EPTBut it's good that we got a good story that messures it up, though I do like TLA more right now!
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Oliveran
Sweden72 Posts
But it's good that we got a good story that messures it up, though I do like TLA more right now! | ||
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Woj
United States133 Posts
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
On May 24 2012 09:42 obesechicken13 wrote: The only time the bending seemed weak to me was when Katara hit the Equalist lieutenant with fire on the top of the probending arena from the back, and he just got back up... Like I know fire doesn't have mass and he had a suit on and Korra was far away... but Zuko's fire cut through earth crystals in the last episode of the Earth Chapter. The equalist armor is pretty light too. Just a thick layer of cloth. Everyone else has been doing well enough for what I expect from them. Fights only use as much bending as is needed. I've noticed the weaker fire somewhat, and I'm actually thinking is this a design decision? A lot of the entire Aang series was about the dangers of fire bending and we saw a large number of very powerful firebenders over 60 episodes. So I wonder if they've noticably toned down the offensive force of firebending based on fire almost looking overpowered for most of the last series. I also feel they've toned it down because fights are now between quick nimble fighters and rarely big bending battles. If someone fires a giant wall of fire, or a tidal wave, it's pretty darned hard to punch out of existence. So I don't mind the toned down bending. It was heavily hinted that the teenagers of the last season were basically all prodigies of their age with players like Toph, Katara and Azula basically excelling well above and beyond every bender around. Aang is pretty prodigious as well. Rokku took 12 years to learn the other 3 elements, Aang basically got there in a year. However, I do get the sentiment. That Lin Bei Fong and Tenzin are so clearly outclassed in all of their appearances is a bit...disappointing. They staggered masters and their awesome throughout TLA, but they've sort of tied Korra closely with two great masters and made her a 3-bending master. All in all, that they're almost always losing to chi blockers is disappointing. I think the writers could have staggered the win-loss ratio better. So overall in regards to bending: they've probably toned it down on scale with the opponents. It's not easy to dodge a rockslide. | ||
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mazerr
11 Posts
However, in the new series, the creators chose to make have vs have-nots and technology vs martial arts/magic/tradition the plot, and therefore make non-benders the antagonists. While this makes for some awesome themes, it also forces them to dumb down bending in order to allow non-benders to be credible threats. The fact of the matter is that no matter what they try to give non-benders (sans things like nukes and machine guns which obviously won't make it on nick) they will never be close to the level of power as the original villains, and therefore our heroes cannot be as powerful as the older counterparts. The original heroes single handedly took down dozens of tanks, while the three most powerful new heroes couldn't bring down one mecha. Amon literally needs to be touching you to work his magic; there is no way he would have even gotten close to a half-way competent bender in the original series. Any kind of AoE would destroy him, rock armor would destroy him, an earth bender creating quicksand or a pillar or rock to stand on would destroy him, and so on. He'd be a one-episode villain at best in the original show. But in the new series he's the prime bad guy, so they CAN'T allow the heroes to be that powerful. Interestingly enough, the few times we've seen bending close to the original series power has been when benders are fighting other benders. Korra's firebending test in the first episode was the most raw power we've seen in the show to date, and the only reason they could show it is because there were no pansy non-benders to worry about. Don't get me wrong, I fucking love this show almost as much as the original, and I love the themes they're exploring with it. But people complaining about the bending should understand that it isn't that the creators forgot, or didn't have time, or whatever. It's that it just isn't possible to tell the story that they want to and to keep bending at the strength it was. TL;DR: the reason the bending in LoK is so weak is because the creators wanted to tell a story in which non-benders are the enemy, and since they can't use guns or bombs the only way left to make them a credible threat is to dumb down bending. | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
On May 24 2012 16:06 bittman wrote: I've noticed the weaker fire somewhat, and I'm actually thinking is this a design decision? A lot of the entire Aang series was about the dangers of fire bending and we saw a large number of very powerful firebenders over 60 episodes. So I wonder if they've noticably toned down the offensive force of firebending based on fire almost looking overpowered for most of the last series. I also feel they've toned it down because fights are now between quick nimble fighters and rarely big bending battles. If someone fires a giant wall of fire, or a tidal wave, it's pretty darned hard to punch out of existence. So I don't mind the toned down bending. It was heavily hinted that the teenagers of the last season were basically all prodigies of their age with players like Toph, Katara and Azula basically excelling well above and beyond every