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On May 16 2012 19:37 The KY wrote: I liked Legend of Aang a lot, even if just occasionally I wished it could be more adult so we could avoid some of the cheesier kid stuff and, ya know, maybe someone could actually die in this damn war. But it's actually so genuinely good that I can brush that aside. I was nervous when I heard about this new show but I genuinely think they've done a good a job as possible of finding a balance between elements of the old show and a new feel. So far I think Amon is a pretty good villain, he's not wholly unsympathetic. The only character I miss is Zuko, his story was by far the strongest in Aang imo.
Some queries; Can the metal bending police force earth bend? Surely they can...regardless they're awesome. Are the slow-mo bits in some of the action sequences really necessary? Sometimes they aren't even done well and it looks odd. I wanna find out what's going on in dem flashbacks. Seems to me that Amon will have some links to Aang if not necessarily the original series.
I think I heard somewhere that Zuko will be back. I know his voice actor is going to be on the show, although whether or not he plays the same character (he'd be much older though) I'm not sure.
Metalbenders can bend earth too. The whole concept of metalbending (which idk if it is scientifically accurate) was finding the earth in metal and bending that, thereby also bending the metal.
I'm interested in the flashbacks too, but I have a feeling that there's going to be quite a few more before we actually find out what they mean.
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On May 16 2012 23:18 Hulavuta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2012 19:37 The KY wrote: I liked Legend of Aang a lot, even if just occasionally I wished it could be more adult so we could avoid some of the cheesier kid stuff and, ya know, maybe someone could actually die in this damn war. But it's actually so genuinely good that I can brush that aside. I was nervous when I heard about this new show but I genuinely think they've done a good a job as possible of finding a balance between elements of the old show and a new feel. So far I think Amon is a pretty good villain, he's not wholly unsympathetic. The only character I miss is Zuko, his story was by far the strongest in Aang imo.
Some queries; Can the metal bending police force earth bend? Surely they can...regardless they're awesome. Are the slow-mo bits in some of the action sequences really necessary? Sometimes they aren't even done well and it looks odd. I wanna find out what's going on in dem flashbacks. Seems to me that Amon will have some links to Aang if not necessarily the original series. Metalbenders can bend earth too. The whole concept of metalbending ( which idk if it is scientifically accurate) was finding the earth in metal and bending that, thereby also bending the metal.
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Trust me, metalbending can't be scientifically accurate given how they described it.
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On May 16 2012 23:22 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2012 23:18 Hulavuta wrote:On May 16 2012 19:37 The KY wrote: I liked Legend of Aang a lot, even if just occasionally I wished it could be more adult so we could avoid some of the cheesier kid stuff and, ya know, maybe someone could actually die in this damn war. But it's actually so genuinely good that I can brush that aside. I was nervous when I heard about this new show but I genuinely think they've done a good a job as possible of finding a balance between elements of the old show and a new feel. So far I think Amon is a pretty good villain, he's not wholly unsympathetic. The only character I miss is Zuko, his story was by far the strongest in Aang imo.
Some queries; Can the metal bending police force earth bend? Surely they can...regardless they're awesome. Are the slow-mo bits in some of the action sequences really necessary? Sometimes they aren't even done well and it looks odd. I wanna find out what's going on in dem flashbacks. Seems to me that Amon will have some links to Aang if not necessarily the original series. Metalbenders can bend earth too. The whole concept of metalbending ( which idk if it is scientifically accurate) was finding the earth in metal and bending that, thereby also bending the metal. ^-^ Trust me, metalbending can't be scientifically accurate given how they described it.
Now that I remember...it was either that (what I explained above) OR that they just had to get rid of their assumptions and understand that "metal and earth are not so different" and that's what allowed metalbending. It was one of the two. (Idk if this one is very scientifically accurate either lololol)
EDIT: Okay I looked it up and apparently both are correct. They had to get rid of their assumptions that metal is unbendable, which allowed them to realize that there was still earth inside the metal that they could control.
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I too wondered about Tarlok's (sp?) motivations for a bit, but quickly concluded that he's just a typical politician looking to cover his ass in case something goes wrong.
This was a really good episode. It actually reminded me of why I fell in love with Fullmetal Alchemist: a great mixture of interesting characters, drama, comic relief, cool fight scenes, and significant plot progression. Speaking of which...
