Hama's bloodbender without making any movements.
And why is Tarlock so into making more nonbenders into angry equalists?
Why did Tarlock not kill Korra? The fight was a bit reminiscent of Star Wars fights like when Windu confronts the Emperor and they find out for the first time that the emperor can actually fight and that he's been using them to gain power. Then Korra's about to kick the emperor's butt until deus ex machina bloodbending/anakin comes in. From what I read, bloodbending has no effect on another waterbender whose skill level is higher than the user. Which is part of the reason why Katara managed to overpower Hama; cause she was high tier. And I would imagine why in the flashback that Aang seemed the least affected by Yakonne amongst Sokka, Toph and everyone else in the courtroom (even though he was still struggling); he was pretty damn good with waterbending, even as a kid. An explanation/theory for Tarrlock converting nonbenders into Equalists is that he's Amon. Playing both sides of the spectrum would help establishing total control over Republic City in the long run. As for Tarrlok not killing Korra... well, how would it look if you have a dead Avatar, and your entire office demolished? No matter how skilled you are with words and public relations, you just killed someone of extremely high status, which would cost your career. Edit: Here's a theory, and it's a pretty legit theory, if any: http://birdbrainblue.tumblr.com/post/24281699688/an-analysis-of-the-flashbacks
It's a pretty interesting theory though if people had known how to blood bend without a full moon 40 years previously Korra should probably be aware of the technique.
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Finally! Awesome episode!
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On June 03 2012 16:49 Emporio wrote:
I was thinking as I watched this, that LOK is much more political, where TLA revolved much more around sheer power and military might, LOK introduces "the guy you want to beat up and totally could, but can't" by way of social manipulation. Amon has social power and Tarlokk has it as well.
Right now, the show has a Amon-Tarlokk, nonbender superiority vs bender superiority conflict. I thought it would be an interesting story arc if Amon approach Korra and offered to ally to take down Tarlokk. It would offer an easy ending to stopping Tarlokk by having Amon take his bending away, and presenting Korra with the disgust of having to side with Amon, yet needing to save the city. The lesser of two evils, in a sense. And this would totally go along with Amon's personality, of being a manipulative bastard tearing Korra's spirit apart.
Holy fuck, I can see Amon and Korra teaming up to take down Tarlok. Getting rid of Tarlok is in Amon's best interest if he's being genuine and he doesnt have some secret agenda.
Keeping him around would probably rally more people to his cause though, so I can see him doing nothing about it too.
I really like the idea of them teaming up though. That can lead to some interesting storylines.
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Bloodbending! My FAVORITE type of bending yaaaaa! Love love love it and I hope Korra masters it and uses it more than Katara did in TLA
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On June 03 2012 14:31 XXhkXX wrote:2nd: Yakone, appears to have some ability to stop bending. It could potentially be bloodbending, if you look in the background during the flashback everyone in the rooom, even the people behind aang appear to be suffering in pain. However, he would have used bloodbending then without the use of any handmotions, merely by concentrating, which seems a bit weird to say the least.
I'm thinking he might be the waterbending equivalent of Sparky Sparky Boom Man. Pure concentration and mastery over your bending turns into an absolute control over it to the point where you don't need to do the typical forms needed to exercise your elemental control. Just like how the avatar can just straight up fly in a sphere of air without moving any part of his body ala TLA's Finale, only doing it with lesser seen bending powers.
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Oh, by the way, did it bother anyone else that Korra did absolutely no waterbending that fight? HE HAD A WALL OF WATER RIGHT BEHIND HIM. ANY ATTACK using that water would pretty much be a suprise attack.
I mean she's fucking water tribe but seems to use earth the most, then fire second. :/
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On June 03 2012 18:20 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 14:31 XXhkXX wrote:2nd: Yakone, appears to have some ability to stop bending. It could potentially be bloodbending, if you look in the background during the flashback everyone in the rooom, even the people behind aang appear to be suffering in pain. However, he would have used bloodbending then without the use of any handmotions, merely by concentrating, which seems a bit weird to say the least. I'm thinking he might be the waterbending equivalent of Sparky Sparky Boom Man. Pure concentration and mastery over your bending turns into an absolute control over it to the point where you don't need to do the typical forms needed to exercise your elemental control. Just like how the avatar can just straight up fly in a sphere of air without moving any part of his body ala TLA's Finale, only doing it with lesser seen bending powers.