bender around. Aang is pretty prodigious as well. Rokku took 12 years to learn the other 3 elements, Aang basically got there in a year. However, I do get the sentiment. That Lin Bei Fong and Tenzin are so clearly outclassed in all of their appearances is a bit...disappointing. They staggered masters and their awesome throughout TLA, but they've sort of tied Korra closely with two great masters and made her a 3-bending master. All in all, that they're almost always losing to chi blockers is disappointing. I think the writers could have staggered the win-loss ratio better. So overall in regards to bending: they've probably toned it down on scale with the opponents. It's not easy to dodge a rockslide. The problem i find with Lin, is its like they are using her as a pure metal bender (so far, with tiny hints of earth) but i remember when Aang, toph, and the gang basically attacked Ba Sing Se, Aang (even tho hes the avatar) had only just started earth bending like 6 eps back already doing some pretty awesome earth bending, and Toph was wreaking all the Ba sing se army, without them even getting near her. Now Toph is Lin's mum, and even tho Aang was the avatar training and being taugh by ur mum (toph) for like 20 years would have at least matched up to Aang's earth bending during that attack. However in all the fights it seems Lin prefers using the metal wire to grapple and swing around when she could easily just cause a rock to rise out of the ground and launch herself up (i mean boomie did it effortlessly with fucken tanks!), i admitt the rock/metal blades were cool but how is that more effective then just causing an earthquake and crushing everything, if u look at what toph could do (even with her prodigy skills she did them effortlessly) so Lin by all means with experience and training should be able do that as well, no? Also i understand Bolin shooting those tiny rock pellets as he must be use to it by now. But have see the ba sing se guards launch tank sized boulders into the air and they are low class guards (not even the Dailee) sure Lin cant bend the plat-mechs, but i'm sure an earthquake to knock them about so they fall over (they could bend the ground as seen when they Police grapple a mech, and earth bend to keep them rooted to the ground) so Lin should have been able to ripple the floor then cave it in and over the mechs. One last thing, what ever happened to rock walls as defense they were the basic defense earth bending technique but no one uses them anymore T_T | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
Tenzin and Lin are both products of a peaceful time. They also have little experience dealing with threats the like of the Chi Blockers or the Equalists with high-tech devices and insurgent tactics. At most, Lin has dealt with criminals (who would also most like be benders themselves). And finally, they were ambushed; caught off-guard. Ty Lee, the Chi-blocker girl in Avatar:TLA, was able to take out Katara - who is probably the strongest water bender in TLA. As well as tons fo Ba Sing Se guards together. It seems like all the Chi-blockers are Ty Lee clones so far - able to avoid bending attacks and close the gap. They could be the elite guard for the Masked Man. | ||
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Emporio
United States3069 Posts
On May 24 2012 16:15 mazerr wrote: I think the reason the bending is so weak is due to the choices in storytelling by the creators. Most of the tension in a story like Avatar's come from the antagonists vs the protagonists. The antagonists need to be a powerful, credible threat in order to establish this tension. In the first season, this wasn't a problem because the antagonists were ludicrously powerful. They could raze cities, they conquered most of the world, they had fleets of ships, tanks, airships, and so on. Ozai and Azula were powerful enough to defeat small armies single-handedly. Therefore it makes perfect sense that our protagonists are on close to even footing with them. However, in the new series, the creators chose to make have vs have-nots and technology vs martial arts/magic/tradition the plot, and therefore make non-benders the antagonists. While this makes for some awesome themes, it also forces them to dumb down bending in order to allow non-benders to be credible threats. The fact of the matter is that no matter what they try to give non-benders (sans things like nukes and machine guns which obviously won't make it on nick) they will never be close to the level of power as the original villains, and therefore our heroes cannot be as powerful as the older counterparts. The original heroes single handedly took down dozens of tanks, while the three most powerful new heroes couldn't bring down one mecha. Amon literally needs to be touching you to work his magic; there is no way he would have even gotten close to a half-way competent bender in the original series. Any kind of AoE would destroy him, rock armor would destroy him, an earth bender creating quicksand or a pillar or rock to stand on would destroy him, and so on. He'd be a one-episode villain at best in the original show. But in the new series he's the prime bad guy, so they CAN'T allow the heroes to be that powerful. Interestingly enough, the few times we've seen bending close to the original series power has been when benders are fighting other benders. Korra's firebending test in the first episode was the most raw power we've seen in the show to date, and the only reason they could show it is because there were no pansy non-benders to worry about. Don't get me wrong, I fucking love this show almost as much as the original, and I love the themes they're exploring with it. But people complaining about the bending should understand that it isn't that the creators forgot, or didn't have time, or whatever. It's that it just isn't possible to tell the story that they want to and to keep bending at the strength it was. TL;DR: the reason the bending in LoK is so weak is because the creators wanted to tell a story in which non-benders are the enemy, and since they can't use guns or bombs the only way left to make them a credible threat is to dumb down bending. We're all aware that the weaker bending is purposeful because it "fits" the storyline and fighting animations better, what everyone is so mad about is that from a continuity point of view, it makes no sense that benders would be so much weaker than 70 years ago. The son of the Avatar himself and the strongest waterbender is some wimpo who can barely summon up a mini tornado. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
On May 24 2012 17:45 Emporio wrote: We're all aware that the weaker bending is purposeful because it "fits" the storyline and fighting animations better, what everyone is so mad about is that from a continuity point of view, it makes no sense that benders would be so much weaker than 70 years ago. The son of the Avatar himself and the strongest waterbender is some wimpo who can barely summon up a mini tornado. Well I guess for that, you could, if it really bothers you, reason that it is because they simply haven't practiced bending as much as back then. There is no war. Society is more established, and less primitive. They solve things through a better democratic system. They have the police. There's technology. Etc. It's like how, back then (think the Huns or something) people relied more on their own physical strength to protect themselves and do things the way they want. But in today's modern world, only few people learn martial arts or self-defense. Instead, we rely on the justice system and police, etc. | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On May 24 2012 18:00 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Well I guess for that, you could, if it really bothers you, reason that it is because they simply haven't practiced bending as much as back then. There is no war. Society is more established, and less primitive. They solve things through a better democratic system. They have the police. There's technology. Etc. It's like how, back then (think the Huns or something) people relied more on their own physical strength to protect themselves and do things the way they want. But in today's modern world, only few people learn martial arts or self-defense. Instead, we rely on the justice system and police, etc. Exactly my thoughts. Consider Americans during the time of the American Revolution. Why is it that 200-300 years later we're so fat and lazy? Bending itself has gotten stronger. Look at all those lightning benders Mako was working with. Look at how good metal bending has become. But the people themselves live in a time of peace. Of course theyre not gonna be battle hardened warriors. The closest thing they got is pro bending, which, to me, seems to be more restrictive in their power than MMA would be to a fighter. | ||
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Serelitz
Netherlands2895 Posts
On May 24 2012 18:33 Supamang wrote: Exactly my thoughts. Consider Americans during the time of the American Revolution. Why is it that 200-300 years later we're so fat and lazy? Bending itself has gotten stronger. Look at all those lightning benders Mako was working with. Look at how good metal bending has become. But the people themselves live in a time of peace. Of course theyre not gonna be battle hardened warriors. The closest thing they got is pro bending, which, to me, seems to be more restrictive in their power than MMA would be to a fighter. You'd think the police would be stronger than this though. So far they've absolutely gotten their asses handed to them - compare that to the Dai Li (where 2 could already delay the avatar during the Eclipse) and it really doesn't make any sense. Personally I get both sides. It sort of has to be like this but it is rather disappointing. | ||
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Crazyeyes
Canada1342 Posts
I mean, no one has ever seen a mech like that before. I put you on the spot in a completely unfamiliar situation while you yourself have little fighting experience in general, and you're not going to make the greatest descisions ever either. Tenzin got owned by a cable. A second before that he had no idea they could do that. Other people got shocked by the mechs... again, they didn't even know this was possible. But we've been over this. I'm more intersted in THIS: On May 24 2012 07:26 Skilledblob wrote: I'd prefer earth. This calls for a poll btw :D You better justify your reasoning after voting in this. I'm not sure why this actually hasn't happened yet. It's like the #1 discussion to be had! Anyways, I see that Air is currently winning with 30%. This isn't surprising; when I first started watching, I immediately chose Air. If nothing else, it lets you fucking fly. We've all wanted that before. In fact, there aren't many things I wouldn't do for the ability to fly that way. Air is awesome. + Show Spoiler [I say things about earth] + But then I started thinking about how versatile and overpowered earth is. You can do SO MUCH with earth. Esepecially in that time; in modern days, earth would be sort of shitty seeing as how you'd fucking ruin EVERYTHING all the time. But I guess there's more metal so you can pretend to be Magneto. But anyways, with earth... your imagination's the limit. Can it be used to fly? If you can float giant rocks, then you