EPT[TV] The Legend of Korra - Page 71
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Arghmyliver
United States1077 Posts
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GoldenH
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Anyway my theory began with postulating that Amon can't be the actual villain of the series. He's shown up too early, with too big a bang, and as a mysterious man behind a mask, he just doesn't have any depth nor opportunity for emotional investment. These traits are perfect if you were going to have Amon be somebody's Dragon. But whose? Well his obvious identity is Republic Council Leader Tarrlok. Although he could be Tarrlok's Dragon, their personalities are too similar, and I'd rather reduce the number of characters than add extra ones. As Tarrlok, we can become invested in Amon's character. But Tarrlok also is sparring with Korra too early to be the leader. Therefore in order to find the Dragon, we must find who his actions involve. Although asking 'who benefits' at this stage is too early in the game, we can ask who is involved: And the obvious target of Tarrlok/Amon's manipulations is Chief of Police Lin Beifong. Beifong has been the target of Tarrlok's attacks, attempting to discredit her abilities and remove her from office. [In EP7, Beifong uses his 'success' to resign from Chief of Police, despite her sure success.] Removed enough from events that she appears to be a victim, but in fact these attacks will only increase sympathy for her and her fellow Benders. With the collaboration of Tarrlok (who gains political, social, economic, technological, and all other forms of power from the arrangement), Beifong allows herself to be removed from the public eye and move more freely to accomplish her primary objective - the destruction of the Avatar. Amon's actions so far have been attempts to lure Korra into a series of scripted encounters, spurred on by her early arrival to Republic City. After Beifong failed to remove the Avatar from the city, Amon's plans went into motion. The Equalists must incite revolt between Benders and non-Benders in order to determine the dialogue of the city. But not all is as it seems. The Equalists have a number of chi-blockers on their side, but more notably they mostly use lightning and fire as weapons. Put aside the technology for now - what if we assume they are all firebenders? Sure, lightning bending is supposed to be rare, but we have Beifong's all-metalbender police force. And the Equalists first conquests was the Firebending leader of the Triple Threats Triad. This provides ample opportunity for nobody to ask where the Firebenders all went - they're hiding from the Equalists, obviously. But if actually, the Firebenders ARE the Equalists, then that explains their Lightningbending. If Amon truly wished to end the domination of Benders, then few things could be better than finishing off the Avatar in their first encounter. He claims that he has a plan, and that he will do so later. What could this plan be? First, consider this encounter is much different than any other that Amon has engineered with Korra: Instead of fighting her, he immediately captures and restrains her so that she cannot fight. If I am correct, Amon is a seasoned Bender of the water tribe, but either way, wise enough not to risk fighting the Avatar State. Second, Amon does not remove her bending. If he were able to, he would not wait. This implies to me that he CANNOT remove her bending, either because her spirit is at this point, stronger than his (because he is using Energybending), or because he is a charlatan, and will only remove Bending from those Benders who are willing to play along. Finally, this drives Korra into the arms of Beifong, who needs to be close to Korra in order to unleash her plan to destroy the Avatar. Next players are the Wolfbats. Being sponsored by an as-yet uninvestigated company, they must be complicit in Amon's plots, since he apparently removed their Bending abilities. Clearly they paid off the judge, but the entire arena security demonstrated that Amon completely controlled the Arena. Also we see the reach of Amon's power, if many of the city's healers will corroborate their story that they are unable to bend. Cabbage Corp runs the bending tournament, and their being framed by Sato puts them above suspicion by the authorities - but it should not do so to us, the viewer. Clearly, Cabbage Corp now has carte blanch to operate as necessary to produce the equipment designed by Mr Sato for the Equalists, and also an excuse to shut down the Arena, creating further deterioration in bender vs non-bender relations. Additionally, Beifong spends most of her energy keeping Korra alive, despite the fact that with her metalbending, bending both the dome of the arena and the zepplin should have been trivial - never mind wondering how on earth a ZEPPLIN escapes from a police Zepplin. Mr Sato is the next key player. Originally I thought that through Asami's alliance with the Fire Ferrets, he would become the Mr Stark technical