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On October 14 2014 05:19 LegalLord wrote:
To expand on Miragee's point: Sometimes the bunch can be as mature as you'd expect their group to have to be, but sometimes they get into fights so petty that most 12-year-olds would not have such disagreements. In the Bato episode for example, Katara and Sokka get mad at Aang for being afraid that they might abandon him - a very natural thing to be afraid of, and something that anyone would understand. Then they just walk away from the responsibility that they agreed to: helping the Avatar, but then they somehow instantly realize that their duty was to help him. Really, a stupid turn of events that could have been avoided if Katara and Sokka were a bit more understanding. They really were a bit too excited to hear about their father, and even they should have been able to see that.
A children's show does not have to be childish. There are countless examples where the opposite is true, to a much better result than what was seen in Avatar. TLA certainly had some excellent moments, but it also had a lot more mediocre to bad episodes than Korra.
I think adults can get irrationally angry too. I do it all the time. But in the Bato episode Bato calms Katara and Sokka down. He's the responsible adult in the episode, so that doesn't really detract from the show. If the child characters were 10 years older I could see the same thing happening.
I guess it shows that it's fine to be angry sometimes but that it's important to try to make it up afterwards.
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On October 14 2014 02:15 Schmobutzen wrote:
My observation: Children are mostly inconsistent in their behavior. God, grown ups are mostly inconsistent in their behavior. That is why your argument is not a good one. If it fits with the theme and the story, than why not. But I think sometimes TLA overdid it with the childishness, in fact so, that even my girls, 8 and 6, are a little uncomfortable with it. A little, just a little. Often times strengths are weaknesses with some other light shining upon it, and vica versa.
In that light, show me a series for children with a scene like Iroh and his grief for the loss of his son. What a powerful and beautiful scene, which only is that strong because of the more lighter and childish stories that were told before it and because of the utterly awesome characterization in TLA.
Another point: Mononoke Hime is certainly not aimed at children!
Iroh's story was very sad, but Sokka talking to Toph about not remembering his mothers face takes the cake for me.
But it's not just the main characters. The whole world is suffering and they show it. They show the consequences of the war for everyone throughout all three seasons.
If you can look past a few childish moments from the characters, the show is really really great and if you enjoyed LoK you're certainly going to enjoy ATLA.
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for me nothing is sadder than iroh visiting lutens grave T_T
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On October 14 2014 10:48 Shock710 wrote:
for me nothing is sadder than iroh visiting lutens grave T_T
What about Combustion Man's death?
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On October 14 2014 11:11 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 10:48 Shock710 wrote:
for me nothing is sadder than iroh visiting lutens grave T_T What about Combustion Man's death?
TT so tragic...
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On October 14 2014 10:48 Shock710 wrote:
for me nothing is sadder than iroh visiting lutens grave T_T
I hate that episode because every time, no matter how manly I am or how well fortified the trenches of my tearducts are, I still get uncontrollable feels when I watch it.
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On October 14 2014 06:38 Frolossus wrote:
just thought of a possible plot hole. if raava and vatu are the reason the avatar exists and the avatar is killed during the avatar state; wouldn't it mean that raava could just sprout out of vatu again? then obviously merge with some new person to renew the cycle
That would just make someone like UnaVaatu. Remember, Won received the four elements from the Lion Turtles, not Raava. Merging with Raava just let him use all 4 elements without dying.
Not to say that the conditions are impossible to recreate, though. But a human would need to find four Lion Turtles that possessed the four different elements, make a partnership with a very powerful spirit, and be around during Harmonic Convergence (and the resurrection cycle might be specific to Raava).
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More of a slow episode this week.
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it did set up alot tho, movement is coming.