The First Flashback: + Show Spoiler +
Like others have said, there's not much to go on, but that didn't stop me from getting excited about our first Avatar flashback. The first shot is clearly Aang with Toph and her metalbenders. I think the obvious guess is is that Toph caught some perpetrator and is showing him or her to Aang. The second has something going on in the background. My best guess is some kind of meeting or presentation, as the people in the background seem to be sitting and observing what's happening in front of them (Aang and Evil Grey Guy). The third looks like it might be the Evil Grey Guy from the previous shot. At the very least, they're wearing the same clothing, so if they're not the same guy, then they're probably both members of some club or committee or something. The fourth shot is clearly Aang intimidating the hell out of somebody. I watched the sequence several times, and it looked to me like Aang's forehead arrow was glowing, which, if i recall correctly, means he's doing some kinda Avatar shit. My first thought was, given the glowing arrow, the angry wind, the guy cowering at Aang's feet, and the fact that the flashback occurred as Aang was about to take away the Wolf Bat douche's bending ability, that Aang was about to take away the cowering guy's bending ability. However, that's really just a shot in the dark. And the last shot... well.... it's Aang. Duh. And that's it.
Well, I tossed around the idea of it actually being Tenzin in the flashback, but he'd have to look a lot younger than Toph, which just isn't the case in the first shot. Or "Toph" is actually Lin, but I think that's equally unlikely as she clearly has Toph's hairstyle, and I doubt the character designers would give Lin the same hairstyle and Toph (anime-styled characters can be hard enough to distinguish as it is, especially those with the same skin tone), unless they really want to misdirect us for some reason. Also, the Avatar probably wouldn't be having flashbacks of scenes in which the Avatar wasn't present.
As for how doable metalbending is for an earthbender, I think it's easily explained. Earthbending itself is never really explained, at least in terms of what exactly in the "earth" is being manipulated. I imagine the most popular ideas are probably soil and/or rock. Well, both soil and rock contain a wealth of metallic elements. In fact, the earth's crust is composed of about 98% calcium, potassium, aluminum, iron, sodium and magnesium compounds. But that doesn't really fall in line with "finding the earth in the metal," as I believe Toph put it in the first series. According what I just described, earthbending would be like "finding the metal in the earth." But maybe that's actually how it is? We just don't know, and probably never will, but I don't think that matters. The fact that what most people would describe as "earth" consists mostly of metallic compounds is enough to convince me of an earthbender's ability to metalbend.
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My friend at uni and i were talking about amon, and he was saying that Ty Lee was the person to learn chi-blocks and when she joined the kyoshi warriors she mentioned that she taught them chi-blocking. Also the only people to see Aang take the firelords bending away was Sokka, Toph(well not really) and Suki (who is a kyoshi warrior) and he(my friend) was talking about how it wouldnt be too far fetched if Suki and Ty Lee (2 non-benders) tried to learn how to take bending away(for defense, the Kyoshi warriors are at a super disadvantage without bending), combining chi-blocks and what Suki saw. He went further to say that Amon could be Ty Lee's son and she passed the secret only to him (look at the way amon moves he has so much co-ordination, and relying on well planned out moves much like how Ty Lee fights) But this is all theory crafting
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On May 17 2012 19:15 Shock710 wrote: My friend at uni and i were talking about amon, and he was saying that Ty Lee was the person to learn chi-blocks and when she joined the kyoshi warriors she mentioned that she taught them chi-blocking. Also the only people to see Aang take the firelords bending away was Sokka, Toph(well not really) and Suki (who is a kyoshi warrior) and he(my friend) was talking about how it wouldnt be too far fetched if Suki and Ty Lee (2 non-benders) tried to learn how to take bending away(for defense, the Kyoshi warriors are at a super disadvantage without bending), combining chi-blocks and what Suki saw. He went further to say that Amon could be Ty Lee's son and she passed the secret only to him (look at the way amon moves he has so much co-ordination, and relying on well planned out moves much like how Ty Lee fights) But this is all theory crafting
So what I am wondering though, since one of those flashback images appears to be Aang or someone in the Avatar state, + Show Spoiler + almost coming at someone, I am wondering if Amon or someone related wasn't once a bender who had their power taken by the Avatar and since learned their secret. I love this show and I can't wait to find out more in the coming weeks.