adviser to the Avatar Team (I actually called his building Mechs early :D). I do not believe he is the ultimate villain, because if he were he would have to be able to influence the previous Bender Champions into pretending they had lost their bending ability. So while the trap sprung on Korra represents the first true threat to the Avatar, I do not believe he was fully let in on the plan, due to the lack of Amon's presence and the need for him to be kept in the dark for the other information not to get to the Avatar. The Avatar did lose the fight, but who cares? Amon already had her at his mercy once, and did nothing - he would surely release her again. So it's my contention that the only reason she survived was her failure to enter the Avatar state. The situation was set up to put her in a stressful situation where she couldn't win, with Beifong ready to kill her as soon as she entered the Avatar state, destroying the Avatar forever. With the Avatar gone, she would be free to continue her plans in controlling Republic City without outside interference. Sato and The Triad's destruction also would remove the only competition in the city. And also to reclaim Tenzin as her lover - what better excuse to rekindle old flames than a daring escape followed by rooting out the remains of Amon's Equalists, who wisely retreats into the shadows without a fight, Tarrlok having gained all the power he could desire? Sato's story is also easily manipulated to fit events. If his wife was a bender, then her murder was an example of bender-on-bender (probably gang) violence, the revelation of which will cause him to instantly join the Avatar Team with far more conviction than if he had joined freely because of his daughter's influence. Meanwhile, Asami is a secret firebender, thus her ability to 'use' the glove. While she is not yet on Amon's side, she could be easily tempted away once she learns of the love triangle she's a part of, with Beifong pointing out that she gets her man once Korra is disposed of. Asami thus does not reveal the secret of the firebending technology, but once Sato realizes the truth, will do so, and Beifong/Asami will pair up to divide and conquer the Avatar Team and Republic City for great justice. One last possibility. It's possibly that Amon does in fact possess energybending. If this is the case, he will have been corrupted by it, and thus is almost certainly controlled by a third party. Beifong may even have encouraged Tarrlok to learn it, after sharing the story of how the Avatar did it. In this case the only reason he does not use it on the Avatar is because he knows his spirit is not strong enough to win. The Avatar's spirit must be broken, through treachery and impossible odds, until she accepts Amon's victory as inevitable. Then and only then, can Amon destroy her bending ability and parade her through the streets as his prize. They will not destroy the Avatar itself, because as Benders, they hope the Avatar will be on their side in the next reincarnation. In this version, Beifong still benefits, as the equalists are still benders and she is now in charge of metal/earth benders and lightning/fire benders. The Water Tribe remains a dangerous foe, but since Amon is actually Tarrlok, he will represent the Water Tribe and Humanity. Tarrlok's slow descent into insanity will solve the problem for her (unless he literally IS possessed by that 'great goddess' he spoke of), and disposing of him cleanly will put the Water Tribe firmly in her pocket. Her relationship with Tenzin burning brightly, the council in her pocket (earth tribe and fire tribe replaced with trusted lieutenants from her forces), and the vast technology of Republic City at her command, she stands to rule as Shadow Empress of the World. Some interesting questions remain. Does the technology actually work without Bendiing? We've seen cars, and the the assumption seems to be it's a kind of faux bending, but what if it is powered by Amon sucking the bending out of people? And how will it all go wrong for Beifong. | ||
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Crazyeyes
Canada1342 Posts
On May 24 2012 20:03 iKill[ShocK] wrote: The thing about earth vs fire vs water is that if you get hit by a moderately sized rock, you'll live with cuts bruises and maybe broken bones. If you get hit by a moderately sized... fireball? your face melt. Water's power depends on how realistic you wanna get, water can be sharp and pierce stuff too if you can control it to the molecular level and speed... same with ice. But to be fair lets pretend you're gonna get hit by a "ball" of water/fire/earth flying at moderate speed, in my opinion the fireball will hurt the most. And the water tribe lost a sea battle because the moon plan, if i recalled correctly. The moon plan was northern tribe, not southern. Anyways. Yes, fire is largely destruction and has a potential for a lot of damage. That being said, people get hit by fireballs ALL THE TIME in both series and its no big deal. Other times (Katara's hands, Toph's feet) they