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On December 08 2012 04:34 lifeisgood99 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 01:18 xi Tempest x wrote: What the hell just happened in episode 10 of I miss you!? They better have a good explanation for it because if they don't it has ruined one of the top dramas of the year for me... It's might be because of bad subs but I also felt some incoherence in ep 10. First,I felt that the reunion between the mom and the daughter was kinda rushed. The mom just recognises her without more explanation. Then, after Ah Reum gets off the car, LSY asks Harry if he's HJW's brother. Did I miss something important here? Someone explain pls. The characters also all have horrible field of vision, but that's like a trademark of kdramas.
+ Show Spoiler +LSY asks Harry if HJW is Ah Reum's brother. LSY also asks Harry if he took her to visit HJW's house knowingly. Harry responds with what does it matter.
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On December 05 2012 03:14 Vorgrim wrote: Avoid oohlala couple like the plague. I was going to ask why since everyone seems to like it. Then I started watching it and this acting is seriously insufferable. Not that the quality of acting is poor, just the way they portray the character switch is head-bashingly bad. After the switch, the male lead's acting seems far too one dimensional, and the female lead just overexaggerates to the point where it's not even believable anymore. Nor are the two entertaining. I would also find most of the humor funny if I was still 14 or something. As of now it just seems overdone and forced - not that there aren't amusing moments in it, but seriously some of this is material for spongebob or something.
Honestly I just want to see how they begin to understand each other. One thing I do like is that they capture the attitude of ahjummas pretty poignantly. I feel like all middle-aged Asian ladies act like she does, so to some extent this show has some redeemable qualities. I'm only 5 episodes in so hopefully this ages well.
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It's worth watching if you made it through that part, andy. I have more gripes with it, but nothing that isn't par for the course in Kdrama.
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yeah the first part of ohlala couple is kinda not very good but then it gets really really good toward the end ! it was one of the better dramas iv seen lately !
uhh starting autum in my heart . lets see how this goes LOL
actuly i have one question , yall said that autum in my heart was sad .. but like how sad is it ? o.0
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i miss you gets better and better WHY SO GOOD FOR???????????? seriously really good, the main actor grew on me, really enjoy the cast overall now
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Anyone else watching School 2013? That shit is intense.
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On December 12 2012 12:32 lifeisgood99 wrote: Anyone else watching School 2013? That shit is intense.
I'll be catching it after I finish Tree With Deep Roots, hope its good. Is it similar to Reply 1997 at all?
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On December 12 2012 12:36 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 12:32 lifeisgood99 wrote: Anyone else watching School 2013? That shit is intense. I'll be catching it after I finish Tree With Deep Roots, hope its good. Is it similar to Reply 1997 at all?
Not at all. Its main point is dark and is about serious problems. Interesting and not cliche.
The personality of the drama shows up quickly so by the end of ep1 you should already feel if you like that kind of drama or not.
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On December 12 2012 12:32 lifeisgood99 wrote: Anyone else watching School 2013? That shit is intense.
true, that. in episode 4 and not a single boring moment. loving it!
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Watching School 2013 as well, really good so far.
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On December 09 2012 00:57 Vorgrim wrote: It's worth watching if you made it through that part, andy. I have more gripes with it, but nothing that isn't par for the course in Kdrama. well vorg, I'm sad that you got pooped on. If you're reading this, you were half right. I'm not sure if it was worth it to watch all 18 episodes, but I enjoyed the message Ohlala Couples tried to bring across. Usually I keep the comments on Viki off, but I sometimes turn them on because it's amusing reading other people's reactions. Unfortunately this wasn't the case for this drama. I saw a lot of fangirls bitching about the ending, which kind of boggles my mind. I think this is clearly a testament to the age demographic that views these dramas, particularly on Viki.
I think I'll have to spoiler this. + Show Spoiler [long] +So, Go Soo Nam ends up marrying Na Yeo Ok, which a lot of people had a problem with. Judging by their choice of semantics sprinkled with a plethora of emoticons, most of these people seem to be teenage fangirls. A lot of the comments seemed to mire in mutual hatred of the male lead, accusations of the directors/writers scripting the drama poorly, and disgust at the show’s attempts to force ‘traditional family/social values on today’s youths.
