EPTWhat matters is who supports him and how many men they can muster. Even his Night's Watch vow was more important than being a bastard, and it is believed that his death and rebirth may Martin's way to get around it.
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SKC
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What matters is who supports him and how many men they can muster. Even his Night's Watch vow was more important than being a bastard, and it is believed that his death and rebirth may Martin's way to get around it. | ||
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marttorn
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two, that a certain character we know of has the ability to look through weirwoods and see the past. Having Bran flashback to see the marriage of Lyanna/Rhaegar would be a great and likely way to 'spill the beans' on R+L=J in a more straightforward way. I don't know if there is anyone else who could be used to see direct evidence of R+L=J, except good old High Septon Reed, and I think HS=HR is far less likely than Bran seeing through weirwoods and discovering R+L marrying. | ||
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SpiZe
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Benjen confirmed to have been ressurected by Mel and to be the one true Azor Ahai, and will FTW Jon for usurping his title. Such is the life for D&D | ||
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SKC
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marttorn
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On June 14 2015 08:36 SKC wrote: Reed could still appear without being the high septon Yeah I was gonna say, tho it's unclear who would be concerned enough to seek him out, or why he would suddenly take concern enough to leave Greywater, where he's been holed up for many many years, to tell someone. There could be a few reasons, but Bran still seems way more likely edit: O hey, I should know this but, is it possible Benjen knows anything about Jon's parentage? | ||
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SKC
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SpiZe
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I mean it's possible, but I really wonder as to why Ned would tell him : "yo by the way this bastard isnt mine imao" "wtf u on about bro, u mean u found the kid or wat" "nah man, it's lyanna and rhaegar's son, sis asked me to hide him from bobby b" "wtf man fuck dis aint staying here with some targaryen im going to the wall" But again i could be completely ignorant and Ned has a reason of some sort but I don't think that's the case. Despite the weird Benjen appereance in the trailer...I think he's still dead. We'll see. EDIT : It's not stated as to why Benjen joined the NW | ||
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Serejai
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helpman176
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They make love all day long. Daenerys abandons plans about anything. It's time to have a family. | ||
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aRyuujin
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Geo.Rion
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On June 14 2015 07:28 Irrelevant Label wrote: It is more likely than not that Jon is not a Bastard, because Rhaegar and Lyanna were married. Otherwise the setup at the Tower of Joy makes no sense. They wouldn't have kingsguard, and a lot of it, guarding a concubine pregnant with a bastard. It doesn't even take invocation of 'dragons are above the laws of gods and men' for Rhaegar to rationalize it either. Elia was for all intents and purposes barren and hadn't yet produced enough children. (critically the customary preferred minimum of 2 sons) Just LOL, how the hell is having 2 children, a boy and a girl, in the span of like few years cosnidered "barren". No, barren means unable to give birth, not "well, pretty good, but a breed-sow would have done better, so i guess u are barren" | ||
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Koerage
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On June 14 2015 15:21 Geo.Rion wrote: Just LOL, how the hell is having 2 children, a boy and a girl, in the span of like few years cosnidered "barren". No, barren means unable to give birth, not "well, pretty good, but a breed-sow would have done better, so i guess u are barren" it's in the books, the 2nd childbirth almost killed Elia and they assumed she'd never survive another child | ||
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Cricketer12
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On June 14 2015 17:35 Koerage wrote: it's in the books, the 2nd childbirth almost killed Elia and they assumed she'd never survive another child That doesnt mean she was barren She was always referred to as "sickly" | ||
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Koerage
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On June 14 2015 18:04 Cricketer12 wrote: That doesnt mean she was barren She was always referred to as "sickly" yea but if she'd die with another childbirth i don't think she'd be considered a valid option for more kids either as in, i know she's not barren but she can't have kids anymore because she'd die if she had them - so if Rhaegar wanted more kids he would have to find a different woman as for her being unable to give birth to more kids, from the wiki: Jon Connington once stated that Elia was bedridden for half a year after giving birth to Rhaenys and nearly died giving birth to Aegon, after which the maesters told Rhaegar she would be unable to have any more children. | ||
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VaultD
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On June 14 2015 09:04 SKC wrote: I'm sure it's not impossible. I don't think they even talk about why he took the black. I've always been under the assumption that it was a simple matter. After the rebellion Ned inherited the house, and after a few years had children so Benjen was no longer the heir apparent. So Benjen could do the traditional northern thing and take the black without anything special. Since taking the black in the north was considered more or less the norm for members no longer in the line of succession, not too unlike old Mormont passing the house down to Jorah by taking the black. There might even have been some sort of tradition of younger Starks taking the black, but I can't recall for sure. | ||
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Koerage
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On June 14 2015 19:26 VaultD wrote: I've always been under the assumption that it was a simple matter. After the rebellion Ned inherited the house, and after a few years had children so Benjen was no longer the heir apparent. So Benjen could do the traditional northern thing and take the black without anything special. Since taking the black in the north was considered more or less the norm for members no longer in the line of succession, not too unlike old Mormont passing the house down to Jorah by taking the black. There might even have been some sort of tradition of younger Starks taking the black, but I can't recall for sure. sounds reasonable, and the Starks have always been on good terms with the Watch, quite a few of the Lord Commanders have been (bastard) Starks | ||
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Emon_
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On June 14 2015 08:36 SpiZe wrote: + Show Spoiler + Benjen confirmed to have been ressurected by Mel and to be the one true Azor Ahai, and will FTW Jon for usurping his title. Such is the life for D&D Melisandre returns to the wall? Get a grip | ||
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SpiZe
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She used the power of time travelling Mirri Maz Dur to go back to a time when she was there to perform the deed, do you even tin foil mate ? | ||
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Emon_
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On June 14 2015 22:01 SpiZe wrote: She used the power of time travelling Mirri Maz Dur to go back to a time when she was there to perform the deed, do you even tin foil mate ? Sorry, I've been writing my fanfic about Xaro Xohan Xaxos leaving Qarth to wed one of Lord Freys daughters | ||
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