get huge burns. I don't really understand it. Maybe the fires intensity has to be controlled, and if you don't try to make it really hot it just won't be. Rocks are often deflected by things you wouldn't expect them to be. You see people block moderately large rocks get cut up and deflected by a sword. Fire feels like at the lowest levels is the strongest when fighting, tha'ts for sure. It's lethal right off the bat, whereas the others aren't. Then again, I don't know if I'd be actually fighting that often. Also its been shown that water/air blades can be sharp enough to cut through wood/rock/metal easily. On May 24 2012 20:08 Syphonix wrote: The way I see it: Water = Gives you the most offence. Offers healing, hence you can keep going. Earth = Gives the best defence and capabilities to make a prospering civilization (sinds its on land, recources, shelter, etc) Fire = All about survival. Not as powerfull maybe as water and earth, but it gives you the ability to make fire! (Food, fending of predators. Nature's reset button, decimate life to make room for the new) Air = Plain freedom, obviously cool. But the weakest and simpelest of the 4 sinds all it does is isolate you Fire is old school #1, though earth is by far the most benefitial in 'modern' times. So I'd pick these respectively As for the healing, though. I don't think its something that can be used mid battle. It seems like a really slow process. I wouldn't say Air is the weakest; it's just that its pholosiphy is very pacifist. They don't LIKE fighting and mostly avoid and dodge attacks. It can be lethal if it needs to be. I had a thought that made me laugh yesterday. Water benders could probably poop bend. There was probably some guy at one point in history who was severely constipated and ... yeah. :D | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On May 25 2012 07:16 Crazyeyes wrote: Holy fuck, that's a really long post. The moon plan was northern tribe, not southern. Anyways. Yes, fire is largely destruction and has a potential for a lot of damage. That being said, people get hit by fireballs ALL THE TIME in both series and its no big deal. Other times (Katara's hands, Toph's feet) they get huge burns. I don't really understand it. Maybe the fires intensity has to be controlled, and if you don't try to make it really hot it just won't be. Rocks are often deflected by things you wouldn't expect them to be. You see people block moderately large rocks get cut up and deflected by a sword. Fire feels like at the lowest levels is the strongest when fighting, tha'ts for sure. It's lethal right off the bat, whereas the others aren't. Then again, I don't know if I'd be actually fighting that often. Also its been shown that water/air blades can be sharp enough to cut through wood/rock/metal easily. As for the healing, though. I don't think its something that can be used mid battle. It seems like a really slow process. I wouldn't say Air is the weakest; it's just that its pholosiphy is very pacifist. They don't LIKE fighting and mostly avoid and dodge attacks. It can be lethal if it needs to be. I had a thought that made me laugh yesterday. Water benders could probably poop bend. There was probably some guy at one point in history who was severely constipated and ... yeah. :D usually when they get hit by fire balls they do something to deflect it like aang does with small air blasts all the time | ||
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Crazyeyes
Canada1342 Posts
Anyways, I just read that really big conspiracy theory up there and I don't like it. It feels like it has too many holes, and I dislike the idea of Beifong being a bad guy. I know that second reason doesn't discredit it at all. I don't want that to be the case though. :D | ||
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GoldenH
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And come on Beifong would be the perfect bad guy, plus it's a vehicle for getting Korra / Asami shipping  | ||
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Acetone
United States200 Posts
On May 24 2012 03:42 The KY wrote: Can't help but agree with all the stuff about everyone's bending apparently being much weaker. I've been rewatching the first show and I've just watched a sequence of a few minutes where earth benders are firing huge missiles at Appa, Aang makes a huge wave of rising stone tiles, Aang and Toph use those tiles to make a giant turtle shell, Toph flattens the stairs of an enormous palace into a slide and then her and Aang make the ground they are standing on slide up it like a lift, Katara and Aang freeze a moat and all told they take out like 50 guys without breaking a sweat. Cut to Korra flicking rock disks at people and getting dicked on by steampunk ninjas. Oh and simply put I've been reminded how much better the characters are in the first show. Iroh and Zuko, Appa and Momo, those guys were the business. Truth. TLA had AWESOME characters. I like LOK, but the bending has definitely taken a hit (possibly, as some have already said, due to LOK being shorter than TLA) and the characters just aren't nearly as appealing to me as Zuko, Iroh, Toph, Appa, etc. etc. (Appa's Lost Days.....  ). In terms of LOK's quality, my character preferences aren't really an important issue in my eyes, as I think my biases are simply due to the fact that TLA stole my heart first (you know, because it was the first series.....). Given that, I think I would've been much more endeared to LOK's main character's if the writers had chosen to have them be somehow connected to TLA's main cast. Okay, Tenzin is Aang's son and Lin is Toph's daughter, and they're both cool, but let's be honest, they're recurring characters, not MAIN characters...... Aahh, but now I think I'm starting to sound silly. Still, if Lin is going off on her own (as hinted in episode 7) and be LOK's version of Zuko, my first impression is that she won't live up to Zuko's precedent......Sigh. It's a new cast, and I understand and respect why the creators wanted to have fresh, new characters. Furthermore, as I already stated, I think my preference for TLA's characters is simply chronological, which isn't a solid ground for meaningful criticism. 7 episodes into LOK is certainly a longer time than 7 episodes into TLA, but it's still somewhat early, and I do like the characters and the plot so far. On May 24 2012 16:15 mazerr wrote: TL;DR: the reason the bending in LoK is so weak is because the creators wanted to tell a story in which non-benders are the enemy, and since they can't use guns or bombs the only way left to make them a credible threat is to dumb down bending. I too am very intrigued by the benders vs non-benders idea, and I think your reasoning for the dumbing down of bending in LOK may be exactly right. However, by not allowing the heroes to be as powerful as those of TLA, I must admit I'm feeling somewhat slighted. I really miss the big bending fights and the creative techniques we saw in TLA, but I'd understand if the creators chose to substitute that for a more thematic, complicated conflict (bad guy wants to take over the world is about as simple as it gets). And there's also the argument for an era of peace dulling everyone's aptitude in combat. In fact, the more I've thought about this, the more I've become of the opinion that there are multiple reasons for the lower level of bending seen so far in LOK. I'm not so disappointed in LOK's fighting scenes that I haven't enjoyed them, but I do hope we see some cooler bending in the future. I've seen a few people posting about genetics and bending, but I'm unconvinced of their connection. We know that bending is spiritual for two reasons: 1) We know from dialogue with Aang in one of the episodes that the air nomads were all airbenders because they were all very spiritual monks 2) The waterbenders all lost their bending when Zhao killed the Moon Spirit during the Fire Nation's assault on the Northern Water Tribe, and they regained it only when Yue gave her life to revive the Moon Spirit For these reasons, I'm skeptical about the existence of a genetic explanation of bending. However, I don't dismiss the possibility, and as a scientist myself, I'm very intrigued by the idea. My only current question on the matter is about Mako and Bolin. How can brothers bend different elements? I assume their parents must've been Fire Nation and Earth Kingdom, but do we know that for sure? Given the focus on the separation of the four nations in TLA, I'd implicitly assumed that there was no inter-marriage, but now that Republic City exists, I think it's safe to assume that intermarriage occurs in LOK. TL;DR: I don't post often enough to write small posts >.> | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On May 24 2012 19:36 Crazyeyes wrote: The police are also fighting things for the first time. I mean, no one has ever seen a mech like that before. I put you on the spot in a completely unfamiliar situation while you yourself have little fighting experience in general, and you're not going to make the greatest descisions ever either. Tenzin got owned by a cable. A second before that he had no idea they could do that. Other people got shocked by the mechs... again, they didn't even know this was possible. But we've been over this. I'm more intersted in THIS: :D You better justify your reasoning after voting in this. I'm not sure why this actually hasn't happened yet. It's like the #1 discussion to be had! Anyways, I see that Air is currently winning with 30%. This isn't surprising; when I first started watching, I immediately chose Air. If nothing else, it lets you fucking fly. We've all wanted that before. In fact, there aren't many things I wouldn't do for the ability to fly that way. Air is awesome. + Show Spoiler [I say things about earth] + But then I started thinking about how versatile and overpowered earth is. You can do SO MUCH with earth. Esepecially in that time; in modern days, earth would be sort of shitty seeing as how you'd fucking ruin EVERYTHING all the time. But I guess there's more metal so you can