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On October 16 2014 02:29 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 06:38 Frolossus wrote:
just thought of a possible plot hole. if raava and vatu are the reason the avatar exists and the avatar is killed during the avatar state; wouldn't it mean that raava could just sprout out of vatu again? then obviously merge with some new person to renew the cycle That would just make someone like UnaVaatu. Remember, Won received the four elements from the Lion Turtles, not Raava. Merging with Raava just let him use all 4 elements without dying. Not to say that the conditions are impossible to recreate, though. But a human would need to find four Lion Turtles that possessed the four different elements, make a partnership with a very powerful spirit, and be around during Harmonic Convergence (and the resurrection cycle might be specific to Raava).
would they actually have to do the lion turtle thing? sure they were used for the original benders to bend their elements. but in modern society it appears that benders are born with their ability to bend an element.
you just take one bender, merge them with raava then get them to learn to bend from teachers of each element like aang
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"...Then you know what's coming for Zaofu"
I love Kuvira more and more every episode
Also this
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I loved toph in this episode lol. "My girls never got the handle of metal bending." lol
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The Eska scene was pretty awesome.
Really like Book 4 so far.
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On October 18 2014 00:35 Frolossus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2014 02:29 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 14 2014 06:38 Frolossus wrote:
just thought of a possible plot hole. if raava and vatu are the reason the avatar exists and the avatar is killed during the avatar state; wouldn't it mean that raava could just sprout out of vatu again? then obviously merge with some new person to renew the cycle That would just make someone like UnaVaatu. Remember, Won received the four elements from the Lion Turtles, not Raava. Merging with Raava just let him use all 4 elements without dying. Not to say that the conditions are impossible to recreate, though. But a human would need to find four Lion Turtles that possessed the four different elements, make a partnership with a very powerful spirit, and be around during Harmonic Convergence (and the resurrection cycle might be specific to Raava). would they actually have to do the lion turtle thing? sure they were used for the original benders to bend their elements. but in modern society it appears that benders are born with their ability to bend an element. you just take one bender, merge them with raava then get them to learn to bend from teachers of each element like aang
Again, the power to use the four elements is not related to Raava. She gives the Avatar a lot of things, like raw power, spiritual connection and probably is the enabler for the reincarnation cycle.
I can't remember, but wasn't Korra still able to bend even though she'd been separated from Raava?
Also FML Nickelodeon is giving the region locking bs. C'mon, I watched the last two episodes on your website...
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On October 18 2014 02:52 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2014 00:35 Frolossus wrote:On October 16 2014 02:29 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 14 2014 06:38 Frolossus wrote:
just thought of a possible plot hole. if raava and vatu are the reason the avatar exists and the avatar is killed during the avatar state; wouldn't it mean that raava could just sprout out of vatu again? then obviously merge with some new person to renew the cycle That would just make someone like UnaVaatu. Remember, Won received the four elements from the Lion Turtles, not Raava. Merging with Raava just let him use all 4 elements without dying. Not to say that the conditions are impossible to recreate, though. But a human would need to find four Lion Turtles that possessed the four different elements, make a partnership with a very powerful spirit, and be around during Harmonic Convergence (and the resurrection cycle might be specific to Raava). would they actually have to do the lion turtle thing? sure they were used for the original benders to bend their elements. but in modern society it appears that benders are born with their ability to bend an element. you just take one bender, merge them with raava then get them to learn to bend from teachers of each element like aang Again, the power to use the four elements is not related to Raava. She gives the Avatar a lot of things, like raw power, spiritual connection and probably is the enabler for the reincarnation cycle. I can't remember, but wasn't Korra still able to bend even though she'd been separated from Raava? Also FML Nickelodeon is giving the region locking bs. C'mon, I watched the last two episodes on your website...
the power to bend all 4 is only possible due to raava. this is why there are not benders of 2 or 3 elements.
