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AndreWiles
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
 I wouldn't say its a perfect source of information. But it is perfect in the sense that it gives the information known to the audience. But that said, the viewers guide does say that the Hound was "left to die" rather than "did die" | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On June 15 2015 15:53 dudeman001 wrote: Post episode my friends and I were discussing everything that happened and one of my non-book reader friends pointed out how Melisandre peaced out because she felt bad about failing. But that got me thinking... Melisandre has NEVER shown weakness. She's had the most unwavering faith in the lord of light. Even when half of Stannis's army abandoned, it feels like she should have continued vouching for the lord of light and made felt Stannis confident about the coming battle. Her somber attitude makes me feel like she betrayed Stannis in some way. The only thought that came to my mind was making a false sacrifice to the red god which the god would have noticed. Any thoughts? Or am I reading too much into her? I actually thought her part was well done. There are two very plausible possibilities. 1) She was playing Stannis and realized her gig was up because she cost him everything by burning Shireen. She booked it and kept up the act at Castle Black. 2) She was so confident in her faith that she was utterly devastated when half of Stannis's army left him, and she portrayed that well when she got to Castle Black. | ||
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ETisME
12715 Posts
On June 15 2015 15:53 dudeman001 wrote: Post episode my friends and I were discussing everything that happened and one of my non-book reader friends pointed out how Melisandre peaced out because she felt bad about failing. But that got me thinking... Melisandre has NEVER shown weakness. She's had the most unwavering faith in the lord of light. Even when half of Stannis's army abandoned, it feels like she should have continued vouching for the lord of light and made felt Stannis confident about the coming battle. Her somber attitude makes me feel like she betrayed Stannis in some way. The only thought that came to my mind was making a false sacrifice to the red god which the god would have noticed. Any thoughts? Or am I reading too much into her? I am pretty sure that was the first time she felt she could be wrong. She only sees flashes of visions and she never sees the whole event. She does what she thinks would please the lord of light and enable her vision to come true. But maybe she is not seeing it correctly or doing things that weren't correct. I am sure she is still into lord of light but unable to figure out why her vision does not match with what is happening. Also damn it, how I wish they would make jon snow have a better ending  I am suspecting stannis did not die, brienne looked like she had some doubts and I don't know why they would need to do an off screen shot | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On June 15 2015 22:23 Stratos_speAr wrote: I actually thought her part was well done. There are two very plausible possibilities. 1) She was playing Stannis and realized her gig was up because she cost him everything by burning Shireen. She booked it and kept up the act at Castle Black. 2) She was so confident in her faith that she was utterly devastated when half of Stannis's army left him, and she portrayed that well when she got to Castle Black. Personally I'm digging (2). It parallels Thoros' story here very nicely. | ||
KadaverBB
Germany25658 Posts
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Koerage
Netherlands1220 Posts
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On June 15 2015 21:43 GumBa wrote: If Stannis were to fail my personal fav thing would be him and Jon to switch places. Jon returns becomes Jon Stark and does his hero shit etc and Stannis becomes the LC of the NW and brings Justice, discipline to them. Also Stannis is the perfect guy to hold a siege vs the WW being stubborn as fuck. It would also be a way for him to repent his crimes such as assasinating Renly while still being useful. Assassinating Renly wasn't a crime. Renly committed treason and was an usurper. Renly was going to kill Stannis after defeating him in battle for the same reason Stannis killed Renly. | ||
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Koerage
Netherlands1220 Posts
On June 15 2015 23:55 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Assassinating Renly wasn't a crime. Renly committed treason and was an usurper. Renly was going to kill Stannis after defeating him in battle for the same reason Stannis killed Renly. i think stannis might see shireen's death as his own fault though, and maybe he would take the black to pay for that... but that's a long shot and i personally don't see it happening | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5811 Posts