pretend to be Magneto. But anyways, with earth... your imagination's the limit. Can it be used to fly? If you can float giant rocks, then you should be able to float rocks that you're standing on. At the very least you have hovering. Especially when it comes to actual fighting, I think earth is #1. Its straight up overpowered, seeing as how easily you could just bury someone in a heartbeat. + Show Spoiler [I say things about water] + Then I got to water and realized that its even more versatile than earth. Not only can you control water, but you can instantly freeze and unfreeze it at will. The obvious downfall is that you require a source... but to compensate, your power groes exponentially with the size of your source. Seriously how did the southern tribe lose a navy invasion? It had to be surprise. Waterbenders in a navy? Please, you're all fucked beyond belief. Again, imagination is the limit. You can do (and we see) some pretty awesome things happen with water and ice. I always thought the water octopus was really cool. And ice spikes are cool as shit. + Show Spoiler [I say things about fire] + Fire I find to be super boring. It's very simple. You shoot fire. You kick fire. If you're really good you can guide lightning. If you're special your fire can be blue. If youre talented enough you can make a giant fire dragon which can be used to entertain guests. I mean, its cool and all... but relative to the others, it just sucks. In the Avatar world, I'd choose water or earth. I can't for the life of me make a descision. It keeps me up at night. I cry myself to sleep. In the modern world, I'd probably choose water. I live next to a lake so I'd be able to make some cool use of it. Or maybe I'd choose air and fly around. Probably water though. Fire is useful too if you go camping or something. Or for making yourself some popcorn in your palm. ... my posts are always so goddamn long. -.- EDIT: In an attempt to make it not a giant wall of text, I put things in spoilers! yay! EDIT2: What the fuck, I actually wrote 'groes' instead of 'grows.' I'm just going to leave that in so you can laugh at me. I chose fire simply because im a power freak. Why use some boring water to close your wounds when you can BURN THAT PUSSY ASS CUT CLOSED LIKE A BAMF?! Why use ice platforms or gliders to travel when you can TURN YOUR LEGS INTO FUCKING JET PACKS?!?! Why throw rocks at your enemies when you can THROW LIGHTNING BOLTS LIKE A GREEK FUCKING GOD?!? ...firebending son, deal with it. /sunglasses | ||
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
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TenJin`Lucian
Costa Rica158 Posts
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
On May 25 2012 14:24 TenJin`Lucian wrote: One question, which day of the week is the new episode released? I already watched from 1-7 yesterday, but other than that have no idea about the show. Normally on Saturdays with the VODs up on Mondays. | ||
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HOWCANSHESLAP
12 Posts
On May 25 2012 11:24 TheAmazombie wrote: I think overall people are complaining a bit too much about LoK and the characters/storyline, and all that. The series is still young. Even TLA started simplisticly, but the beauty of it was finding the depth to each character and to the overall storyline as the series went a long. I personally think that the series is good, has a ton of potential, and will eventually be great. Maybe not as epic as TLA overall, but no sequel is ever as good as the original. Origin stories where you learn about the mythologies are always going to be the best. Just started rewatching TLA... The first four episodes are very boring. Even the characters seem a bit choppy (e.g. Sokka getting angry too easily). Iroh was cool right from the start though. | ||
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
On May 25 2012 15:04 HOWCANSHESLAP wrote: Just started rewatching TLA... The first four episodes are very boring. Even the characters seem a bit choppy (e.g. Sokka getting angry too easily). Iroh was cool right from the start though. This is true. Iroh is the best character throughout the entire series. I am a bit saddened by the final season though because of how little he spoke, mainly due to the change in voice actors as well, but his presence felt a bit lacking in the final book. | ||
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TenJin`Lucian
Costa Rica158 Posts
On May 25 2012 14:26 TheAmazombie wrote: Normally on Saturdays with the VODs up on Mondays. Thank you kind zombie warrior of the south american tropical forest. | ||
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onewingedmoogle
Canada434 Posts
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Crazyeyes
Canada1342 Posts
