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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-23 05:31:36
May 23 2016 05:31 GMT
#13701
That was...beautiful..

To think of all the "Hodor" jokes, and in the end it was a clue to the character's destiny. Mind = blown

This season is really recovering nicely.

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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15365 Posts
May 23 2016 05:35 GMT
#13702
On May 23 2016 08:29 DickMcFanny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2016 07:00 zatic wrote:
There is three "errors" in the physical world of ASOIAF as far as I know to which GRRM has admitted.

1. The wall being too high. He simply had no reference to how freaking high the wall would be. There is the story when they were touring cliffs in Ireland I believe, and someone told him hey, those cliffs are 200 feet high. And he thought, oh. I must have made the Wall too tall with 700ft ...

2. The ages of all the young characters. His initial plan was to have a 5-10 year gap in the story after a trilogy I believe, so he wrote all the children to be early twenties when the action would pick up. But he never got the gap to work which gave us 15yos being in charge all around.

3. The distances. Westeros being the size of LA makes zero sense. Think of the population! Even the Reach would be completely deserted emptiness with maybe 3,4 mio people spread over the size of half of Europe. Most of the country would be completely empty.



Not sure 3. would be such a big problem, you can't compare today's population density with historic, rural societies.

The densest in all of Europe in the 1700s was London, and even back then it had less than ten per cent of the population it has now. 3.4 million people spread across half of Europe isn't too bad.

I am not comparing to today's but to 1000AD Europe, which depending on which estimate you believe already had a population of 100 mio people.

The Roman Empire, which was smaller in land size by a loooooot commanded between 50 and 70 mio people at its greatest extent.

A few million spread over that vast a country would just never work. Well, unless there is a few populated areas and the rest is just abandonded emptiness. But then again why even make it such a big world if it's all empty.
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Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4557 Posts
May 23 2016 06:48 GMT
#13703
Trailer for next week is out. Looks like the focus will be King's Landing, which I'm pretty hyped about. There's also a little bit of Bran so we won't have to wait for 2 weeks to find out what happens to them. Hype.
plasma4
Profile Joined March 2016
123 Posts
May 23 2016 07:30 GMT
#13704
+ Show Spoiler +
So if Bran Could manipulate time this makes the Bran did everything theory even more likely as maybe he was the voices in the Mad king's head.
domane
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada1606 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-23 07:58:34
May 23 2016 07:47 GMT
#13705
Looking at old search results, it seems that some people had long figured out the meaning behind Hodor.

They just didn't know where and in what circumstances (but close enough).
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
May 23 2016 09:33 GMT
#13706
On May 23 2016 06:29 Sent. wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I hate the time altering stuff in general because it always leads to many hard questions that often have to remain unanswered. Why did the old tree-guy bring Bran to Winterfell ? Did he knew what will happen to Hodor? If he did then does it mean it's possible to see the future? Why did Bran's consciousness split in two? I mean he was controlling Hodor and watching Wylis turn into Hodor simultaneously.

I'm worried they only teased us with the ToJ mystery and it won't be revealed in this season. That would be a sick move from the writers.

It's possible he was a time-travelling future bran + Show Spoiler +
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Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
May 23 2016 09:58 GMT
#13707
That last scene was really well done, wow. Refreshing to see a decent episode again! If you think the Ironborn scenes away, that is. Euron didn't convey any power, how they all just fell for him made no sense at all. They should've chosen a different actor.
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4557 Posts
May 23 2016 10:49 GMT
#13708
The casting for Euron is quite a polarising topic, apparently
I read a lot of people saying the actor is great, and just as many people complaining about him.
I personally don't care, just a funny observation.
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2727 Posts
May 23 2016 11:05 GMT
#13709
Euron: I killed the king. Now I King!
Ironborn: Euron! Euron!