I feel like they’re forgetting the overall picture and focusing far too much on the details. The entire point of the show, including all the silly plot devices such as switching souls, divorce, cheating, realization, forgiveness, redemption, was to orchestrate the author’s interpretation on the mechanics of faith, forgiveness, and love.
In some ways, I saw the influence of the Hellenic tragic hero. In order to grow as a character, one must commit a wrong, suffer for that wrongdoing, and in repentance, learn from his error in order to gain redemption. Aristotle maintained that inherent virtue was a characteristic that defined all tragic heroes, and you can clearly see it in the male lead. Was he an asshole for cheating on his wife? Sure. A lot of the comments in the beginning were clamoring about the inequality of the soul swap. GSN was the one that cheated yet NYO had to suffer as well? To every problem, there’s no such thing as a one-sided coin. Yet we can’t really blame his wife for an equal amount of wrongdoing. She contributed and maybe exacerbated the reason for his infidelity, but ultimately, he was the one that broke their vow. Either way, both parties were at fault, which is why the soul-swap makes sense. For them to have truly understood why and how they erred, they needed to walk in their partner’s shoes, literally and metaphorically.
That brings me to the miscarriage, which a lot of people also seem to enjoy heaping the blame on the husband. Technically, he wasn’t even the one to cause the child to miscarry – all he did was accidentally trigger an asthma attack (that he had no foreknowledge of) while sympathetically saving a pitiful person’s life. His character was forced into a circumstance that ‘killed the child and potentially could’ve killed her body.’ Again, I can’t find any issue with his altruism. It was simply the wrong people at the wrong place at the wrong time.
In turn, this segways into a discussion of how Victoria’s character was written. Her depiction was the only thing I had a hard time comprehending in this series. It’s like the writers suddenly went schizophrenic and didn’t know whether to portray her in a sympathetic or pessimistic light. At first, she was the homewrecker that broke up their family, but then we get a glimpse into her pathetic life (I use pathetic because her past seriously invokes empathy and pity from the audience. Abandoned by her biological parents, raped by foster parents, rejected by biological parents again, heart condition, etc). Later on she actually has the gall to tell the ex-wife to leave? What in the fuck? How am I supposed to sympathize with her, even with her past? First she’s a weaselly woman, then she’s a damaged angel, then she’s just spiteful (albeit done out of concern), and finally at the end she’s a non-factor? Come the fuck on. Plus she’s not even attractive, has the most boring fat face ever, always has this retarded pouty puppy-dog look, and kind of clingy.. now I’m simply inserting biases and rambling.
I also wanted to take a moment to mention some dude in the comments that kept saying shit like ‘BITCHES DON’T KNOW HOW TO BE HAPPY. WHAT THE FUCK SHE’S SO ANNOYING WHY CAN’T SHE JUST DECIDE ALREADY’ about the female lead. He repeated it several times in different episodes, which I found kind of funny and irking at the same time. For one, you know when you have good actors/characters when your audience is so polarized, and split clearly by gender. The females tended to rag on the male lead for being an overall douchebag, and the males seemed to rag on the female lead for being so indecisive, confusing, and well, so feminine. At the same time, his comments were annoying as hell because this kid is obviously like 16-20 and can’t tone down his misogynistic tendencies.
Anyways, the ending is where it’s all tied up together, and I rather enjoyed the ending. This couple started out as a way to undo the wrongdoings of their past lives, and to expound fate’s hand in the course of everyone’s life. If she had married with Jang Hyun Woo at the end, that entire segment about their past lives, the way fate plays a role in life, and the justice that karma brings about, would have all been fluff and not actual substance. Their entire soul-swap and the first 10 episodes would’ve just been garbage tossed out the window. Of course, tying the long separated couple who were united in lost affection would’ve made for a more fairy-tale ending, but ultimately it doesn’t make sense for them to be together.
To an extent I understand where all that viewer angst is coming from. There’s this perfect dude who was the female lead’s first love, grew up with the guy, perfect in almost every aspect, altruistic to the end and innocent of wrongdoing. On the other hand, you have this scumbag that cheated on NYO and completely took her for granted, while unable to recognize his error until it was already too late. In today’s society with more empowered women, the choice is pretty clear-cut. But it’s not just about a black-and-white who’s done more wrong than who, or who’s a better candidate for lifetime partnerships. As the two meddling mystical characters keep saying (I fucking hated these two too, but you can’t really complain too much about plot devices.), it’s not fate that decides the future, it’s the choices you make that have the most impact.