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On May 17 2012 19:19 TheAmazombie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2012 19:15 Shock710 wrote: My friend at uni and i were talking about amon, and he was saying that Ty Lee was the person to learn chi-blocks and when she joined the kyoshi warriors she mentioned that she taught them chi-blocking. Also the only people to see Aang take the firelords bending away was Sokka, Toph(well not really) and Suki (who is a kyoshi warrior) and he(my friend) was talking about how it wouldnt be too far fetched if Suki and Ty Lee (2 non-benders) tried to learn how to take bending away(for defense, the Kyoshi warriors are at a super disadvantage without bending), combining chi-blocks and what Suki saw. He went further to say that Amon could be Ty Lee's son and she passed the secret only to him (look at the way amon moves he has so much co-ordination, and relying on well planned out moves much like how Ty Lee fights) But this is all theory crafting So what I am wondering though, since one of those flashback images appears to be Aang or someone in the Avatar state, + Show Spoiler +almost coming at someone, I am wondering if Amon or someone related wasn't once a bender who had their power taken by the Avatar and since learned their secret. I love this show and I can't wait to find out more in the coming weeks. I think its Aang (99% sure), and yeah he looks pissed. The thing is when Aang took bending away Aang needed to be incorruptible to take it away. Does Amon really have that much pureness in him? p.s Forgot to mention that, Aang told suki that a lionturtle gave him the ability to take bending away, so maybe Suki and Ty Lee went to go look for the Lionturtle, Ty Lee is pure of heart imo wouldnt be crazy if the lion turtle gave it to her
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On May 17 2012 19:15 Shock710 wrote: My friend at uni and i were talking about amon, and he was saying that Ty Lee was the person to learn chi-blocks and when she joined the kyoshi warriors she mentioned that she taught them chi-blocking. Also the only people to see Aang take the firelords bending away was Sokka, Toph(well not really) and Suki (who is a kyoshi warrior) and he(my friend) was talking about how it wouldnt be too far fetched if Suki and Ty Lee (2 non-benders) tried to learn how to take bending away(for defense, the Kyoshi warriors are at a super disadvantage without bending), combining chi-blocks and what Suki saw. He went further to say that Amon could be Ty Lee's son and she passed the secret only to him (look at the way amon moves he has so much co-ordination, and relying on well planned out moves much like how Ty Lee fights) But this is all theory crafting The Avatar's the only person ever known to take a person's bending away. There were other chi blockers even in Ty Lee's time.
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I could be wrong but I think that Giant turtle was a spirit , not sure if it would teach anyone else how to take bending besides the avatar. Although Amon DID mention something about a spirit teaching him the technique , I would be surprised if it was the chill sea turtle spirit.
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Lion turtles aren't spirits. They're the largest animals in the world (can be as big as islands) and they can speak telepathically. I think they were thought to be extinct. At the very least they're rare.
Still, I don't think you can just 'learn' to energybend. Youre either a bender or not, and if youre not, no amount of learning will give you the ability. Think wizards in Harry Potter.
Also, screenshots clearly show that energybending requires putting the hand on both the chest and forehead. Amon only puts it on the forehead. Whatever it is, its not as 'strong.'
Earthbending is bending rocks and dirt and mineral-like objects. They were able to bend crystals and things in TLA. I don't think putting it to real science will explain things. That'll just confuse them more, since its so hard to classify what 'earth' is according to the periodic table. ROCKS AND MINERALS AND SHIT. See? It's simple!
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Bending minerals and all forms of dirt and soil would actually be bending much more complicated shit than just pure iron.
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On May 18 2012 10:13 TwoToneTerran wrote: Bending minerals and all forms of dirt and soil would actually be bending much more complicated shit than just pure iron. This is something I meant to imply with my previous post and is, I think, the main reason earthbending is so impossible to precisely define in terms of how it's used in the show. My main objective in my previous post was to describe why I think metalbending is a simple extension of earthbending, regardless of the impossibility of fully understanding the exact mechanisms of both.