should be able to float rocks that you're standing on. At the very least you have hovering. Especially when it comes to actual fighting, I think earth is #1. Its straight up overpowered, seeing as how easily you could just bury someone in a heartbeat. + Show Spoiler [I say things about water] + Then I got to water and realized that its even more versatile than earth. Not only can you control water, but you can instantly freeze and unfreeze it at will. The obvious downfall is that you require a source... but to compensate, your power groes exponentially with the size of your source. Seriously how did the southern tribe lose a navy invasion? It had to be surprise. Waterbenders in a navy? Please, you're all fucked beyond belief. Again, imagination is the limit. You can do (and we see) some pretty awesome things happen with water and ice. I always thought the water octopus was really cool. And ice spikes are cool as shit. + Show Spoiler [I say things about fire] + Fire I find to be super boring. It's very simple. You shoot fire. You kick fire. If you're really good you can guide lightning. If you're special your fire can be blue. If youre talented enough you can make a giant fire dragon which can be used to entertain guests. I mean, its cool and all... but relative to the others, it just sucks. In the Avatar world, I'd choose water or earth. I can't for the life of me make a descision. It keeps me up at night. I cry myself to sleep. In the modern world, I'd probably choose water. I live next to a lake so I'd be able to make some cool use of it. Or maybe I'd choose air and fly around. Probably water though. Fire is useful too if you go camping or something. Or for making yourself some popcorn in your palm. ... my posts are always so goddamn long. -.- EDIT: In an attempt to make it not a giant wall of text, I put things in spoilers! yay! EDIT2: What the fuck, I actually wrote 'groes' instead of 'grows.' I'm just going to leave that in so you can laugh at me. | ||
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iKill[ShocK]
Vietnam3530 Posts
On May 24 2012 19:36 Crazyeyes wrote: The thing about earth vs fire vs water is that if you get hit by a moderately sized rock, you'll live with cuts bruises and maybe broken bones. If you get hit by a moderately sized... fireball? your face melt. Water's power depends on how realistic you wanna get, water can be sharp and pierce stuff too if you can control it to the molecular level and speed... same with ice. But to be fair lets pretend you're gonna get hit by a "ball" of water/fire/earth flying at moderate speed, in my opinion the fireball will hurt the most. And the water tribe lost a sea battle because the moon plan, if i recalled correctly. | ||
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
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Syphonix
Belgium26 Posts
Water = Gives you the most offence. Offers healing, hence you can keep going. Earth = Gives the best defence and capabilities to make a prospering civilization (sinds its on land, recources, shelter, etc) Fire = All about survival. Not as powerfull maybe as water and earth, but it gives you the ability to make fire! (Food, fending of predators. Nature's reset button, decimate life to make room for the new) Air = Plain freedom, obviously cool. But the weakest and simpelest of the 4 sinds all it does is isolate you Fire is old school #1, though earth is by far the most benefitial in 'modern' times. So I'd pick these respectively | ||
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iKill[ShocK]
Vietnam3530 Posts
On May 24 2012 20:07 Skilledblob wrote: depends how fast the rock comes at you but a baseball sized rock is enough to punch a hole into your head a baseball pitch @ ~100mph (160.9344 km/h)(a little higher then an average pitcher's pitch) will not punch a hole in my head. It'll probably give me a concussion and brain damage though. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
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BlueBird.
United States3890 Posts
On May 24 2012 19:36 Crazyeyes wrote: The police are also fighting things for the first time. I mean, no one has ever seen a mech like that before. I put you on the spot in a completely unfamiliar situation while you yourself have little fighting experience in general, and you're not going to make the greatest descisions ever either. Tenzin got owned by a cable. A second before that he had no idea they could do that. Other people got shocked by the mechs... again, they didn't even know this was possible. But we've been over this. I'm more intersted in THIS: :D You better justify your reasoning after voting in this. I'm not sure why this actually hasn't happened yet. It's like the #1 discussion to be had! Anyways, I see that Air is currently winning with 30%. This isn't surprising; when I first started watching, I immediately chose Air. If nothing else, it lets you fucking fly. We've all wanted that before. In fact, there aren't many things I wouldn't do for the ability to fly that way. Air is awesome. + Show Spoiler [I say things about earth] + But then I started thinking about how versatile and overpowered earth is. You can do SO MUCH with earth. Esepecially in that time; in modern days, earth would be sort of shitty seeing as how you'd fucking ruin EVERYTHING all the time. But I guess there's more metal so you can pretend to be Magneto. But anyways, with earth... your imagination's the limit. Can it be used to fly? If you can float giant rocks, then you should be able to float rocks that you're standing on. At the very least you have hovering. Especially when it comes to actual fighting, I think earth is #1. Its straight up overpowered, seeing