On May 25 2012 15:04 HOWCANSHESLAP wrote: Just started rewatching TLA... The first four episodes are very boring. Even the characters seem a bit choppy (e.g. Sokka getting angry too easily). Iroh was cool right from the start though. The first season isn't as great as it could be. I found it to be cheesier than I remembered during my rewatch a few weeks ago. Season two was instantly better though (and introduces the best character: Toph  ) and season 3 is pure awesome.On May 25 2012 16:35 onewingedmoogle wrote: lmao.... waterbenders poop bending...... :D :D On May 25 2012 11:19 Supamang wrote: I chose fire simply because im a power freak. Why use some boring water to close your wounds when you can BURN THAT PUSSY ASS CUT CLOSED LIKE A BAMF?! Why use ice platforms or gliders to travel when you can TURN YOUR LEGS INTO FUCKING JET PACKS?!?! Why throw rocks at your enemies when you can THROW LIGHTNING BOLTS LIKE A GREEK FUCKING GOD?!? ...firebending son, deal with it. /sunglasses Realistically you cant expect to use the rocket jets. The only time we see that is with the power of Sozin's comet, and thats firelord fucking Ozai. Cauterizing may be badass but is retarded if you have the option for healing, c'mon yo. You'd look gross in a year. That'll be good for your sex life. Besides, why bother throwing pussy fireballs when you can CONTROL THEIR EVERY FUCKING MOVEMENT? Why bother shooting a jet of fire when you can THROW A GODDAMN TIDAL WAVE OVER THEM which would not only FUCK THEIR SHIT but ALL OF THEIR FRIENDS TOO. You ever played pokemon? SURF HURTS MOTHERFUCKER. The funny thing is, chances are that you'd try throwing lightning bolts in an attempt to be awesome and you'd just DIE, or at best have it blow up in your face. Its hard as fuck, after all. The reason fire is the worst is because its boring. Choose any of the others and you can still be a power freak, and you can be fucking awesome while youre at it. | ||
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
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Thingdo
United States186 Posts
Also as others have stated they just needed to tune it down for practical purposes of story telling. You can't really give characters those powers and put them in a city. They would end up leveling the whole city after a few fights. Go watch the scene was Bumi takes back Omashu and tell me this isn't the case. And really, as much as I loved TLA, I think they started getting a bit overboard towards the end. Azula using fire rocket boots (before the comet), Bumi destroying multiple buildings across an entire city all at once, etc. After a while it just starts to break the suspension of disbelief. Why doesn't Bumi just go single handly win the war if he can do things like that? Why doesn't Azula use rocket boots all the time? I hope we don't see those kinds of power levels reached in LOK unless its korra in the avatar state. | ||
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HOWCANSHESLAP
12 Posts
On May 25 2012 18:49 Thingdo wrote: I think there is actually a decent explanation as to why we don't see earthbenders (especially the police) throwing huge rocks around in LOK: collateral damage. Think about it, tearing up a chunk of street and throwing it at someone is going to destroy the street, as well as heavily damage any buildings nearby. Using the metal cords on the other hand has not been shown as really causing a lot of damage to the surrounding area. Also, the few times we have actually seen Lin Beifong fight she hasn't really been around earth anywhere. The first time was in the stadium with no earth around to bend. The second time was in a metal bunker. Pfft. Why not just earthbend the streets back to normal. Edit: At the end of the day it's got nothing to do with the logistics. It's just that the writers didn't want to. | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On May 25 2012 16:47 Crazyeyes wrote: Realistically you cant expect to use the rocket jets. The only time we see that is with the power of Sozin's comet, and thats firelord fucking Ozai. Cauterizing may be badass but is retarded if you have the option for healing, c'mon yo. You'd look gross in a year. That'll be good for your sex life. Besides, why bother throwing pussy fireballs when you can CONTROL THEIR EVERY FUCKING MOVEMENT? Why bother shooting a jet of fire when you can THROW A GODDAMN TIDAL WAVE OVER THEM which would not only FUCK THEIR SHIT but ALL OF THEIR FRIENDS TOO. You ever played pokemon? SURF HURTS MOTHERFUCKER. The funny thing is, chances are that you'd try throwing lightning bolts in an attempt to be awesome and you'd just DIE, or at best have it blow up in your face. Its hard as fuck, after all. The reason fire is the worst is because its boring. Choose any of the others and you can still be a power freak, and you can be fucking awesome while youre at it. Hydropump, classic water BAMFness, but... Rocket jets were used by Azula before the comet, like at the boiling rock and when she assaulted them at the eastern air temple. Like a BAWSE The risk of lightning bolts blowing up just makes it more badass when you finally master it. Side note, I still hope to see lightning redirection come up sometime soon in LoK as a means to fight those electric equalist guys | ||
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