On May 18 2012 10:04 Crazyeyes wrote: Earthbending is bending rocks and dirt and mineral-like objects. "Dirt" is a completely meaningless word. Anything, and I mean ANYTHING, could be in what people refer to as "dirt."
On May 18 2012 10:04 Crazyeyes wrote: I don't think putting it to real science will explain things. That'll just confuse them more, since its so hard to classify what 'earth' is according to the periodic table. I agree. The scientific talk in my previous post was meant to emphasize that.
On May 18 2012 10:04 Crazyeyes wrote: ROCKS AND MINERALS AND SHIT. See? It's simple! No, it's not. It's just impossible for us to accurately explain it in "complicated" terms. On a related (but probably unintended) note, I think shitbending is totally feasible.
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Metalbending is like plant bending. While plants aren't 100% water, they're in some way made of water in such a way that it's bendable, as is Metal made of shit you dig out of the earth that earthbenders can bend even if they never tried before.
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I think it goes beyond just knowing that there is earth in the metal to bend, you probably have to be a strong earth bender in the first place before being able to pull off some metal bending, then obviously all the training that comes with mastering the style.
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Sorry everyone I just threw out my prediction without reasoning or proof. I wanted to see the reaction of the community. Now I will give you “train of thought” but first I will respond to some comments:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 16 2012 10:43 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2012 10:37 Handicap wrote: wouldnt make sense, but maybe amon is jet?????? revolution fighter whos parents were killed by fire benders. sounds like jet's story, although hed be rreally old if he was alive. which he shouldnt be since he died. something to ponder To be honest, all of this speculation really just looks to me like people over-thinking things by a lot. Amon is probably an entirely new character, he doesn't have to be a throwback to something we saw during TLA. So far I've heard: Aang's son, the kid Zuko saved in that one episode one time, Jet, Sokka, Cabbage man, Cabbage Man's son, the real Avatar, Ozai... Basically every fucking obscure or unlikely character possible. It's not something to ponder, it's not even based on any hints at all. Our knowledge of Amon is so vague that speculating based on it can't lead to any narrow conclusions and when I could say, "It's Momo in human form" and have as much of an argument for it as "That kid Zuko saved that one time" or "Jet"(who was confirmed dead) then it's pretty pointless to speculate. In reality a mask character typically means it is a character everyone is familiar with and seen throughout the show. If Amon was someone totally new there isn’t a need for a mask. If Amon was really burnt by a Fire-Bender showing it would be his shield and proof for all to see. A living, walking, and seen proof of the dangers of benders are better than a mask one. That is why I think it is a lie. With all that said, I do believe your comments are correct, Amon could be anyone. I feel the fun of having a mystery character is trying to figure out who it is, then when you find out you watch the show again to see the subtle hints throughout the series. That is why I try to figure out. I don’t think it is stupid or pointless in the least. Mysteries have to be solved and I would like to solve it before it is revealed. On May 16 2012 15:44 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2012 15:03 NeonSky wrote: So...Tarrlok seems like a pretty shifty guy. Do you guys think he has some, yet unseen, involvement with the equalists, or is it just something to misdirect the audience and his manipulative and suspicious character is merely a result of being a political mover and shaker? Before I guess about Tarrlok, I have to ask something about him: - What does he represent? Like, the other four seem to be representatives of nations, Tenzin less-so because of a lack of air nation, but he has other important connections to Republic City. So who exactly is Tarrlok? Is he one of two water tribe councillor (north and south?) or just a water bender who rose to elected politician? Basically I wonder: how did he get on the council? What's his history. Looking forward to more episodes on people's pasts tbh. It's something LoK has been avoiding I think on purpose so pasts can be released bit by bit (like the Tenzin + Lin connection). EXACTLY! When I first saw Tarrloc on the show I thought he wasn’t a Bender and he was the Non-Bender representative in the council, but he is really a water-bender. His existence in the council is “suspect” (suspicious) because, the city was built so all-bender and non-bender can live together in harmony. The decision to not have a non-bender on the council supports Amon’s theory and destroys the purpose of the city. To be honest Tarrloc’s position and actions is what make me believe he is Amon. On May 16 2012 15:50 ore0z wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2012 15:04 TheAmazombie wrote:On May 16 2012 15:03 NeonSky wrote: So...Tarrlok seems like a pretty shifty guy. Do you guys think he has some, yet unseen, involvement with the equalists, or is it just something to misdirect the audience and his manipulative and suspicious character is merely a result of being a political mover and shaker? I thought he might at first, but now I am thinking that he is just more and more a shifty politician. We will just have to see though as everything unfolds. I think Tarrlok is just a shifty politician. Amon planned from the start that the probending match would still continue, despite his threats. Tarrlok and the rest of the Council members wanted to stop the probending match. If Tarrlok was involved somehow, he would have pushed to continue the match from the beginning, despite the threats. The match only continued after Lin Beifong gauranteed everyone's safety. The reason why Tarrlok changed his mind was because of something else. Tenzin mentioned how ambitious Tarrlok is and how Tarrlok is playing Lin. Probably just a move for his own personal gain. That situation played differently for me. I would like to flashback to how he got Korra to join the Task force: Tarrlok knew exactly what would get Korra to join. I believe Tarrlok took a stance knowing Korra and Lin’s (Tenzen stated they are much alike) behavior and once they came his mind changed instantly. Also Amon’s comment hinted that he knew they weren’t going to cancel and preparation was already made. Another reason why I think he is Amon. I think, The Elitist is his personal gain.