It would require an amazing sort of mastery to, not only just water bend, but blood bend. Blood bending already is pretty difficult, but to do it with just pure concentration is insane. Even though it seems unlikely, I'm not going to discount the idea though. We're already introduced to something pretty new in the Avatar universe. Blood bending without a full moon has got to require a really high level of water bending, to say the least.
If there's any connection to Yakone and Tarlok, it's possible Yakone would be able to do it by just concentrating.
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It was a good episode. That bit where Korra confronts Tarlok and he's got that waterfall behind his desk and you know shit is going to go down; fuck yeah.
I'm guessing there's gonna an explanation soon that describes how something changed during Aang's time to affect all bending. Which is why we have Amon taking people's bending away and Tarlok blood bending without the full moon.
Hopefully also it might offer an explanation as to why Mako is flinging around little bolts of lightning like it ain't no thang, and the equalists just brush it off. I mean, damn, remember how fucking deadly Azula seemed because she could use it?
EDIT: I just realized, what if bloodbending has gone to the extent Hamma wanted it to be, and Tarlok has actually been using bloodbending to make puppets out of the council, excluding Tenzin?
The only problem with the lighting bolts is, even if its standard...Zuko couldnt learn it, Azula, Iroh, the firelord were the only ones (and maybe the two old hags?) But the point was its so hard to learn and it would take years (eg firelord and Iroh) but Azula was a prodigy and had a direct connection to the only two lighting benders in the world at that time. Yet even Azula needed to charge it up (early stages) and she receive special coaching, spent her whole life firebending and improving...yet Mako (okay i can kinda get it if he can do it(firebending pro match/practicing), but still...he had no coaching, no one to tell him the technique or spend time with him, for him to master it) cause seriously he lighting bends with super pro accuracy and ease. Not to mention everyone at the electricity plant can do it.... we have "prodigies" everywhere. I know ur gonna say look what happened with metal bending, i think thats different because Toph can teach it, she even had a school for earth bending but who were the last lighting benders, NOT Zuko, Iroh (i doubt he would teach anyone, hes a tea maker) Azula (crazed and locked away), the firelord(no bending left) There was basically no one left to teach lighting bending. Even with 100 years it becomes close to mainstream?(power plants get elecrity from lighting bending, there was like 10 that one time, and cities around the firenation i assume would use power plants too, so times that by like 100 plants...) da fuck so many lighting benders? And if it was only a "select" few who could do it, how the fuck are they generating that much eletricity. 0_o
HOLY FUCKING SHIT Tarlok can bloodbend without the fully moon? what??? That means he's more pro than Katara, which is retarded....hopefully its not just that he's a prodigy too, and theres something else behind it, its too hard to believe that someone would have that much waterbending power(if he could do that the fist TLA firelord would have lost straight out to him). tho he seemed pretty damn strong withthe waterfall behind him.
Tarlok's father (or whoever the guy is in the flashbacks) i'm pretty sure he was bloodbending, it looked like everyone in the room was straining, i dont think it blocks bending like a anti-bending bubble shield, and also theres been alot of time in TLA where Toph has bended which out moving, and i think Katara too like being pinned down and doing something its a bit hazy in my memory but how does that work vs bloodbending cant u bend at all when ur being bloodbended? Also that guy bloodbending inside a room (no full moon), controling Toph, Aang, i assume guards around the room (cause toph is there and its meeting) and Sokka and EVERYONE ELSE ....0_o.....what....what....what....how is that..what i'm speechless when i think about it, its soooo crazy, he makes the firelord look like a low-class bender. Also if he bended all those people how did he get out, Aang and all the guards and Toph and Sokka and Katara would have chased him down (Aang died peacefully, was mentioned somewhere.....i think....) So they hunted him down which i think Aang beat him in the avatar state, u guys remember that flash back where Aang is in the avatar state and some guy has his hands infront of him protecting himself? So he probaby got pwned, and Aang took his bending away (i guess) and if Tarlok was his son, did they really not watch for him? (i guess they thought he could change like zuko)
I know we kinda was like "MORE EPIC BENDING PLZ" but this was kinda over the top with the non-moon bloodbending(but they obviously have more planned for this so i'm waiting they've done a pretty damn good job so far so i cant really doubt them with the rest), Bolin Mako were awesome, and Korra too. I really hope where this doesnt become like "lost" that the writters go "OH FUCK THE FANS GUESSED SOMETHING RIGHT, we cant have that, well i guess we change the whole thing so they will be surpised"
Theres soooo much to talk about I"M SO HAPPY! this ep was EPIC!!!