Overall, I’m of the opinion that the entire premise at the outset of the show was inherently flawed. It starts out as a light rocom fit for teenage girls/guys - all the while with a much deeper, hard to grasp message in the minds of the writers. Suddenly, the fun ends as it grows up into a melodrama targeted at middle-aged women and completely alienates its original audience. It’s unfortunate because I really liked the themes that it tried to portray at the end – fate is both a pervasive obstacle in life and something to be molded at the same time. The first like 8-ish episodes were seriously a struggle to power through though. Guess that generation gap is a serious obstacle as well.
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school 2013 is fucking amazing.
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Does anyone know a good drama where the chracters use a standard Korean accent ?
I'm studying Korean at the moment and I would like to know what I can pick up from conversations already. I thought any drama would be ok and I watched Reply 1997 because everyone was telling it is good, but I understood very little of what was said without watching the subtitles.
I thought it was just because I was a noob in Korean and it was ok, but at the moments when Seo In Guk says things with a "Seoul accent" and Eunji asks him to use the Busan dialect, I can at least pick up words from the sentences in Seoul dialect, whereas I don't understand a thing when the Busan dialect is used, so maybe watching a drama with a standard accent could be helpful after all.
Is Reply 1997 the only drama to focus heavily on a particular dialect while most of the other dramas are fine, or should I try some specific ones if I want to hear Korean as it is pronounced in learning audios (which is, I suppose, the Seoul accent) ?
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Almost every drama I have seen has the Seoul accent minus a few characters here and there. Reply 1997 and Haeundae Lovers are the only two dramas that I have seen so far that predominantly feature 사투리(satoori, or dialect). So I guess you can go ahead and pick any drama you like depending on your preferences.
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Thank you for your answer, I guess I will watch Nice Guy then, since everyone here seems to recommend it.
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 12 2012 17:08 andyrau wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 00:57 Vorgrim wrote: It's worth watching if you made it through that part, andy. I have more gripes with it, but nothing that isn't par for the course in Kdrama. well vorg, I'm sad that you got pooped on. If you're reading this, you were half right. I'm not sure if it was worth it to watch all 18 episodes, but I enjoyed the message Ohlala Couples tried to bring across. Usually I keep the comments on Viki off, but I sometimes turn them on because it's amusing reading other people's reactions. Unfortunately this wasn't the case for this drama. I saw a lot of fangirls bitching about the ending, which kind of boggles my mind. I think this is clearly a testament to the age demographic that views these dramas, particularly on Viki. I think I'll have to spoiler this. + Show Spoiler [long] +So, Go Soo Nam ends up marrying Na Yeo Ok, which a lot of people had a problem with. Judging by their choice of semantics sprinkled with a plethora of emoticons, most of these people seem to be teenage fangirls. A lot of the comments seemed to mire in mutual hatred of the male lead, accusations of the directors/writers scripting the drama poorly, and disgust at the show’s attempts to force ‘traditional family/social values on today’s youths.
I feel like they’re forgetting the overall picture and focusing far too much on the details. The entire point of the show, including all the silly plot devices such as switching souls, divorce, cheating, realization, forgiveness, redemption, was to orchestrate the author’s interpretation on the mechanics of faith, forgiveness, and love.
In some ways, I saw the influence of the Hellenic tragic hero. In order to grow as a character, one must commit a wrong, suffer for that wrongdoing, and in repentance, learn from his error in order to gain redemption. Aristotle maintained that inherent virtue was a characteristic that defined all tragic heroes, and you can clearly see it in the male lead. Was he an asshole for cheating on his wife? Sure. A lot of the comments in the beginning were clamoring about the inequality of the soul swap. GSN was the one that cheated yet NYO had to suffer as well? To every problem, there’s no such thing as a one-sided coin. Yet we can’t really blame his wife for an equal amount of wrongdoing. She contributed and maybe exacerbated the reason for his infidelity, but ultimately, he was the one that broke their vow. Either way, both parties were at fault, which is why the soul-swap makes sense. For them to have truly understood why and how they erred, they needed to walk in their partner’s shoes, literally and metaphorically.