Now my Train of thought (many spoilers here): + Show Spoiler + I believe Tarrloc is Amon because of his look, position in council and his actions:
Look which really means nothing but I will note it. I find that Amon and Tarrloc have the same build.
Position: As stated above his position seems too suspicious to avoid. Tarrloc position on the council gives him a lot of power and knowledge that could benefit The Elites greatly. What separates him from the other members is his position doesn’t make sense. When I first saw Tarrloc on the show I thought he wasn’t a Bender and he was the Non-Bender representative in the council, but he is really a water-bender. There are all elders on the council except for Tarrloc. Tarrloc is young, not an elder and is bender. His description doesn’t fit the profile or criteria for someone who should be on the city council. This situation was what initiated my suspicions of Tarrloc. (The argument could be said that Tenzen is young but, the Air tribes were wiped in the 100 Year War so their elder being much younger makes sense since Aang died.)
Actions: I think a lot of his actions in the show points to him being Amon. 1- His quick voluntary to lead the Task Force. The position gives The Elites a lot of power. The quick voluntary and action made so swiftly after Korra stating “we should fight back” make be believe he planned it all along. 2- The Task Force results. The biggest raid took down 2-3 Chi blockers and a few kids. The efforts of the task force should have done a bit more in my opinion. 3- Protecting Korra at the Aang statue. Tarrloc said he had the task force watching the tower so nothing happens to Korra. Yet, Amon and a lot of Chi Blocker were there to capture Korra. After her capture who recovers her? Tenzen? The absence of Tarrloc and the Task force members, make me to believe it was set up. 4- Tarrloc’s instant change of heart about cancelling the Pro-bending match. I stated my reasoning above. His mind changed to quickly for it to not have been planned. Other Clues: 1- Tarrlock never being around when Amon Appears. 2- Only Amon is able to complete remove the bender ability. This makes me believe that Amon is possibly a bender because only he can remove the bending ability from subject. Chi Blocking could be taught to anyone but completely removing the ability is only performed by Amon. 3- Water-Bending seams the most logical element to block bending completely. The human body has a lot of water inside, which is the reason why Katara was able to control humans in The Last Air-bender. I would not be surprised of Amon is using water bending to block or destroy something in a person’s brain to stop bending.
It is obvious the show is very early and the other episodes could prove Tarrloc isn’t Amon but that’s how I think and what I feel about it at this point. I can't wait to see the entire show. What do you guys think?
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Tarlok isn't Amon because Amon is white and Tarloc is water tribe inuit (skin tone wise). Also their voices are magnificently different, and their eyes are different colors. He is a scumbag who plays every angle to gain more power, and is indeed an antagonist, he is just definitely not Amon unless the creators greatly explain away the inherent character design differences.
His change of heart on the probending matchup was just him playing a win win situation. The second Lin offered her services he could not lose -- either she does a great job and he gets the clout for supporting her, or she screws up and loses power after taking the blame, which allows him to step into it (as he has already lead successful anti equalist missions).
