EPTA bastard (both blade and wielders) Targ Valyrian Steel sword. So fitting.
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
A bastard (both blade and wielders) Targ Valyrian Steel sword. So fitting. | ||
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
Dark Sister is called "longsword" at one point in WoIAF. p35 GRRM follows the path of longsword=arming sword, so there it is. My screw up on forgetting that piece of the nomenclature. Accidental find/note while looking around: If depictions provided in WoIAF and on Valyrian Steel are to be trusted (they are all sourced to GRRMs "detailed descriptions"...) then Longclaw is very different from Blackfyre. Blackfyre is built like a small greatsword. The blade is massively thick. Longclaw is narrow. (Obligatory: so...women's size.) | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On June 13 2015 11:22 Irrelevant Label wrote: Obligatory: Swords come in women's sizing? C'mon George... Why wouldnt they? I think it's safe to assume, that Valyrian steel swords werent mass produced, the few that remained scattered in the realm are fairly different. And Dark Sister was Vysenia's sword, so i think it s safe to assume it was custom made for her. "Dark Sister was wielded by at least one woman during its history and may have been forged for a woman warrior originally as its slender blade is designed for a woman's hand." | ||
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AndreWiles
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CCa1ss1e
Canada3231 Posts
On June 13 2015 23:30 AndreWiles wrote: These 'conspiracy theories' are highly irrational and superficial to plot development. They detract from the story imo, who really cares if john snow is a targ? Maybe Ned Stark banged a tavern girl, no human being is a saint. The best stories don't rely on dumb conspiracies but on looking at the human condition, like some sort of psychologist. Game of thrones has done well in this respect compared to other fantasy series. It's just interesting because if Jon Snow turns out to be a Targaryen then he becomes an heir to both the North (being legitmized by Robb) and the south. This makes his truly a Song of Ice and Fire. Also, Eddard being as honourable as he is, it doesn't make sense that he foreswore his vows, even IF he only had the one night with Catelyn before he rode to war. It makes more sense that Lyanna's dying words of 'promise me Ned' refers to the proper parentage of Jon Snow. Possibly because Rhaegar did not, in fact, kidnap her and that they fell in love and rode off together. The former being a lie to tarnish the Targaryens further. I like some of the theories though. It's fun seeing what other fans think about a fiction series still in progress. Oh and also, since Howland Reed was the only one to survive the battle at the Tower of Joy, it plays into the other theory about the new High Septon being Howland Reed. That way, with the Faith Militant he can slowly ready the south for the proper heir, knowing about Jon's parentage. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2554 Posts
What we should have instead are pikes, glaives and halbreds out of valyrian steel. Those will actually be able to hit enemies, bring down horses and kill people with armor. And since they're so light, your can swing them much more effectively and get a lot more force out of your attack. | ||
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Bigtony
United States1606 Posts
On June 14 2015 00:40 CCa1ss1e wrote: It's just interesting because if Jon Snow turns out to be a Targaryen then he becomes an heir to both the North (being legitmized by Robb) and the south. This makes his truly a Song of Ice and Fire. Also, Eddard being as honourable as he is, it doesn't make sense that he foreswore his vows, even IF he only had the one night with Catelyn before he rode to war. It makes more sense that Lyanna's dying words of 'promise me Ned' refers to the proper parentage of Jon Snow. Possibly because Rhaegar did not, in fact, kidnap her and that they fell in love and rode off together. The former being a lie to tarnish the Targaryens further. I like some of the theories though. It's fun seeing what other fans think about a fiction series still in progress. Oh and also, since Howland Reed was the only one to survive the battle at the Tower of Joy, it plays into the other theory about the new High Septon being Howland Reed. That way, with the Faith Militant he can slowly ready the south for the proper heir, knowing about Jon's parentage. Just pointing out that if R+L=J is true, Jon does not need Robb to legitimize him. He is already a legitimate son of Rhaegar and a potential heir to the north through Lyanna (thought his claim should be second to the claims of Bran and Rickon as the son of a daughter rather than a son of a son). | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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the "previously on" segment of episode 10 has been released and apparently Benjen is a big topic in it, people specualte he might come back in some form, HYPE | ||
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
