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[TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion - Page 646
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Hyperbola
United States2553 Posts
All you had to do was stay in the damn castle. | ||
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
On June 15 2015 14:50 KadaverBB wrote: Probably yes, we have some time to think about it :D Are they ready to deal with all the book fans crazy theories ? :p | ||
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helpman177
56 Posts
His storyline is now completely different from the books. Also, I wonder if Tyrion will play any role in Meereen in the books since he and Danys haven't even met yet. The poisoning of Myrcella was excellent and caught me completely off guard. Is it enough to forgive the beyond awful Dorne storyline of this season? Maybe. I have to think about it. | ||
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dudeman001
United States2412 Posts
But that got me thinking... Melisandre has NEVER shown weakness. She's had the most unwavering faith in the lord of light. Even when half of Stannis's army abandoned, it feels like she should have continued vouching for the lord of light and made felt Stannis confident about the coming battle. Her somber attitude makes me feel like she betrayed Stannis in some way. The only thought that came to my mind was making a false sacrifice to the red god which the god would have noticed. Any thoughts? Or am I reading too much into her? | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4557 Posts
(At work and haven't had a chance to watch yet xD) | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
im just saying ;;. Varys and Tyrion ruling Mereen is cool tho, hopefully leads to many more good times with the two. | ||
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AndreWiles
36 Posts
On June 15 2015 15:57 Laurens wrote: So Varys doesn't kill Kevan in the show? (At work and haven't had a chance to watch yet xD) I think littlefinger will kill kevan and pycelle instead next season | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13996 Posts
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
Some seriously cringy stuff though. The Sand Snake's line..., what was it? "You want the good girl but you need the bad pussy"? Jeez I facepalmed super hard at that one. That was so bad. Everything in Dorne was bad. And pointless. The entire arc. From Jaime and Bronn going to Dorne, to them just waltzing in the Water Gardens and having a terribly choreographed fight scene with the Sand Snakes. And to them getting away with it, bringing Myrcella AND Trystane (I still don't know why he's going?)... only to have Myrcella die. It seems to me that they could have easily killed her during that awful fight scene. Oh well. Stannis' so called death. For a moment there, I thought Ramsay was going to be the one to kill him. That would have been beyond infuriating, but thankfully it didn't happen. Still though. I don't think Brienne killed him, but a good chunk of Stannis' arc feels very pointless. Everything was so rushed. They also pulled another Fist of the First Men, and basically showed a black screen with the sound of ringing steel for the battle. I really hope they don't do that anymore. I understand budget is a concern, but I would rather have two moderately satisfying battle over one good one, and a non-existent one. Dany's story and the whole thing in Meereen was alright. Nothing much to say about it, they handled it well. Didn't quite feel like Daario to be so... responsible, but still. I think this was good. King's Landing. Cersei's scene was overdrawn a bit, me thinks. It was a tad too long. After 2 minutes or so, it gets the point across. No need for more. I'd need to rewatch to see just how long the scene was, but that felt like 5 minutes or so. Too long, imo. Arya's killing of Meryn Trant was damn brutal. Loved it. Good scenes for her too. Although the shot of her ripping off the multiple faces of whoever just killed themself was a bit cheap on the visual effects. Theon and Sansa's jump was a bit ridiculous. They do jump over the wall in the books too, don't they? So I guess it's not that far-fetched. I think I recall that they jump and the thick layer of snow allows them to survive with some bruises. And Jon. That was okay. I was NOT expecting Thorne to stab him. As hateful as he is, I would think that Thorne is far too loyal to the Watch to actually kill his Lord Commander. To me, this was out of character for book-Thorne, but maybe not for show-Thorne? And finally, yeah. Melisandre showing up at the Wall (with some Littlefingeresque travelling speed at that) pretty much means she is going to resurrect Jon somehow. Curious to see what happens with Davos though. And Stannis for that matter. I don't think he's dead, but he may as well be. The man has literally nothing left. | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
Oh, how to get Dany arc moving forward. Drogon appears, all the dothraki bow down to Dany, she gains a khalasar. Uses the khalasar to forage and scout for her horde of unsullied and freed men on their march to west, gets close to Westeros, bullies a fleet of ships from one of the free cities to take her over. A khalasar, massive foot army and a somewhat grown dragon ought to be scary enough. Land in Dorne, start a glorious war against Littlefinger who has finally schemed the lands for himself, beating Ramsay in a game of dice for the north. | ||
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Grovbolle
Denmark3813 Posts
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
this episode fucked me up. As soon as Olly went "OMg! Come see it's Benjen!" I realized it was a trap. Considering the fact that, if the hints given in the books (and a few in the show? R+L=J at least is hinted at) are true, Jon Snow has a very important role and is basically the embodiment of Ice and Fire, I think its likely that he'll be brought back in both the books and the show. That interview makes me less hopeful, but I still think it's probable he'll be back. Jon's point of view is just too important to lose, even in the show where they've made a lot of changes. The way they portrayed it makes it more likely that he'll be ressed, imo - it's like a PoV chapter. Robb Stark's death was essentially shown from Catelyn's PoV, in the show - the confirmation of his (and Grey Wind's) death(s) were shown from Arya's PoV. Arya killing Meryn was hugely satisfying. His death was very brutal, too, which he deserved, entirely. Nice of them to show him beating the shit out of little girls though, just in case we were unsure. I was rooting for Stannis. So that made me really sad. It seemed clear he didn't have a chance as soon as Melisandre abandoned him. What I hope is that this doesn't spoil the books, though it seems quite likely that it does, actually. Stannis