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On June 03 2012 08:09 Scribble wrote:+ Show Spoiler +One thing I really hope they delve into a bit more, aside from the stuff everyone has already expressed interest in, is that sort of McCarthyism that Tarrlok kicked off in this episode where anybody who so much as associates with an Equalist is condemned as an Equalist him or herself. They've been doing a pretty good job at making Amon a formidable threat not necessarily by making him super powerful, but by displaying what kind of damage he can do as a leader. If they capture that tension and fear of the red scare they will have two amazing villains that are imposing for reasons other than a generic evil intention or raw physical power (though they are, of course, strong fighters).
I agree wholeheartedly and it's one of the reasons I think this series is shaping up to be superior to the first.
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People seem to be a bit trown off when lightningbending is used without much effort but let's think about it,
The firenation changed the source of their bending power to hate and anger and lost the original way ( TLA s3 aang and zuko go meet the dragondudes) thus using the wrong way to do things serioulsy changes the outcome, i'm guessing that zuko bought forth a change is this when the war ended => firebenders would've sensed a change in bending power and relearned the old way => increase in power/ effectiveness => more lightning
+ the fact that they use it in their powerplants would cause a lot of people to learn it ...
my theory :p
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On June 03 2012 20:11 Shock710 wrote:Show nested quote ++ Show Spoiler +It was a good episode. That bit where Korra confronts Tarlok and he's got that waterfall behind his desk and you know shit is going to go down; fuck yeah.
I'm guessing there's gonna an explanation soon that describes how something changed during Aang's time to affect all bending. Which is why we have Amon taking people's bending away and Tarlok blood bending without the full moon.
Hopefully also it might offer an explanation as to why Mako is flinging around little bolts of lightning like it ain't no thang, and the equalists just brush it off. I mean, damn, remember how fucking deadly Azula seemed because she could use it?
EDIT: I just realized, what if bloodbending has gone to the extent Hamma wanted it to be, and Tarlok has actually been using bloodbending to make puppets out of the council, excluding Tenzin? + Show Spoiler +The only problem with the lighting bolts is, even if its standard...Zuko couldnt learn it, Azula, Iroh, the firelord were the only ones (and maybe the two old hags?) But the point was its so hard to learn and it would take years (eg firelord and Iroh) but Azula was a prodigy and had a direct connection to the only two lighting benders in the world at that time. Yet even Azula needed to charge it up (early stages) and she receive special coaching, spent her whole life firebending and improving...yet Mako (okay i can kinda get it if he can do it(firebending pro match/practicing), but still...he had no coaching, no one to tell him the technique or spend time with him, for him to master it) cause seriously he lighting bends with super pro accuracy and ease. Not to mention everyone at the electricity plant can do it.... we have "prodigies" everywhere. I know ur gonna say look what happened with metal bending, i think thats different because Toph can teach it, she even had a school for earth bending but who were the last lighting benders, NOT Zuko, Iroh (i doubt he would teach anyone, hes a tea maker) Azula (crazed and locked away), the firelord(no bending left) There was basically no one left to teach lighting bending. Even with 100 years it becomes close to mainstream?(power plants get elecrity from lighting bending, there was like 10 that one time, and cities around the firenation i assume would use power plants too, so times that by like 100 plants...) da fuck so many lighting benders? And if it was only a "select" few who could do it, how the fuck are they generating that much eletricity. 0_o
Well, the reason it was so hard is that you had to be perfectly calm and collected, not that it required some sort of super special firebending prodigy. Iroh and Azula could both do that, Iroh through many years of experience and just general awesome wisdominess, and Azula because, well, she was a #*&@ing sociopath. Zuko was ALWAYS a damn hothead, thus why he was never able to shoot lightning.
There have already been several references to Mako being "focused" and "cool under fire" and other hints that basically paint him as the type to be able to get into that calm and collected state needed to shoot lightning, so I don't think it's really a big surprise that he can do it.
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