On June 14 2015 05:59 The_Red_Viper wrote: + Show Spoiler [for episode 10] + the "previously on" segment of episode 10 has been released and apparently Benjen is a big topic in it, people specualte he might come back in some form, HYPE + Show Spoiler + Now that would be something unexpected. Especially for a finale, doing something with Benjen would be interesting, though if he does return that might compromise the amount of time left over for a possible winterfell battle, tho maybe that wasn't going to happen in the finale anyway. Actually, that's got me very curious - how could they possibly bring Benjen back in a way thats relevant to what's going on in the show atm - I'm assuming he'd appear at the wall? | ||
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Koerage
Netherlands1220 Posts
On June 14 2015 05:59 The_Red_Viper wrote: + Show Spoiler [for episode 10] + the "previously on" segment of episode 10 has been released and apparently Benjen is a big topic in it, people specualte he might come back in some form, HYPE + Show Spoiler + it could be something he said to Jon at some point, but i do not recall any of his scenes being a big talk to Jon and i haven't seen the "previously on" so yeah  i'll just wait till i can watch it, not that much longer anyway! | ||
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Sholip
Hungary422 Posts
On June 14 2015 05:59 The_Red_Viper wrote: + Show Spoiler [for episode 10] + the "previously on" segment of episode 10 has been released and apparently Benjen is a big topic in it, people specualte he might come back in some form, HYPE + Show Spoiler + Do you know where it can be watched? Also, it would further complicate an episode so stacked to begin with... I'm guessing he has to reemerge at the Wall, but why? How? Does he just come out of the forest like "Sup, I'm back, let me in"? This can be the greatest of book spoilers of the season. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9299 Posts
On June 14 2015 05:43 Bigtony wrote: He is already a legitimate son of Rhaegar and a potential heir to the north through Lyanna How is he legitimate? They didn't marry | ||
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Koerage
Netherlands1220 Posts
not that we know about I mean, Rob married overnight too and iirc R&L had been gone for months, so who knows.. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2554 Posts
On June 14 2015 06:39 Sholip wrote: + Show Spoiler + Do you know where it can be watched? Also, it would further complicate an episode so stacked to begin with... I'm guessing he has to reemerge at the Wall, but why? How? Does he just come out of the forest like "Sup, I'm back, let me in"? This can be the greatest of book spoilers of the season. + Show Spoiler + Here. I think it was the sacrifice in the last episode which brought him back. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9299 Posts
On June 14 2015 07:00 Koerage wrote: not that we know about I mean, Rob married overnight too and iirc R&L had been gone for months, so who knows.. Rhaegar was married to Elia Martell so it wasn't possible for him to marry Lyanna | ||
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Koerage
Netherlands1220 Posts
On June 14 2015 07:05 Sent. wrote: Rhaegar was married to Elia Martell so it wasn't possible for him to marry Lyanna don't see why he couldn't marry while being married, Targs did alot of weird things, why not marry more than one woman? | ||
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Mikau
Netherlands1446 Posts
On June 14 2015 07:05 Sent. wrote: Rhaegar was married to Elia Martell so it wasn't possible for him to marry Lyanna Pretty sure they adress this in the R+L=J theory. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18291 Posts
On June 14 2015 07:09 Koerage wrote: don't see why he couldn't marry while being married, Targs did alot of weird things, why not marry more than one woman? Well, fairly certain that monogamy is a thing in the religion of the Seven (and the Old Gods too), so why would anybody accept that second marriage as legitimate? | ||
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
It doesn't even take invocation of 'dragons are above the laws of gods and men' for Rhaegar to rationalize it either. Elia was for all intents and purposes barren and hadn't yet produced enough children. (critically the customary preferred minimum of 2 sons) | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18291 Posts
On June 14 2015 07:28 Irrelevant Label wrote: It is more likely than not that Jon is not a Bastard, because Rhaegar and Lyanna were married. Otherwise the setup at the Tower of Joy makes no sense. They wouldn't have kingsguard, and a lot of it, guarding a concubine pregnant with a bastard. Meh, I am not convinced. If Rhaegar ordered members of the Kingsguard to guard a mistress and an unborn bastard, they have orders. The only one who could countermand such orders is Aerys, who presumably didn't. EDIT: I don´t doubt that Rhaegar could legitimize his bastard son, and that that was his actual plan and why he set the Kingsguard to guard the tower. However, he couldn't remarry given what we know of Westerosi customs without Elia actually dying. | ||
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