That brings me to the miscarriage, which a lot of people also seem to enjoy heaping the blame on the husband. Technically, he wasn’t even the one to cause the child to miscarry – all he did was accidentally trigger an asthma attack (that he had no foreknowledge of) while sympathetically saving a pitiful person’s life. His character was forced into a circumstance that ‘killed the child and potentially could’ve killed her body.’ Again, I can’t find any issue with his altruism. It was simply the wrong people at the wrong place at the wrong time.
In turn, this segways into a discussion of how Victoria’s character was written. Her depiction was the only thing I had a hard time comprehending in this series. It’s like the writers suddenly went schizophrenic and didn’t know whether to portray her in a sympathetic or pessimistic light. At first, she was the homewrecker that broke up their family, but then we get a glimpse into her pathetic life (I use pathetic because her past seriously invokes empathy and pity from the audience. Abandoned by her biological parents, raped by foster parents, rejected by biological parents again, heart condition, etc). Later on she actually has the gall to tell the ex-wife to leave? What in the fuck? How am I supposed to sympathize with her, even with her past? First she’s a weaselly woman, then she’s a damaged angel, then she’s just spiteful (albeit done out of concern), and finally at the end she’s a non-factor? Come the fuck on. Plus she’s not even attractive, has the most boring fat face ever, always has this retarded pouty puppy-dog look, and kind of clingy.. now I’m simply inserting biases and rambling.
I also wanted to take a moment to mention some dude in the comments that kept saying shit like ‘BITCHES DON’T KNOW HOW TO BE HAPPY. WHAT THE FUCK SHE’S SO ANNOYING WHY CAN’T SHE JUST DECIDE ALREADY’ about the female lead. He repeated it several times in different episodes, which I found kind of funny and irking at the same time. For one, you know when you have good actors/characters when your audience is so polarized, and split clearly by gender. The females tended to rag on the male lead for being an overall douchebag, and the males seemed to rag on the female lead for being so indecisive, confusing, and well, so feminine. At the same time, his comments were annoying as hell because this kid is obviously like 16-20 and can’t tone down his misogynistic tendencies.
Anyways, the ending is where it’s all tied up together, and I rather enjoyed the ending. This couple started out as a way to undo the wrongdoings of their past lives, and to expound fate’s hand in the course of everyone’s life. If she had married with Jang Hyun Woo at the end, that entire segment about their past lives, the way fate plays a role in life, and the justice that karma brings about, would have all been fluff and not actual substance. Their entire soul-swap and the first 10 episodes would’ve just been garbage tossed out the window. Of course, tying the long separated couple who were united in lost affection would’ve made for a more fairy-tale ending, but ultimately it doesn’t make sense for them to be together.
To an extent I understand where all that viewer angst is coming from. There’s this perfect dude who was the female lead’s first love, grew up with the guy, perfect in almost every aspect, altruistic to the end and innocent of wrongdoing. On the other hand, you have this scumbag that cheated on NYO and completely took her for granted, while unable to recognize his error until it was already too late. In today’s society with more empowered women, the choice is pretty clear-cut. But it’s not just about a black-and-white who’s done more wrong than who, or who’s a better candidate for lifetime partnerships. As the two meddling mystical characters keep saying (I fucking hated these two too, but you can’t really complain too much about plot devices.), it’s not fate that decides the future, it’s the choices you make that have the most impact.
Overall, I’m of the opinion that the entire premise at the outset of the show was inherently flawed. It starts out as a light rocom fit for teenage girls/guys - all the while with a much deeper, hard to grasp message in the minds of the writers. Suddenly, the fun ends as it grows up into a melodrama targeted at middle-aged women and completely alienates its original audience. It’s unfortunate because I really liked the themes that it tried to portray at the end – fate is both a pervasive obstacle in life and something to be molded at the same time. The first like 8-ish episodes were seriously a struggle to power through though. Guess that generation gap is a serious obstacle as well.
i completely agree with you ! ohlala couple >>>> + Show Spoiler + i can see how some people wouldnt like how it turned into a total ajumma drama because it started off so romcomy (probly not a word but whatever) but it seriously made the show alot better PLUS NYO IS SUPER ADOREABLE AND AWSOME , when we found out she had cancer i seriously got soooo fucking sad and was like T_T NUUU NYO <3 and the ending was really good like you could kinda see how it was gona end , like it really did add alot more depth marketing it toward a "older" audience because the storys show alot more emotions , i really really really liked this drama and how it started all fun so you start to like the characters then it gets really deep and dark and she misses her kid and sad , ima stop ranting you already covered all the bases on this wonderful drama xD
but on another note does anybody know of any really light hearted romcoms that are pretty ok ? im goign on a trip and dont want my family to see me cry LOL
Thanks in advance !!! <3
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I refuse to struggle through anything. I dropped ohlala couple in ep 2.