So much drowning must have affected ironborn brains.
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
May 23 2016 11:59 GMT
#13710
I was expecting this for Hodor when we saw in a previous flashback that he was talking when younger. But I only thought that it would fuck his brain, not that his name would make sense on his death scene. I don't really like that BRan can change the past.. though it makes sense that he was the one screwing Hodor since he warged him many times. Argh.. really curious how or what will happen in the book :[

The Children creating the Others makes lot of sense too... I'm starting to regret watching the show to be honest It's mixed with book spoilers and stuff that will never happen, and now I'm afraid that when I'll read the book, it won't have the same savour.

I hope Summer won't die, or at least not like this... this was so useless. :/
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9297 Posts
May 23 2016 12:09 GMT
#13711
I hope the theories about Bran influencing other characters from the past are wrong. + Show Spoiler +
Some people are saying Bran made the Mad King mad. It sounds believable but I don't want it to happen.
You're now breathing manually
bObaZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Portugal864 Posts
May 23 2016 12:13 GMT
#13712
https://ventrellaquest.com/2014/04/20/got-got/
jxx
Profile Joined April 2010
Brazil307 Posts
May 23 2016 13:39 GMT
#13713
I don't know if this was said already but now that I thought about it seems pretty obvious. In the books Moqorro saves Victarion's arm doesn't he? I think Jorah will probably just get a red priest to do the same to his arm...
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-23 13:54:38
May 23 2016 13:52 GMT
#13714
Bran isn't changing what we already know about the past though. So that's good. We already knew people heard whispers from the old gods.

I loved the Hodor scene, but the context was bad. The siege was so over the top and Hollywood dramatic + a ton of characters already sacrificed themselves for Bran (children, blood Raven, summer). Not to mention a white Walker died. I thought that cheapened the moment a bit. Something more grounded that lead up to the Hodor scene would have been way better I think.

I feel like this is the first moment I really wish I had read first before seeing.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43971 Posts
May 23 2016 13:53 GMT
#13715
On May 23 2016 20:05 haitike wrote:
Euron: I killed the king. Now I King!
Ironborn: Euron! Euron!

So much drowning must have affected ironborn brains.

The Ironborn have always respected the iron price.
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9297 Posts
May 23 2016 13:53 GMT
#13716
I don't remember it at all but wasn't Victarion just wounded in combat and not infected by greyscale?
You're now breathing manually
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
May 23 2016 13:55 GMT
#13717
On May 23 2016 22:53 Sent. wrote:
I don't remember it at all but wasn't Victarion just wounded in combat and not infected by greyscale?


Pretty sure yeah. He was wounded in a raid and the wound was getting infected or something, and Moqorro cured it. There is no cure for Greyscale.
I like words.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43971 Posts
May 23 2016 14:01 GMT
#13718
On May 23 2016 22:55 Spaylz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2016 22:53 Sent. wrote:
I don't remember it at all but wasn't Victarion just wounded in combat and not infected by greyscale?


Pretty sure yeah. He was wounded in a raid and the wound was getting infected or something, and Moqorro cured it. There is no cure for Greyscale.

There is a cure. Shireen had greyscale and Stannis went crazy trying to cure it.
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9297 Posts
May 23 2016 14:05 GMT
#13719
I think Theon's sister was merged with Victarion. I mean what else can she do with that stolen fleet?
You're now breathing manually
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-23 14:09:15
May 23 2016 14:06 GMT
#13720
It's also a little hard to buy into the CotF losing a war badly when they have magical explosive grenades. I get that they were probably outnumbered by quite a lot, but still.

On May 23 2016 23:05 Sent. wrote:
I think Theon's sister was merged with Victarion. I mean what else can she do with that stolen fleet?



She could also be the show's Aurane Waters, but that would be a little anti-climatic and probably isn't leading anywhere.

It seems liek Theon + Theon's sister will be Victarion. Any sort of plot about Victarion interacting with Dany will probably be done by Theon, but Asha will handle all of the leading.
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