EPTI actually really liked the episode, except near the end. I fucking hate time traveling plots. Flashbacks are one thing, but when he's directly influencing the past, nah.
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sung_moon
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
I have extremely mixed feelings about this episode. The ending was heartwrenching. I legitimately cried, but on the other hand, I really don't like what it implies for the rest of the story. It seems they really are going with the time paradox thing, which is ehhhhh. I hope GRRM doesn't do this in the books. It's very hard to justify it, unless time in GoT is later proved to be non-linear. Oh and yeah, the CotF > Others reveal makes sense, but still surprised me. It certainly should unveil some interesting back story, if they do it right. It's also one of the things that we will most certainly see in the books, it just makes too much sense. The rest of the episode was decent. I did not like the Kingsmoot at all. No Dragonhorn? And Euron as a whole is really underwhelming. He just looks and acts like your average Ironborn. Not a fan. Oh and one last thing I disliked: kinslaying has become such a small deal in the show. Euron admits to killing his brother, no biggie. | ||
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SpiZe
Canada3640 Posts
RIP Walder / Wylas , you held the door. Godamn what an episode though, holy shit, so much goddamn information. We are so close to having the backstory on the Others, only missing thing is why they turned on the CotF and what do they want now  | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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Arya's scenes were best today i think, Meeren as well. Not a fan of "hold the door" tbh, i hope the books don't go that route. Time travel? It really depends, not a big fan but not against it 100% either. Is it just me or did the actor of Littlefinger play that scene really badly? The Kingsmoot was underwhelming, a few dick jokes here and there (like two or three) and the Ironborn are his? Yeah dunno about that, the actor also is no good Euron imo. Well i hope TWOW will be out sooner rather than later, i simply cannot take the show seriously anymore as a whole -.- | ||
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Greenstripe
United States164 Posts
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
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SpiZe
Canada3640 Posts
On May 23 2016 11:16 Kznn wrote: So... GRRM confirmed that hold the door is cannon in the books as well. fuck. Where ? | ||
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
Was the scene with the children stabbing the guy a different vision from the white hared woman killing the man with a sickle? | ||
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jxx
Brazil307 Posts
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
 . What a great episode, this season is fantastic | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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Titan107
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Side Note: Theon Greyjoy's actor is absolutely amazing. | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On May 23 2016 11:34 jxx wrote: So Summer died for nothing in the show, I hope he doesn't in the books though... Yeah that actually made me raise my eyebrows significantly. Summer's death seemed so very pointless. He kills what, one wight? Then jumps into a whole group of them and dies instantly. Goes from badass direwolf to whimpering dog in a matter of seconds. The worst part is he didn't even make a dent. Just instantly died without taking out any more wights. Literally served no purpose. But on the other hand, the role of the direwolves really isn't that huge in the show. In the books, there's tons of symbolism tied around them and we see them a whole lot more, so I'm inclined to believe their deaths will not be so anticlimactic. | ||
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
fucking episode was off the chain. What in the fuck was this. Hodor got his name through time travel?? Summer is dead?? I was reeeeally surprised at the "children are actually evil" reveal. It's too bad it was contradicted by them heroically sacrificing themselves to fight the Others later. Missed an opportunity for a great twist which I think is still gonna be present in the books to an extent. Either way its still established in the show now: children of the forest are a bit fucked up sudden close up of a dick out of nowhere was jarring they're gonna make Jorah survive somehow which seems unnecessary and they'll fuck it up guaranteed the extended theatre segment was cool imo, and the version of history presented in it might have significance later. Kingsmoot was mostly quite good. They dropped the supernatural over/undertones of Euron but eh whatever. If nothing else the episode wasn't boring. Really nothing about it was boring. I don't expect complete consistency and perfect writing, etc from the show as long as its this entertaining. holy shit | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On May 23 2016 12:14 marttorn wrote: the acting was so so great throughout. Way better performances than usual by Sophie Turner and Emilia Clarke fucking episode was off the chain. What in the fuck was this. Hodor got his name through time travel?? Summer is dead?? I was reeeeally surprised at the "children are actually evil" reveal. It's too bad it was contradicted by them heroically sacrificing themselves to fight the Others later. Missed an opportunity for a great twist which I think is still gonna be present in the books to an extent. Either way its still established in the show now: children of the forest are a bit fucked up sudden close up of a dick out of nowhere was jarring they're gonna make Jorah survive somehow which seems unnecessary and they'll fuck it up guaranteed the extended theatre segment was cool imo, and the version of history presented in it might have significance later. Kingsmoot was mostly quite good. They dropped the supernatural over/undertones of Euron but eh whatever. If nothing else the episode wasn't boring. Really nothing about it was boring. I don't expect complete consistency and perfect writing, etc from the show as long as its this entertaining. holy shit They really rushed that part, but I did not think the CotF are evil. When you combine this particular reveal with the more fleshed out story of the books; their creating of the Others comes off as a Hail Mary pass, a desperate measure. It's well-known in the books that the First Men were the ones who broke the peace pact between them and the CotF. And that the CotF were being slaughtered all around, badly losing the war. Hence, they resorted to creating the Others, which in turn backfired horribly. It makes sense and doesn't quite picture them as evils; they just wanted to survive. | ||
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
On May 23 2016 12:27 Spaylz wrote: They really rushed that part, but I did not think the CotF are evil. When you combine this particular reveal with the more fleshed out story of the books; their creating of the Others comes off as a Hail Mary pass, a desperate measure. It's well-known in the books that the First Men were the ones who broke the peace pact between them and the CotF. And that the CotF were being slaughtered all around, badly losing the war. Hence, they resorted to creating the Others, which in turn backfired horribly. It makes sense and doesn't quite picture them as evils; they just wanted to survive. I'd think so as well, however I'm a bit more in doubt when I consider that the children are depicted as way more creepy than they were in season 4(?). They look a lot more grotesque and a lot less like friendly forest sprites. The entire scene where they created the first Other (also establishing the northern tradition for blood sacrifice to the old gods-- i believe this was what was done in the books) had a very creepy and alien vibe to it. The children weren't depicted as doing this against their wishes, as a last resort. it looked like they were pretty fine with it. it was reminiscent of something out of sci-fi, like an alien sacrifice ritual. In that scene at least, like, in a vacuum, they are clearly evil, or at least willing to wipe out humanity. But i'm willing to concede that given how they were portrayed as being good and against the Others in the ending scene, it'll be for nothing. Most likely the show finale will, unfortunately, have Bran and the children fighting totally _against_ the others. I can only hope they have some sort of other grotesque twist which makes it feel more george rr martin-esque (CotF; collective consciousness versus humans, etc., is a typical trait of his scifi stuff) | ||
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Jaaaaasper
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