Stopped Nice Guy at 16 I think. Gentlemans dignity at 18. There's a ton more I've dropped because I couldn't care less about how it ended. Most recent is Hong Gil Dong at around 4 or 5.
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well sometimes the ending is better then most of the drama !!! but i kinda understand where your coming from
So i take it you cannot watch tv shows that are made in the states ? because they are terrible and draw themselfs out alot longer then kdramas ! but most kdramas lkinda trail out at some point , what ones have you finished if you dont mind me asking hehe maybe youll say a good one that is perfect the whole way through !!!!
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Reading a couple pages back in this thread, I can see that some of you are frustrated with the way certain stories unfold. This made me think about the quality of subs you guys are getting and I'm thinking that some of these frustrations may be attributed to bad translations. I remember the last time I checked up English fansubs for kdrama the quality of subs ranged from professional all the way down to a partial rewrite of the original script. I wonder if it's gotten any better now and makes me think that some of these "wtf" moments some of you are having are due to plot continuity errors created from mistranslations(aka partial rewrites).
If anyone feels that there's something very out of place in a scene in a drama, feel free to let me know if you want me to take a look at it. I'm not an authority on the Korean language, but I'm fluent enough to pick up almost all the dialogue in a typical series that isn't a period drama or an intense series with a bunch of technical jargon e.g. a political drama. I usually pick away at little faults and discontinuities in drama plots, so it'd be interesting to discover new ones or to re-examine some scenes again and maybe find some hilarious mistranslations.
It's good to see that this thread is more lively now and maybe now I can stop being a lurker on TL.
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On December 12 2012 17:08 andyrau wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 00:57 Vorgrim wrote: It's worth watching if you made it through that part, andy. I have more gripes with it, but nothing that isn't par for the course in Kdrama. well vorg, I'm sad that you got pooped on. If you're reading this, you were half right. I'm not sure if it was worth it to watch all 18 episodes, but I enjoyed the message Ohlala Couples tried to bring across. Usually I keep the comments on Viki off, but I sometimes turn them on because it's amusing reading other people's reactions. Unfortunately this wasn't the case for this drama. I saw a lot of fangirls bitching about the ending, which kind of boggles my mind. I think this is clearly a testament to the age demographic that views these dramas, particularly on Viki. I think I'll have to spoiler this. + Show Spoiler [long] +So, Go Soo Nam ends up marrying Na Yeo Ok, which a lot of people had a problem with. Judging by their choice of semantics sprinkled with a plethora of emoticons, most of these people seem to be teenage fangirls. A lot of the comments seemed to mire in mutual hatred of the male lead, accusations of the directors/writers scripting the drama poorly, and disgust at the show’s attempts to force ‘traditional family/social values on today’s youths.
I feel like they’re forgetting the overall picture and focusing far too much on the details. The entire point of the show, including all the silly plot devices such as switching souls, divorce, cheating, realization, forgiveness, redemption, was to orchestrate the author’s interpretation on the mechanics of faith, forgiveness, and love.
In some ways, I saw the influence of the Hellenic tragic hero. In order to grow as a character, one must commit a wrong, suffer for that wrongdoing, and in repentance, learn from his error in order to gain redemption. Aristotle maintained that inherent virtue was a characteristic that defined all tragic heroes, and you can clearly see it in the male lead. Was he an asshole for cheating on his wife? Sure. A lot of the comments in the beginning were clamoring about the inequality of the soul swap. GSN was the one that cheated yet NYO had to suffer as well? To every problem, there’s no such thing as a one-sided coin. Yet we can’t really blame his wife for an equal amount of wrongdoing. She contributed and maybe exacerbated the reason for his infidelity, but ultimately, he was the one that broke their vow. Either way, both parties were at fault, which is why the soul-swap makes sense. For them to have truly understood why and how they erred, they needed to walk in their partner’s shoes, literally and metaphorically.