as how easily you could just bury someone in a heartbeat. + Show Spoiler [I say things about water] + Then I got to water and realized that its even more versatile than earth. Not only can you control water, but you can instantly freeze and unfreeze it at will. The obvious downfall is that you require a source... but to compensate, your power groes exponentially with the size of your source. Seriously how did the southern tribe lose a navy invasion? It had to be surprise. Waterbenders in a navy? Please, you're all fucked beyond belief. Again, imagination is the limit. You can do (and we see) some pretty awesome things happen with water and ice. I always thought the water octopus was really cool. And ice spikes are cool as shit. + Show Spoiler [I say things about fire] + Fire I find to be super boring. It's very simple. You shoot fire. You kick fire. If you're really good you can guide lightning. If you're special your fire can be blue. If youre talented enough you can make a giant fire dragon which can be used to entertain guests. I mean, its cool and all... but relative to the others, it just sucks. In the Avatar world, I'd choose water or earth. I can't for the life of me make a descision. It keeps me up at night. I cry myself to sleep. In the modern world, I'd probably choose water. I live next to a lake so I'd be able to make some cool use of it. Or maybe I'd choose air and fly around. Probably water though. Fire is useful too if you go camping or something. Or for making yourself some popcorn in your palm. ... my posts are always so goddamn long. -.- EDIT: In an attempt to make it not a giant wall of text, I put things in spoilers! yay! EDIT2: What the fuck, I actually wrote 'groes' instead of 'grows.' I'm just going to leave that in so you can laugh at me. I completely agree with your ideas about water, Ive always felt its so versatile and powerful. Don't forget the healing powers though, and power to control plants, and even living beings if your evil. Water's got a lot. | ||
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Sitinte
United States499 Posts
On May 24 2012 19:36 Crazyeyes wrote: + Show Spoiler [I say things about water] + Then I got to water and realized that its even more versatile than earth. Not only can you control water, but you can instantly freeze and unfreeze it at will. The obvious downfall is that you require a source... but to compensate, your power groes exponentially with the size of your source. Seriously how did the southern tribe lose a navy invasion? It had to be surprise. Waterbenders in a navy? Please, you're all fucked beyond belief. Again, imagination is the limit. You can do (and we see) some pretty awesome things happen with water and ice. I always thought the water octopus was really cool. And ice spikes are cool as shit. On May 24 2012 20:03 iKill[ShocK] wrote: And the water tribe lost a sea battle because the moon plan, if i recalled correctly. Fire Nation used the same tactics that won them against the Earth Kingdom in the early stages of war: bombardment and hit and run raids with the element of surprise. The battles were also fought probably during the day and Fire Nation adopted a policy of wiping out all waterbenders they found. Furthermore, the Southern Tribe splintered from the Northern Water Tribe. So these guys were like early 16th century European settlers; very, very limited in number. A naval blockade from the Fire Nation would mean that supplies were cut off and even if the waterbenders were able to break through, the Northern Tribe was an entire pole away, whereas it would take much earlier for Fire Nation reinforcements to arrive, especially when you factor in that Fire Nation was the only one with steam boats at the time. So basically, Fire Nation = late game zerg/toss on 4+ base, Water Tribe = fucked. | ||
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Chained
United States137 Posts
On May 24 2012 18:48 Serelitz wrote: You'd think the police would be stronger than this though. So far they've absolutely gotten their asses handed to them - compare that to the Dai Li (where 2 could already delay the avatar during the Eclipse) and it really doesn't make any sense. Personally I get both sides. It sort of has to be like this but it is rather disappointing. Ehh you could almost relate the metal wires the police have like guns in todays cops. If Cops got into battle with a person who was trained to fight and the equipment the cops had were somehow rendered useless, the cops would easily lose. For continuation sakes, I think the best and obvious answer is just that its not the same practice. How many of the lessons Aang got was also about how to breate properly, having the right mindset. Etc. We saw that from the beginning when Bolin taught Korra the "new style" of earth bending. Maybe you can throw discs as well, but when Bolin tried to bring up a wall, he was terribly slow at it. I think that could be said about everyone, even Lin and Tenzin.Just because you have a good master doesnt mean they are a great student. Now I dont think they are terrible, but I do think its a matter of confusion, shock, and inexperience. If the writers are thinking the same way I am. The last few episodes will be scale up immensely, and the 2nd season will be much more like TLA. As for which element I would want to bend. Water easy. If I can do everything that was shown in the series. (Make Ice, blood bending, grabbing water from nature etc) would be my favorite. Maybe not the strongest, but I love that its versatile, but not so versatile its a do anything type thing. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
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