gets killed and Mel switches to Team Jon. Myrcella's death/poisoning caught me off guard, actually, though I should have expected it. So unless Doran was somehow in on it, that'll be the Sand Snakes' last chance and they're dead. Good, because they were awful in the show. Unless they do a coup d'etat or something, whatever. I was kind of expecting to see Tommen, and maybe even have Tommen die. Was also hoping for Varys epilogue, tho it became clear that wouldn't happen when he turned up in Meereen. Cersei's walk was horribly, horribly long. I was curious as to how much they were gonna show of it; everything, it turns out. The shouting and cursing, plus dicks, were quite powerful. Good scene overall, though I'd preferred if they'd had the finale be just like 10 minutes longer, and use that to show maybe Melisandre seeing that Jon's dead, or what happens to Sansa/Theon. They just showed them jump over the wall, not where they were going after that - Castle Black isn't really a good option anymore, but they don't know that. Last thing - is Jaime actually unaware that Cersei is imprisoned? This seems unlikely. I'm sure it's harder to communicate messages to Dorne than to the Riverlands (like in the books), but nevertheless, it seems strange that he wouldn't find out. I don't think Doran would keep it from him, though I'm sure the Sand Snakes would. Now, I think what might happen is this: Sansa joins up with the Brotherhood and becomes Lady Stoneheart. She's got the hood on, we see her walk around ominously with it, and she's obviously not very fond of the Lannisters, Boltons, or pretty much anyone else. If she learns about the extent of Littlefinger's betrayal towards the Starks, she might even fulfill my personal dream and kill Littlefinger. Theon goes with her, I'd guess. With that setup, they can pretty much just steer themselves back to the books, with Jaime and Brienne's storyline. Brienne gets captured by Lady Sansaheart, almost killed, lures Jaime into a trap, Jaime either dies or joins the brotherhood and forsakes Cersei. For Jaime's betrayal to make sense, he'll have to be spurned by Cersei when he arrives back at King's Landing - which also makes sense, because she'll obviously blame him for Myrcella's death. edit: Enjoying the despair of the show-watchers who think Arya is blind, permanently. | ||
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StalkerFang
Australia68 Posts
On June 15 2015 19:26 marttorn wrote: + Show Spoiler [rambling on episode in general] + this episode fucked me up. As soon as Olly went "OMg! Come see it's Benjen!" I realized it was a trap. Considering the fact that, if the hints given in the books (and a few in the show? R+L=J at least is hinted at) are true, Jon Snow has a very important role and is basically the embodiment of Ice and Fire, I think its likely that he'll be brought back in both the books and the show. That interview makes me less hopeful, but I still think it's probable he'll be back. Jon's point of view is just too important to lose, even in the show where they've made a lot of changes. The way they portrayed it makes it more likely that he'll be ressed, imo - it's like a PoV chapter. Robb Stark's death was essentially shown from Catelyn's PoV, in the show - the confirmation of his (and Grey Wind's) death(s) were shown from Arya's PoV. Arya killing Meryn was hugely satisfying. His death was very brutal, too, which he deserved, entirely. Nice of them to show him beating the shit out of little girls though, just in case we were unsure. I was rooting for Stannis. So that made me really sad. It seemed clear he didn't have a chance as soon as Melisandre abandoned him. What I hope is that this doesn't spoil the books, though it seems quite likely that it does, actually. Stannis gets killed and Mel switches to Team Jon. Myrcella's death/poisoning caught me off guard, actually, though I should have expected it. So unless Doran was somehow in on it, that'll be the Sand Snakes' last chance and they're dead. Good, because they were awful in the show. Unless they do a coup d'etat or something, whatever. I was kind of expecting to see Tommen, and maybe even have Tommen die. Was also hoping for Varys epilogue, tho it became clear that wouldn't happen when he turned up in Meereen. Cersei's walk was horribly, horribly long. I was curious as to how much they were gonna show of it; everything, it turns out. The shouting and cursing, plus dicks, were quite powerful. Good scene overall, though I'd preferred if they'd had the finale be just like 10 minutes longer, and use that to show maybe Melisandre seeing that Jon's dead, or what happens to Sansa/Theon. They just showed them jump over the wall, not where they were going after that - Castle Black isn't really a good option anymore, but they don't know that. Last thing - is Jaime actually unaware that Cersei is imprisoned? This seems unlikely. I'm sure it's harder to communicate messages to Dorne than to the Riverlands (like in the books), but nevertheless, it seems strange that he wouldn't find out. I don't think Doran would keep it from him, though I'm sure the Sand Snakes would. Now, I think what might happen is this: Sansa joins up with the Brotherhood and becomes Lady Stoneheart. She's got the hood on, we see her walk around ominously with it, and she's obviously not very fond of the Lannisters, Boltons, or pretty much anyone else. If she learns about the extent of Littlefinger's betrayal towards the Starks, she might even fulfill my personal dream and kill Littlefinger. Theon goes with her, I'd guess. With that setup, they can pretty much just steer themselves back to the books, with Jaime and Brienne's storyline. Brienne gets captured by Lady Sansaheart, almost killed, lures Jaime into a trap, Jaime either dies or joins the brotherhood and forsakes Cersei. For Jaime's betrayal to make sense, he'll have to be spurned by Cersei when he arrives back at King's Landing - which also makes sense, because she'll obviously blame him for Myrcella's death. edit: Enjoying the despair of the show-watchers who think Arya is blind, permanently. That theory about sansa becoming lady stoneheart is pretty interesting, hadn't considered that. Seems a liitttllee bit far fetched though, guess we'll have to wait 9 months to find out  | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Would be quite the redemption arc, but I'm personally not buying it. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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SwARmZzz
Canada193 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
On June 15 2015 21:46 Plexa wrote: Stannis being "the greatest [living] strategist" would also be pretty invaluable vs the WWs. Yeah the more I think about it the more I like it. He gets a punishment kinda but is also still badass. He would turn the NW into a real fighting force. | ||
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