That brings me to the miscarriage, which a lot of people also seem to enjoy heaping the blame on the husband. Technically, he wasn’t even the one to cause the child to miscarry – all he did was accidentally trigger an asthma attack (that he had no foreknowledge of) while sympathetically saving a pitiful person’s life. His character was forced into a circumstance that ‘killed the child and potentially could’ve killed her body.’ Again, I can’t find any issue with his altruism. It was simply the wrong people at the wrong place at the wrong time.
In turn, this segways into a discussion of how Victoria’s character was written. Her depiction was the only thing I had a hard time comprehending in this series. It’s like the writers suddenly went schizophrenic and didn’t know whether to portray her in a sympathetic or pessimistic light. At first, she was the homewrecker that broke up their family, but then we get a glimpse into her pathetic life (I use pathetic because her past seriously invokes empathy and pity from the audience. Abandoned by her biological parents, raped by foster parents, rejected by biological parents again, heart condition, etc). Later on she actually has the gall to tell the ex-wife to leave? What in the fuck? How am I supposed to sympathize with her, even with her past? First she’s a weaselly woman, then she’s a damaged angel, then she’s just spiteful (albeit done out of concern), and finally at the end she’s a non-factor? Come the fuck on. Plus she’s not even attractive, has the most boring fat face ever, always has this retarded pouty puppy-dog look, and kind of clingy.. now I’m simply inserting biases and rambling.
I also wanted to take a moment to mention some dude in the comments that kept saying shit like ‘BITCHES DON’T KNOW HOW TO BE HAPPY. WHAT THE FUCK SHE’S SO ANNOYING WHY CAN’T SHE JUST DECIDE ALREADY’ about the female lead. He repeated it several times in different episodes, which I found kind of funny and irking at the same time. For one, you know when you have good actors/characters when your audience is so polarized, and split clearly by gender. The females tended to rag on the male lead for being an overall douchebag, and the males seemed to rag on the female lead for being so indecisive, confusing, and well, so feminine. At the same time, his comments were annoying as hell because this kid is obviously like 16-20 and can’t tone down his misogynistic tendencies.
Anyways, the ending is where it’s all tied up together, and I rather enjoyed the ending. This couple started out as a way to undo the wrongdoings of their past lives, and to expound fate’s hand in the course of everyone’s life. If she had married with Jang Hyun Woo at the end, that entire segment about their past lives, the way fate plays a role in life, and the justice that karma brings about, would have all been fluff and not actual substance. Their entire soul-swap and the first 10 episodes would’ve just been garbage tossed out the window. Of course, tying the long separated couple who were united in lost affection would’ve made for a more fairy-tale ending, but ultimately it doesn’t make sense for them to be together.
To an extent I understand where all that viewer angst is coming from. There’s this perfect dude who was the female lead’s first love, grew up with the guy, perfect in almost every aspect, altruistic to the end and innocent of wrongdoing. On the other hand, you have this scumbag that cheated on NYO and completely took her for granted, while unable to recognize his error until it was already too late. In today’s society with more empowered women, the choice is pretty clear-cut. But it’s not just about a black-and-white who’s done more wrong than who, or who’s a better candidate for lifetime partnerships. As the two meddling mystical characters keep saying (I fucking hated these two too, but you can’t really complain too much about plot devices.), it’s not fate that decides the future, it’s the choices you make that have the most impact.
Overall, I’m of the opinion that the entire premise at the outset of the show was inherently flawed. It starts out as a light rocom fit for teenage girls/guys - all the while with a much deeper, hard to grasp message in the minds of the writers. Suddenly, the fun ends as it grows up into a melodrama targeted at middle-aged women and completely alienates its original audience. It’s unfortunate because I really liked the themes that it tried to portray at the end – fate is both a pervasive obstacle in life and something to be molded at the same time. The first like 8-ish episodes were seriously a struggle to power through though. Guess that generation gap is a serious obstacle as well.
I really enjoyed reading that Andy, It wasn't the best drama but it was somewhat enjoyable.
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