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On May 19 2012 09:11 TwoToneTerran wrote: Tarlok isn't Amon because Amon is white and Tarloc is water tribe inuit (skin tone wise). Also their voices are magnificently different, and their eyes are different colors. He is a scumbag who plays every angle to gain more power, and is indeed an antagonist, he is just definitely not Amon unless the creators greatly explain away the inherent character design differences.
His change of heart on the probending matchup was just him playing a win win situation. The second Lin offered her services he could not lose -- either she does a great job and he gets the clout for supporting her, or she screws up and loses power after taking the blame, which allows him to step into it (as he has already lead successful anti equalist missions).
Yeah, I have to agree. I do think that there is still a chance that he might be connected in some way, I have to agree that there is no way that Tarlok is Amon. I think he is a sheisty and slick politician, but I also think that they are going through too much effort to make us not like him to that they can bring it back at some point and show a good side to him, something heroic or noble possibly. It would be too obvious to make the "good guy" that we don't like actually turn out to be the bad guy. This is not a normal, predictable, crappy tv show we are talking about here.
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On May 16 2012 10:43 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2012 10:37 Handicap wrote: wouldnt make sense, but maybe amon is jet?????? revolution fighter whos parents were killed by fire benders. sounds like jet's story, although hed be rreally old if he was alive. which he shouldnt be since he died. something to ponder To be honest, all of this speculation really just looks to me like people over-thinking things by a lot. Amon is probably an entirely new character, he doesn't have to be a throwback to something we saw during TLA. So far I've heard: Aang's son, the kid Zuko saved in that one episode one time, Jet, Sokka, Cabbage man, Cabbage Man's son, the real Avatar, Ozai... Basically every fucking obscure or unlikely character possible. It's not something to ponder, it's not even based on any hints at all. Our knowledge of Amon is so vague that speculating based on it can't lead to any narrow conclusions and when I could say, "It's Momo in human form" and have as much of an argument for it as "That kid Zuko saved that one time" or "Jet"(who was confirmed dead) then it's pretty pointless to speculate. I agree and it gets tiring. This happens any time theres some kind of secret identity going on. People just cant seem to accept that it could be an entirely new character and try to grasp at every straw they can find to attach a past character to the new mystery guy.
Seriously, why does the bad guy always have to be someone we've seen before? Why do people always try to speculate that some kind of M Night Shyamalan twist will happen when the mystery guy is revealed? The last thing we would ever want to influence a great show like Avatar is M Night Shya--OH GOD NOOOOOOOO
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On May 19 2012 13:23 Supamang wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2012 10:43 Mordiford wrote:On May 16 2012 10:37 Handicap wrote: wouldnt make sense, but maybe amon is jet?????? revolution fighter whos parents were killed by fire benders. sounds like jet's story, although hed be rreally old if he was alive. which he shouldnt be since he died. something to ponder To be honest, all of this speculation really just looks to me like people over-thinking things by a lot. Amon is probably an entirely new character, he doesn't have to be a throwback to something we saw during TLA. So far I've heard: Aang's son, the kid Zuko saved in that one episode one time, Jet, Sokka, Cabbage man, Cabbage Man's son, the real Avatar, Ozai... Basically every fucking obscure or unlikely character possible. It's not something to ponder, it's not even based on any hints at all. Our knowledge of Amon is so vague that speculating based on it can't lead to any narrow conclusions and when I could say, "It's Momo in human form" and have as much of an argument for it as "That kid Zuko saved that one time" or "Jet"(who was confirmed dead) then it's pretty pointless to speculate. I agree and it gets tiring. This happens any time theres some kind of secret identity going on. People just cant seem to accept that it could be an entirely new character and try to grasp at every straw they can find to attach a past character to the new mystery guy. Seriously, why does the bad guy always have to be someone we've seen before? Why do people always try to speculate that some kind of M Night Shyamalan twist will happen when the mystery guy is revealed? The last thing we would ever want to influence a great show like Avatar is M Night Shya--OH GOD NOOOOOOOO
Amon is Ty Lee and Sokka's love child who was abandoned when Zuko found out and told Suki so Zuko killed Sokka for Suki and Amon was an energy bender because Sokka had the bending gene and hates benders and teamed up with the cabbageman who also hates benders to begin the equalist movement TADA
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