On June 15 2015 23:55 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Assassinating Renly wasn't a crime. Renly committed treason and was an usurper. Renly was going to kill Stannis after defeating him in battle for the same reason Stannis killed Renly. Which is why I am baffled by Brienne's "Renly Baratheon (...) the rightful king (...)". He was anything but a rightful king. He had no claim to the throne. | ||
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jxx
Brazil307 Posts
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On June 16 2015 00:02 jxx wrote: Sigh, I really hope George Martin releases the 6th book before the next season. agreed I dont think the internet could handle it if got went full prison break | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5811 Posts
On June 15 2015 22:30 Plexa wrote: Personally I'm digging (2). It parallels Thoros' story here very nicely. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2MGg_8TF9g&t=2m50s I am starting to lean toward the theory that R'hllor and the Great Other are one and the same thing (the order of "Valar Morghulis - Valar Dohaeris" is very telling), and that he played Melisandre. She thought she was saving mankind but her actions are actually leading to its demise. Due to her scheming Stannis, who could ensure peace among the Night's Watch and the Wildlings, is dead. The North is firmly in the hands of Boltons. And now Jon is dead and she might ressurect him only to have him side with White Walkers. | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On June 16 2015 00:01 maybenexttime wrote: Which is why I am baffled by Brienne's "Renly Baratheon (...) the rightful king (...)". He was anything but a rightful king. He had no claim to the throne. His rightful claim was his host, as was Robert's before him. It's implied Renly would've rekt King's Landing with his full army. | ||
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saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/14/game-thrones-jon-dies-interview | ||
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SpiZe
Canada3640 Posts
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On June 16 2015 00:48 saltywet wrote: apparently jon snow is not coming back? http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/14/game-thrones-jon-dies-interview Eh I wouldn't trust that. Anyway, episode felt a bit too filled with tragedy. Some spacing out of these events would have been nice. Poor Myrcella. I liked her. At least Sansa's hopefully getting away. If she gets to Castle Black I'd be happy, or maybe she'd even make it to White Harbour and we'd see some of that plot. | ||
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helpman177
56 Posts
He makes a clear statement that he's not coming back next season. If he would actually come back next season, I don't think he would straight up lie about it. He would much rather avoid to answer the question directly. However, here he clearly answers the question. He won't be there next season. | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
And I think it's pretty bad. I was right in the end, they did make her go backwards. Throughout season 4 she was finally starting to gather some strength, to be more assertive and so on. But in the end she just kind of rolls over and goes with the whims of whoever is with her. Sure, she stood up to Myranda somewhat. But she also just ran away. She didn't try to play the game. She was just trying to flee. The worst thing is that I don't even blame Sansa for that. I blame the situation in which she was written. Ramsay is not someone with whom you can play the game. He is far too ruthless and random. Roose would be more adequate in that situation, but he is light years ahead of Sansa. Anyway... Overall, I can personally say I'm very unsatisfied with the conclusion to Sansa's story for this season. Didn't D&D say Sansa would play the game and impress everyone this season? I mean, come to think of it, what was even the point of her entire arc? Only two things changed: she got raped, and Theon escaped along with her. The entirity of Littlefinger's so called plan collapsed when she jumped over the wall. And that was the whole premise. So yeah, as far as I'm concerned, when you really look at it, Sansa's storyline is one terrible mess with little to no substance. | ||
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Koerage
Netherlands1220 Posts
On June 16 2015 01:05 helpman177 wrote: "But I’ve been told I’m dead. I’m dead. I’m not coming back next season." He makes a clear statement that he's not coming back next season. If he would actually come back next season, I don't think he would straight up lie about it. He would much rather avoid to answer the question directly. However, here he clearly answers the question. He won't be there next season. yet if he avoids the question everyone is going to say "oh he doesn't wanna answer it he'll come back for sure" they might just not have told him and he assumes he is dead for good, or he's just, you know, ACTING like he doesn't know/knows he doesn't come back when he will | ||
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