i'm merely stating that in modern society within the show it is apparent that benders all get their bending ability independent of the lion turtles
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On October 18 2014 04:39 Frolossus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2014 02:52 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 18 2014 00:35 Frolossus wrote:On October 16 2014 02:29 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 14 2014 06:38 Frolossus wrote:
just thought of a possible plot hole. if raava and vatu are the reason the avatar exists and the avatar is killed during the avatar state; wouldn't it mean that raava could just sprout out of vatu again? then obviously merge with some new person to renew the cycle That would just make someone like UnaVaatu. Remember, Won received the four elements from the Lion Turtles, not Raava. Merging with Raava just let him use all 4 elements without dying. Not to say that the conditions are impossible to recreate, though. But a human would need to find four Lion Turtles that possessed the four different elements, make a partnership with a very powerful spirit, and be around during Harmonic Convergence (and the resurrection cycle might be specific to Raava). would they actually have to do the lion turtle thing? sure they were used for the original benders to bend their elements. but in modern society it appears that benders are born with their ability to bend an element. you just take one bender, merge them with raava then get them to learn to bend from teachers of each element like aang Again, the power to use the four elements is not related to Raava. She gives the Avatar a lot of things, like raw power, spiritual connection and probably is the enabler for the reincarnation cycle. I can't remember, but wasn't Korra still able to bend even though she'd been separated from Raava? Also FML Nickelodeon is giving the region locking bs. C'mon, I watched the last two episodes on your website... the power to bend all 4 is only possible due to raava. this is why there are not benders of 2 or 3 elements. i'm merely stating that in modern society within the show it is apparent that benders all get their bending ability independent of the lion turtles
It's possible because of Raava, but not specific too Raava. She was just a vessel to contain the power for Won so he didn't kill himself, and when they merged he could use all for at once.
I'm pretty sure that anyone else could make a deal with a powerful spirit and find a few Lion Turtles, and could use multiple elements in the same way. But the actual Avatar cycle and inheritance of the four elements through birth is probably because Raava's soul (which reincarnates) was merged with Won's soul (which had access to all four elements).
Which is probably why dying in the Avatar state ends the cycle. Raava might reincarnate after 10,000 years, but the human part with the bending powers would not.
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Varric is a god damn genius. First magnetism and now spirit power? Jesus, man. Favorite character 10/10.
Other than that, I absolutely loved how Toph man handled Korra. It's no secret that the benders in LoK are a degree worse than the benders in TLA. I mean Toph was only like 8 years old back then and she could travel faster than a speeding train, hold up entire buildings and basically invent metal bending. Nowadays, the strongest benders can just shoot little blasts like the fodder in TLA could. It was just so refreshing to see her again.
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Did Zhu Li ever talk before? She's generally rather silent so I don't remember.
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Yeah, she talked in season 2, for example when varrick asked "how long until unalaq tells us what kind of cookies we can eat" she replies "probably a couple of days".
Oh, and later, during the mover premiere, she brought varrick bad news without telling him good news first and thn told him some old news.
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This was a very interesting set-up episode.
I love old Toph. She's gruff, has a total no non-sense/no bullshit attitude, and is borderline mean in her manhandling of Korra. The leftover poison certainly could explain a lot. It's likely the direct reason of the Avatar hallucination, and her general weakness.
The "plot twist" about Kuvira taking over was foreseen by everyone I'm sure, so there's hardly any need to discuss it. The ramifications, however, are interesting. Mostly the fight between Mako and Bolin. I'm pretty sure that is here to stay and will last for most of the season, or at least a few episodes. Same goes for Su Yin and Zaofu. I guess we can expect an invasion of sorts on the metal city.
It's also clear to me that "Prince" Wu has an arc set up for him. Not a redemption arc per se, but it looks like he's going to snap out of his royal stupidity and become relevant. Possibly get things done and overthrow Kuvira by the end of the season to become a potent and well-liked ruler. Not unlike Kuei's path.
The most interesting thing to me in this episode is Varrick's apparent harvesting of spirit vines. I suspect it will play a major role, especially in drawing Korra back in, since it is essentially messing with the spirits. Something the Avatar can't have happen. On the other hand, Korra did say she wouldn't be meddling between spirits and humans when she opened the portals... so maybe not. Huh.
All in all, really good episode. Loving Book 4 so far.
PS: I also agree with Hyperbola. Except for a select few (mostly villains, i.e. Amon; Tarrlok; the Red Lotus; etc.) benders tend to be less powerful than they were in TLA. I believe this is intentional, and due to technology catching up to bending in terms of power and utility. People in their every day life don't have to rely as much on bending, so its ways kind of become lost. At least, that's the impression I'm getting. With Toph back, we get some of the good ol' bending back, and yeah, she's an absolute badass. Probably would have made short work of UnaVaatu, hehe.
edit: Also, is it me, or do you also get the slightest hint of wavering loyalty from Zhu Li to Varrick? She seems less enthusiastic and more harsh in her behaviour. She doesn't give off that happy slave impression she did in earlier seasons. Maybe a betrayal plot incoming?
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