EPT[TV] The Legend of Korra - Page 228
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xpldngmn
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Miragee
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 On October 11 2014 19:51 Capped wrote: So i tried watching the start of Avatar: The last airbender last night and it just feels way too childish for me, it reminds me of Ben 10 lol, i guess thats the "western" feel of it, i'll give it another go but the 40min pilot didn't leave me wanting more at all. To be honest, TLA _is_ really childish. It has some great humor in it if that's your type of humor (for me, Toph and Sokka were just great) but a lot of the drama and flow of the drama is very childish indeed. | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
In my opinion, it is more about LoK being a lot more mature in contrast. Well, perhaps not mature per se, because there is some pretty cringeworthy love triangle material in Book 1, but yeah, the show generally has a more serious tone. Especially since Book 3. What plays a big part in TLA's apparent childishness is probably Aang's behaviour. He is kind of a major dork. I personally still rank TLA above LoK, though LoK is catching up with Book 3, and so far Book 4 as well. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
Korra stopped those after S1. Major plus in how it plays out. | ||
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rebdomine
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Miragee
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On October 13 2014 10:17 LegalLord wrote: TLA's main characters honestly act like children with the way they have petty fights that any somewhat mature individual would know to avoid (one of the more annoying examples was the one in the Bato episode). Maybe it was meant to show how young they are, but I didn't get that impression. Definitely a low point of that series. Korra stopped those after S1. Major plus in how it plays out. This is what I meant. Especially because some of the characters are so inconsistent (Aang and Katara...). The resolve of the drama is the same, every time but next time a drama starts it is as if the last drama never happened. I would put LoK over TLA in almost any aspect but humor. Character writing is much better, drama is more mature since S2 (it's still far from being the pinnacle of all that is) and story writing is much more fluid. TLA often times had a lot of annoying and unnecessary fillers. On October 13 2014 11:34 rebdomine wrote: Aren't the TLA characters much younger than the LoK chars? Aang is pretty much a 12 year old, and Sokka is clearly not the pinnacle of maturity despite him being the eldest in the group. Azula is crazy, and Zuko has a ton of issues. I believe Aang/Katara are 12, Sokka should be around 14, Azula is 15 and Zuko is 17? Toph should be the youngest in their group. For LoK I believe they are all around 17 in book 1 so they should be around 20 now? | ||
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Koerage
Netherlands1220 Posts
On October 13 2014 17:16 Miragee wrote: I believe Aang/Katara are 12, Sokka should be around 14, Azula is 15 and Zuko is 17? Toph should be the youngest in their group. For LoK I believe they are all around 17 in book 1 so they should be around 20 now? iirc Aang's 12, Sokka is 2 years older than Katara and i thought Katara was also older than Aang but i do not remember that exactly. Zuko's 16 and Azula is 14, Toph was 10 I think... (this is all at the start of the series ofc, at it takes about a year iirc) LoK was 16/17 -> 19/20 now i believe, altho im not sure how old Mako and Bolin are considering they're brothers. Mako is probably somewhat older than the rest or Bolin is a bit younger, but not alot. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On October 13 2014 20:22 Koerage wrote: iirc Aang's 12, Sokka is 2 years older than Katara and i thought Katara was also older than Aang but i do not remember that exactly. Zuko's 16 and Azula is 14, Toph was 10 I think... (this is all at the start of the series ofc, at it takes about a year iirc) LoK was 16/17 -> 19/20 now i believe, altho im not sure how old Mako and Bolin are considering they're brothers. Mako is probably somewhat older than the rest or Bolin is a bit younger, but not alot. Ok the age group: Aang 12 Katara 14 Sokka 16 Zuko 16 Azula 14 Toph 12 (she's same age as Aang, just more badass obv). LOK Korra: Starts 17, turns 18 before book 2, is now 21 Bolin: Starts 16/17 and is now 19/20 Mako: Starts 18 (IIRC might be 17 depending on bolin's age) is 20/21 now | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
Doesn't matter though. I'm really not liking this discussion on maturity of content in the show. | ||
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Miragee
8657 Posts
On October 13 2014 23:22 obesechicken13 wrote: Sokka's 15 in LoK. Doesn't matter though. I'm really not liking this discussion on maturity of content in the show. Why not? That discussion is legit. It's not to make films/series look bad because they are aimed at children. I for one think that most series/films that aim for adults aren't really more "mature" than those aimed at children. But there is certainly a difference between aimed at children and being childish. The handling of aforementioned themes like murder, genocide etc. are handled pretty well in TLA imho. But the drama/character interaction is not. And it's not really about them being shown with childish behavior but more about the inconsistency of their childish/mature behavior and connection between events. I probably will be slapped for this comparison but I will do it anyways: Films like Mononoke Hime or Chihiro are both aimed at children as well. But they handle character interaction/drama in an excellent way (while also handling themes such as greed, war, gender disrespect etc. really well). | ||
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Schmobutzen
Germany284 Posts
In that light, show me a series for children with a scene like Iroh and his grief for the loss of his son. What a powerful and beautiful scene, which only is that strong because of the more lighter and childish stories that were told before it and because of the utterly awesome characterization in TLA. Another point: Mononoke Hime is certainly not aimed at children! | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
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Darkened
Bulgaria105 Posts
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Miragee
8657 Posts
On October 14 2014 02:15 Schmobutzen wrote: My observation: Children are mostly inconsistent in their behavior. God, grown ups are mostly inconsistent in their behavior. That is why your argument is not a good one. If it fits with the theme and the story, than why not. But I think sometimes TLA overdid it with the childishness, in fact so, that even my girls, 8 and 6, are a little uncomfortable with it. A little, just a little. Often times strengths are weaknesses with some other light shining upon it, and vica versa. In that light, show me a series for children with a scene like Iroh and his grief for the loss of his son. What a powerful and beautiful scene, which only is that strong because of the more lighter and childish stories that were told before it and because of the utterly awesome characterization in TLA. Another point: Mononoke Hime is certainly not aimed at children! Well I agree on the Iroh part. As said, those things were handled very well in TLA. About the inconsistency: That's not really what I meant. It's hard to explain. It's not about characters reacting different to similar situation, that's reasonable. It's more like they act childish at one point, then they act completly mature without hesitation or anything and then childish again with no reference to the solution of the same drama in point 1 whatsoever. It feels like the characters are disconnected from their experiences in the past, that's what I meant with inconsistency. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
A children's show does not have to be childish. There are countless examples where the opposite is true, to a much better result than what was seen in Avatar. TLA certainly had some excellent moments, but it also had a lot more mediocre to bad episodes than Korra. | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
TLA had a few fillers, and some awful ones (hello The Great Divide), but I'd have to say most episodes are still absolutely awesome. I'd say I can count the bad episodes of TLA on one hand. LoK, by definition, will have less since it has less episodes... But it takes a while to take off, and the ambiance is so different from TLA. Korra arrives in Republic City and nearly everyone shits on her. Rewatching it recently, it struck me more than it did before because my friend pointed it out. While I personally don't find that bad, because I know how the plot and the characters develop, I understand how it could be unsettling after the rather joyful atmosphere of Aang's group. Also, and as bad as episodes like The Great Divide may be, TLA did not give us the Power Ranger-like fight we had between Korra and UnaVaatu. That isn't childish by any means, but damn, it was bad. Overall, I'd say Book 2 disappointed me more than any TLA episode did. It's not the amount of bad episodes per se, but more the development and execution of the story, the slow start, and so on. Again though, I have to say that with Book 3 and 4, LoK is getting high up there for me. Anyway... Yes, TLA had flaws, notably the (few) fillers and the underdevelopped main villain, but I still think it is superior to LoK. To each their own though. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
The world of Korra is a lot different from Aang's. Aang has been gone for 100 years, and pretty much no one expected him to be around. He gets around relatively easily because of that; the villains have mostly grown soft (i.e. Zhao, Long Feng, most of the other villains with the exception of Azula and friends). Korra, on the other hand, was expected for a long time by Amon/Zaheer/Unalaq etc, and they really thought their plans through quite thoroughly. So Korra is thrown into a world where she was expected, and where the villains are smart and powerful enough to take advantage of her underdeveloped understanding of her role as avatar. Aang was generally invincible in the avatar state, but Korra isn't. That's what I think best explains the difference between the pacing of the two stories (episode-wise, it will be 52 vs 61, which is a small difference). TLA also starts out quite slow - they throw a ton of filler into the very beginning, which is rather an uninteresting way to start a series. What strikes me most is the group's childish outlook on all these happenings, which severely detracts from my enjoyment of the story. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
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Miragee
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On October 14 2014 06:38 Frolossus wrote: just thought of a possible plot hole. if raava and vatu are the reason the avatar exists and the avatar is killed during the avatar state; wouldn't it mean that raava could just sprout out of vatu again? then obviously merge with some new person to renew the cycle Possibly. Would take a while though. If you think about it, it would take about 10000 years for raava to sprout out of vaatu again, wouldn't it? And while this certainly came to my mind as well, I don't think of this a plot hole. Could be just human failure (of Zaheers plan) or something else that wasn't explained yet. | ||
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